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[RogersResults]

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1. What is the highest quarter time score where the scores were tied?

55 pts. North Melbourne v Melbourne round 5 1991

2. What is the highest half time score where the scores were tied?

72 pts. Collingwood v Hawthorn round 14 1970
72 pts. Collingwood v St Kilda round 3 1981

3. What is the highest three quarter time score where the scores were tied?
102 pts. Hawthorn v West Coast round 12 1998

4. What is the highest final score where the scores were tied?
132 pts. Carlton v Essendon round 2 1993

5. What is the highest quarter time score where the margin was 1 point?
47 pts. Essendon v Geelong round 9 1992

6. What is the highest half time score where the margin was 1 point?
89 pts. Fitzroy v Richmond round 1 1977

7. What is the highest three quarter time score where the margin was 1 point?
114 pts.Carlton v Essendon round 3 2008
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8. What is the highest final score where the margin was 1 point?
148 pts. Fizroy v Nth. Melbourne round 22 1991

Top 5 in each category on its way

 

[red+black]

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Trying to locate Ron's post re semi-final crowds.

This weekend we had just 45,056 + 39,596 = 84,652

While tonight's game was very interesting, I don't quite know what to think about the semi-final weekend. It's the least interesting week in the finals, and usually doesn't achieve much. Maybe with the restructuring of the finals in 2012, the 2nd weekend might be more interesting.

 

[RogersResults]

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1. What is the highest quarter time score where the scores were tied?

55 pts. North Melbourne v Melbourne round 5 1991

2. What is the highest half time score where the scores were tied?

72 pts. Collingwood v Hawthorn round 14 1970
72 pts. Collingwood v St Kilda round 3 1981

3. What is the highest three quarter time score where the scores were tied?
102 pts. Hawthorn v West Coast round 12 1998

4. What is the highest final score where the scores were tied?
132 pts. Carlton v Essendon round 2 1993

5. What is the highest quarter time score where the margin was 1 point?
47 pts. Essendon v Geelong round 9 1992

6. What is the highest half time score where the margin was 1 point?
89 pts. Fitzroy v Richmond round 1 1977

7. What is the highest three quarter time score where the margin was 1 point?
114 pts.Carlton v Essendon round 3 2008
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8. What is the highest final score where the margin was 1 point?
148 pts. Fizroy v Nth. Melbourne round 22 1991

Top 5 in each category

 

[winty]

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3

Brisbane 2000
Melbourne 1994
North Melbourne 1993
Hawthorn 1984
Hawthorn 1977
Richmond 1972
Richmond 1971
Collingwood 1938
South Melbourne 1935
Melbourne 1926

Cheers. Geelong is 6 Gazza goals, and 2 goals from Pods away from equalling that. Might need to win this week to have a chance of it though.

 

[SJ]

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Anyone got the average free kicks per game in the home and away season versus the finals so far?

And perhaps the same from past seasons?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Anyone got the average free kicks per game in the home and away season versus the finals so far?

And perhaps the same from past seasons?

Year .H&A Fnls
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1998 36.6 37.7
1999 37.6 41.3
2000 36.0 32.4
2001 34.0 35.7
2002 30.1 27.4
2003 30.4 30.7
2004 29.6 31.8
2005 34.6 31.7
2006 33.0 39.6
2007 37.5 42.4
2008 40.2 45.6
2009 35.8 34.6
2010 38.8 35.8

 

[wceblog]

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Does anyone know what the 'playmaker' stat on pro-stats indicates?

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?team_id=0&yr=2010&sp=SE&rt=LT&fc=E14

I presume it relates to instigating a scoring chain?

EDIT:

Got a response from pro-stats

Playmaker is the first player who has first disposal in a chain that results
in a score - from a stoppage, turnover or kickin.

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Mick Malthouse coached his first Brownlow Medallist (Brad Hardie) in 1985. He coached his second (Nathan Buckley) in 2003.

If Dane Swan wins on Monday night (as many expect him to), it will a 25 year gap between first and last Brownlow Medallists coached.

