- all teams? ranked #55
- teams not making finals? #22
- teams winning 4 or less games? #4 (behind St.Kilda 1986, Melbourne 1966 & Brisbane 1993)
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- all teams? ranked #55
- teams not making finals? #22
- teams winning 4 or less games? #4 (behind St.Kilda 1986, Melbourne 1966 & Brisbane 1993)
It's difficult going too far back since the current concept of a finite "list" didn't always exist.
2016 is Luke Lowden's 8th year on an AFL list, for one game.
The following players who never played a VFL/AFL game were listed on the old AFL historical stats pages (no DOB's so can't say definitively that there weren't two or more players with the same name):
Stephen Moloney (WB/NM/Ha) 7 seasons 1983-1991
John Origlasso (Ha/Ri) 7 seasons 1986-1993
Steven Salvador (NM/Me) 6 seasons 1983-1988
Damien Munivrana (Ca/Ri/Ca) 6 seasons 1988-1993
Matthew MacKay (Ha/Me) 6 seasons 1988-1993
Paul McMaster (Ca/Es/NM/Sy) 6 seasons 1988-1993
Other names appearing for six seasons, but which appear to be spread over too wide a period to have been the same player, are Darren Fraser, Andrew Evans and Matthew Smith.
In terms of matches played between x and y in the modern era:
Todd Elton (Ri) 4 games in 5 years 2012-2016
Daniel McAlister (Es) 6 games in 6 years 1997-2002
Marc Woolnough (Ge) 6 games in 5 years 1998-2002
Brodie Atkinson (St/Ad) 7 games in 7 years 1993-1999 (AFL-listed in three seasons)
Ryley Dunn (Fr) 8 games in 5 years 2004-2008
Damian Lang (Sy/Ca) 8 games in 5 years 1994-1998
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Agree with those stats. Also have 353 Danny Frawley (240/113), 353 Wally Carter (137/216, excluding 3 games as c-c) and 346 Matthew Knights (279/67).
That's the record. Eade 404 games since last flag is also a record.
Does anyone have the Bulldogs head to head finals record against all clubs since it joined the comp in 1925?
http://afltables.com/afl/teams/bullldogs/overall_wl.html#4
Thursday's game would not be included with those figures.
4+ goals
\Dickson, Tory|WB|2015|EF|5|57|27y351d
\Brown, Ben|NM|2014|EF|4|9|21y290d
\Daniher, Joe|Es|2014|EF|4|26|20y186d
\Dennis-Lane, Trent|Sy|2010|EF|4|7|22y6d
\Franklin, Lance|Ha|2007|EF|7|55|20y221d
\Milne, Stephen|St|2004|SF|4|72|24y186d
\Green, Brad|Me|2000|QF|4|18|19y153d
\Barker, John C.|Ha|2000|EF|4|99|25y174d
\Molloy, Jarrod|Br|1999|QF|4|94|23y115d
\Dew, Stuart|PA|1999|QF|4|39|20y17d
\Franklin, Lance|Ha|2007|EF|7|2|55|20y221d
\Charles, Sean|Me|1994|QF|5|3|23|19y116d
\del-Re, Danny|WB|1992|QF|8|1|43|24y207d
\Lockett, Tony|St|1991|EF|9|5|141|25y183d
\Jakovich, Allen|Me|1991|EF|8|2|13|23y170d
\Jackson, Stevan|WC|1990|SF|3|5|30|20y197d
\Williams, David|Me|1987|EF|3|6|45|25y315d
\Ralph, Warren|Ca|1984|QF|8|0|13|25y196d
\Ditchburn, Ross|Ca|1982|QF|6|2|10|25y170d
\Donohue, Larry|Ge|1976|EF|4|4|45|21y135d
Majak joined the 4+ club last night too. Actually the latter one for Larry Donohue exhibits how young he was in his career, and how by just age 25 he played his last game at Fitzroy in 1980. Century goalscorer at just 21 y/o and followed up with 95 in 1978, by the end of 1980 he had ceased playing senior AFL footy. Quite amazing given he was a big man, and would be an ideal size even now as a key position player, he was about 6' 5" tall...although he probably played 'small' insofar as not being a crashing pack mark. His last game for Geelong was Rd 6 1980 in a game at Waverley when Geelong kicked 6 goals in the last quarter to narrowly lose to Richmond, a portent for a similar scoreline in the 2nd SF later that year.
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Thanks.
So, except players who never got a game, Lowden has some sort of record, certainly in recent times. Morabito is also right up there if you take a five year period which is what I expected. Was just curious to know how common that would be in recent times at least.
Thanks again.
There are a few others, I just listed Lowden as the leader.
Mark Pitura (Ri/Co) 2 games in 6 years 1991-96
Adam Slater (Ri) 3 games in 6 years 1991-96
Josh Kitchen (Ha/St) 3 games in 6 years 1991-96
Paul Wynd (NM) 3 games in 6 years 1992-97
Daniel Currie (Sy/NM/GC) 8 games in 9 years 2007-16
There are seven others with 1 game in 5 years.
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OK, so more common than I thought, though far from the norm obviously. Thanks again.
Last time this happened, how many times has this happened.
If Sydney win tonight that will mean half the competition (9/18) have won a final in the last 2 years.