Is this a record?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Mick Malthouse coached his first Brownlow Medallist (Brad Hardie) in 1985. He coached his second (Nathan Buckley) in 2003.

If Dane Swan wins on Monday night (as many expect him to), it will a 25 year gap between first and last Brownlow Medallists coached.

Is this a record?

Coaches of multiple Brownlow winners, number of Brownlows, number of individual winners, number of individual clubs, first, last & gap between first & last:

Coach          Club(s)        B I C Frst Last Gp
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Allan Jeans    St,Ha,Ri       5 4 2 1965 1987 22
Ron Barassi    Me,Ca,NM,Me,Sy 6 5 3 1973 1995 22
Norm Smith     Fi,Me,Sy       2 2 2 1950 1970 20
Mick Malthouse WB,WC,Co       2 2 2 1985 2003 18
Tom Hafey      Ri,Co,Ge,Sy    4 4 3 1971 1988 17
Frank Hughes   Ri,Me          2 2 2 1930 1946 16
Jock McHale    Co             5 5 1 1927 1940 13
Alan Killigrew St,NM          3 3 2 1957 1965  8
Bill Stephen   Fi,Es,Fi       2 2 2 1969 1976  7
John Northey   Sy,Me,Ri,Br    2 2 2 1991 1996  5
Jack Dyer      Ri             2 2 1 1948 1952  4
Ian Stewart    Sy,Ca,Sy       2 2 1 1977 1981  4
Jack Baggott   Es,Sy          3 2 2 1937 1940  3
Ken Hands      Ca             2 2 1 1961 1964  3
Kevin Sheedy   Es             2 2 1 1993 1996  3
Paul Roos      Sy             2 1 1 2003 2006  3
Terry Wheeler  WB             2 2 1 1990 1992  2
Mark Thompson  Ge             2 2 1 2007 2009  2
Frank Maher    Es,Fi,Ca       2 2 1 1932 1933  1
Dick Reynolds  Es             2 1 1 1952 1953  1
Leigh Matthews Co,Br          2 2 1 2001 2002  1
John Worsfold  WC             2 2 1 2004 2005  1

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Cheers Ron.

Should Jeans be equal with Barassi seems how Platten won in 1987?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Cheers Ron.

Should Jeans be equal with Barassi seems how Platten won in 1987?

Yep, typo.

Winners of most Brownlows coached at any point - total Brownlows won, individual winners, won prior to playing under coach, won during coach's reign, won after coach finished at that club, first, last & gap:

Coach           Club(s)         T  I P D A Frst Last Gp
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Ron Barassi     Me,Ca,NM,Me,Sy 13 11 6 6 1 1964 1995 31
Malcolm Blight  NM,Ge,Ad,St     8  7 4 1 3 1973 2003 30
Tom Hafey       Ri,Co,Ge,Sy    11  7 3 4 4 1965 1994 29
Allan Jeans     St,Ha,Ri        8  6 2 5 1 1958 1987 29
Dan Minogue     Ri,Ha,Ca,St,Fi  7  5 6 - 1 1925 1950 25
Ted Whitten snr WB              5  5 1 1 3 1956 1981 25
John Northey    Sy,Me,Ri,Br     8  7 4 2 2 1979 2002 23
Robert Walls    Fi,Ca,Br,Ri     5  5 - 1 4 1981 2003 22
Rodney Eade     WB              7  6 4 1 2 1987 2008 21
Norm Smith      Fi,Me,Sy        5  3 3 2 - 1950 1970 20
Mick Malthouse  WB,WC,Co        6  6 1 2 3 1985 2005 20
Elton Plummer   Es              5  2 3 - 2 1934 1953 19
Cec Ruddell     Es              5  2 3 - 2 1934 1953 19
Herbie Matthews Sy              5  3 1 1 3 1949 1968 19
Leigh Matthews  Co,Br           5  5 1 2 2 1985 2003 18
Alan Joyce      Ha,WB           6  6 4 - 2 1986 1999 13
Jock McHale     Co              5  5 - 5 - 1927 1940 13
Barry Cable     NM              6  5 4 1 1 1973 1983 10
Bob Rose        Co,WB,Co        5  5 1 1 3 1972 1981  9
Gordon Rattray  Me,Fi           5  3 5 - - 1931 1936  5
Percy Rowe      Fi,Ca           5  3 3 1 1 1931 1936  5

Notes
- does not include the medals won by Blight & Herbie Matthews themselves
- Plummer (7 games) and Rattray (2) briefly coached Reynolds & Hutchison when filling in at Essendon during the mid-40's

 

[red+black]

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How many teams have won a prelim by 7 goals or more and then lost the Grand Final?

 

[SJ]

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How many teams have won a prelim by 7 goals or more and then lost the Grand Final?

Port in 2007 and Geelong in 1995 off the top of my head.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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How many teams have won a prelim by 7 goals or more and then lost the Grand Final?

18 winners, 11 losers

Year Cb PFM R Op GFM
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1932 Ca  75 L Ri   9
1934 Sy  60 L Ri  39
1937 Co  55 L Ge  32
1948 Me  65 D Es
     Me  65 W Es  39
1957 Me  68 W Es  61
1965 Es  55 W St  35
1966 St  42 W Co   1
1970 Ca  62 W Co  10
1977 NM  67 D
     NM  67 W Co  27
1983 Es  86 L Ha  83
1984 Es 133 W Ha  24
1986 Ha  56 W Ca  42
1989 Ge  94 L Ha   6
1990 Es  63 L Co  48
1992 Ge  64 L WC  28
1994 WC  65 W Ge  80
1995 Ge  89 L Ca  61
1995 Ca  62 W Ge  61
1998 Ad  68 W NM  35
1999 NM  45 W Ca  35
2000 Me  50 L Es  60
2000 Es  45 W Me  60
2001 Br  68 W Es  26
2002 Br  56 W Co   9
2003 Co  44 L Br  50
2003 Br  44 W Co  50
2007 PA  87 L Ge 119
2008 Ha  54 W Ge  26
2009 Ge  73 W St  12

Friday night prelim winners are 4W-6L.

 

[Connor7395]

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Can anybody scour SportingPulse and find some drawn Grand Final's this year?

 

[red+black]

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This question will only be relevant if St Kilda make the Grand Final.

What is the track record of teams playing back-to-back Grand Finals against different teams, having lost the first one?

EDIT: have tried to get the answer myself, may not be 100% correct. Results from the last 70 years or so indicates that teams that make a 2nd grand final against a new team, after having lost the previous year, tend to win, and that Collingwood, being the incumbent (runner-up) or the challenger, tend to lose.

[B]               Y1  T1          R1      Y2  T2          R2
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St Kilda     2009  Geelong      L    2010  Collingwood  ?
Geelong      1994  West Coast   L    1995  Carlton      L
West Coast   1991  Hawthorn     L    1992  Geelong      W
Hawthorn     1987  Carlton      L    1988  Melbourne    W
Collingwood  1980  Richmond     L    1981  Carlton      L
Collingwood  1979  Carlton      L    1980  Richmond     L
North Melb   1976  Hawthorn     L    1977  Collingwood  W
North Melb   1974  Richmond     L    1975  Hawthorn     W
Carlton      1969  Richmond     L    1970  Collingwood  W
St Kilda     1965  Essendon     L    1966  Collingwood  W
Melbourne    1958  Collingwood  L    1959  Essendon     W
Melbourne    1954  Footscray    L    1955  Collingwood  W
Essendon     1948  Melbourne    L    1949  Carlton      W
Essendon     1947  Carlton      L    1948  Melbourne    L
Essendon     1941  Melbourne    L    1942  Richmond     W
Collingwood  1938  Carlton      L    1939  Melbourne    L
Collingwood  1937  Geelong      L    1938  Carlton      L
South Melb   1934  Richmond     L    1935  Collingwood  L
Richmond     1931  Geelong      L    1932  Carlton      W
Geelong      1930  Collingwood  L    1931  Richmond     W
Collingwood  1925  Geelong      L    1926  Melbourne    L
Collingwood  1918  South Melb   L    1919  Richmond     W
Carlton      1909  South Melb   L    1910  Collingwood  L
Fitzroy      1903  Collingwood  L    1904  Carlton      W

 

[worbod]

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Can anybody scour SportingPulse and find some drawn Grand Final's this year?