2016 - Sydney Swans
2016 - Greater Western Sydney Giants
2016 - Adelaide Crows
2016 - Geelong
2016 - Western Bulldogs
2015 - Hawthorn
2015 - West Coast
2015 - Fremantle
2015 - North Melbourne.
9/18.
When was the last time half the teams in the comp won a final over a 2 year period? In 1916, this even happened over a 1 year period.
Secondary question, what is the record number of clubs to win a final over a 2 year period, or indeed a 3 year period. Theoretically, under the current system every team in the comp could win a final. However, since GWS joined the comp there are still 6 teams yet to win a final (Gold Coast, Melbourne, Essendon, St. Kilda, Brisbane Lions, Richmond).
If you add in 2014 to the above 2 years you get Port Adelaide (and Sydney if they lose tonight). Which would be 10/18.
Final question, what is the minimum spread of years that every team in the comp has won a final - and when was it. Several periods when almost all teams won a final, like 90s, just fall short. (Lions being considered the same team).
If Sydney win tonight that will mean half the competition (9/18) have won a final in the last 2 years.
2016 - Sydney Swans
2016 - Greater Western Sydney Giants
2016 - Adelaide Crows
2016 - Geelong
2016 - Western Bulldogs
2015 - Hawthorn
2015 - West Coast
2015 - Fremantle
2015 - North Melbourne.
9/18.
When was the last time half the teams in the comp won a final over a 2 year period? In 1916, this even happened over a 1 year period.
Secondary question, what is the record number of clubs to win a final over a 2 year period, or indeed a 3 year period. Theoretically, under the current system every team in the comp could win a final. However, since GWS joined the comp there are still 6 teams yet to win a final (Gold Coast, Melbourne, Essendon, St. Kilda, Brisbane Lions, Richmond).
If you add in 2014 to the above 2 years you get Port Adelaide (and Sydney if they lose tonight). Which would be 10/18.
Final question, what is the minimum spread of years that every team in the comp has won a final - and when was it. Several periods when almost all teams won a final, like 90s, just fall short. (Lions being considered the same team).
69% 2006-07 (11/16)
67% 1924-25 (9 teams + 12 teams = 7/10.5)
60% 1916-17 (4 teams + 6 teams = 3/5)
56% 1998-99 (9/16), 2001-12 (9/16), 2005-06 (9/16)
55% 2010-11 (16 teams + 17 teams = 9/16.5)
50% 13 times
3 years - 12/16 2005-07, 2006-08
Last one is difficult to compute. Think the answer is 7 years, 2001-07. Previously 19 years, 1939-57. Sydney made it difficult by not winning between 1945-96.
Cheers Ron.
2006-07 - Pretty extraordinary changing of the guard there.
I would frankly be surprised if that 7 year record is ever broken. (2001-2007). Starting from 2002 we are still 2 teams short over the past 15 years! (Neither of whom will win a final next year - sorry Ron).
Josh Kennedy gathered 42 disposals for Sydney in last night's semi final versus Adelaide. Is it correct that this equals the record for most disposals in a final, bringing Kennedy level with Garry Wilson's effort in the elimination final of 1979?
\43|22|21|Swan, Dane|Co|2011|QF|WC
\42|17|25|Wilson, Garry|Fi|1979|EF|Es
\42|25|17|Fisher, Sam|St|2009|QF|Co
\42|24|18|McVeigh, Jarrad|Sy|2013|SF|Ca
\42|16|26|Kennedy, Josh P.|Sy|2016|SF|Ad
\41|21|20|Misiti, Joe|Es|2000|QF|NM
\40|23|17|Licuria, Paul|Co|2002|QF|PA
\40|16|24|Ablett junior, Gary|Ge|2010|PF|Co
\39|27|12|Jarman, Darren|Ha|1994|QF|NM
\39|16|23|Black, Simon|Br|2003|GF|Co
\39|10|29|Cross, Daniel|WB|2008|QF|Ha
\39|31|8|Swan, Dane|Co|2010|QF|WB
\39|16|23|Kennedy, Josh P.|Sy|2015|QF|Fr
\39|16|23|Macrae, Jackson|WB|2016|SF|Ha
Ron The Bear is there a stat around where it shows how many marks taken inside 50 actually resulted in shots at goal for all clubs, just trying to put a bit of perspective into the marks inside 50 stat. Any help would be grateful.
CD must keep that stuff, e.g. distance, angle, how ball obtained (mark/free/general play etc) in order to display the set shot stats during live coverage. Haven't seen the data in the public domain, though.
When was the last time two teams won the qualifying final and lost the prelim? or alternatively 2 teams make GF with 3 games.
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Ignoring drawn finals, never. In 1972, Richmond and Carlton each played 3 games before the grand final, but that included a draw against each other. In fact, they played each other 3 times during the finals for 1 win each and a draw, Carlton winning the one that mattered though.
The pre-finals bye will be gone next year. Was always a stupid idea from Gill. If a team is 2 games on top with 1 game to play, especially if they have to travel, they will rest players. A bye before the finals will not prevent that. Stupid stupid ******* idea Gill.
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Not sure it will be gone.
It has been a magnificent finals series and in no small part the bye has contributed to that.
of course
SJ
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How many times have the WAFL, SANFL and VFA/VFL minor premiers all lost in the grand final?
What about the above plus VFL/AFL?
What about the above plus VFL/AFL?