Don't think there have been any this year, but here are some of the highest known scores from past drawn grand finals.

142 - S. Aust - Gawler DFL - South Gawler 21.16 (142) vs Gawler Central 21.16 (142) - 1979
129 - N.T. - Nguilla FL - Imalu 21.3 (129) vs Tapalinga 19.15 (129) - 1985-86
118 - Vic - Bass Valley-Wonthaggi FL - Wonthaggi 17.16 (118) vs Phillip Island 17.16 (118) - 1991
117 - NSW - Farrer FL - Collingullie 18.9 (117) vs M.C.U. 17.15 (117) - 1974
117 - NSW - Riverina FL - Coolamon 17.15 (117) vs East Wagga-Kooringal 18.9 (117) - 1983
111 - NSW - Riverina FL - Coolamon 16.15 (111) vs Wagga 16.15 (111) - 1985
110 - Vic - North Central FL - Charlton 17.8 (110) vs St. Arnaud 15.20 (110) - 1973
104 - S. Aust - Yorke Valley FA - Arthurton 15.14 (104) vs Paskeville 14.20 (104) - 1986
101 - Vic - Panton Hill FL - Lalor 15.11 (101) vs Hurstbridge 15.11 (101) - 1967
101 - Vic - Omeo FL - Benambra 15.11 (101) vs Swifts Creek 16.5 (101) - 2006


1977 seems to be a well known year for drawn grand finals. Apart from the VFL draw between Collingwood and North Melbourne, there was a draw in the Barossa and Light Football Association grand final between Angaston and Kapunda, the scores being 13.13 (91) apiece. And there was also a draw in the NSW rugby league grand final between St. George and Parramatta, the scores being 9 apiece.

 

[red+black]

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We all know of the Bulldogs terrible record in preliminary finals.

So I ask, how many times have the Bulldogs been leading a preliminary final at half time, and what was the final result?

Of course, the Bulldogs have only played in 2 GFs, 1954 (W) and 1961 (L).

 

[Ron The Bear]

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We all know of the Bulldogs terrible record in preliminary finals.

So I ask, how many times have the Bulldogs been leading a preliminary final at half time, and what was the final result?

Of course, the Bulldogs have only played in 2 GFs, 1954 (W) and 1961 (L).

Year Op Half time  Result
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1953 Ge led      3 lost 26
1956 Co led      1 lost 39
1961 Me led     17 won  27
1985 Ha trailed  4 lost 10
1992 Ge trailed 18 lost 54
1997 Ad led     31 lost  2
1998 Ad trailed 34 lost 68
2008 Ge trailed 21 lost 29
2009 St led      7 lost  7
2010 St led      6 lost 24

 

[red+black]

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Ouch! What a terrible PF record they have! As bad as Collingwood and St Kilda's GF records.

 

[SJ]

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What is the record for the most number of Brownlow votes across a four year span? Ablett polled 98 from 2007-2010.

 

[red+black]

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Fairly sure that's a record. Even if you include the double-vote years of 76/77, only Graham Moss can beat it

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/G/Graham_Moss.html

And Dempsey had 94 across 4 years

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/G/Gary_Dempsey.html

 

[SJ]

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Pretty good achievement then, thanks red+black.

 

[SJ]

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Following on from that, do Geelong now hold the record for most team votes over a four year period with 420?

 

[red+black]

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Hawthorn (1975-1978): 447 votes

but again, includes the double-vote years

I reckon history books should halve votes in 76/77 for the sake of stats comparisons. Why on Earth they changed the system for a couple years I'll never know.