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worbod said:
Have any players begun their career by playing in a 100 point victory and also finished their career by playing in a 100 point victory? I see Peter Daicos went close by starting with a 178 point win and finishing with a 92 point win.
Conversely, have any players begun their career by playing in a 100 point defeat and also finished their career by playing in a 100 point defeat?
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There was one young St Kilda player named Wal Heron and his only career game was the infamous 1899 match in which the Cats thrashed the Saints 23.24-162 to 0.1-1.
 
emuboy said:
There was one young St Kilda player named Wal Heron and his only career game was the infamous 1899 match in which the Cats thrashed the Saints 23.24-162 to 0.1-1.
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I purposely excluded one-gamers as there are quite a few, 2 who were involved in wins (plus Jack Graham*) and 28 in losses (plus Mabior Chol*).
 
Ron The Bear said:
I purposely excluded one-gamers as there are quite a few, 2 who were involved in wins (plus Jack Graham*) and 28 in losses (plus Mabior Chol*).
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With the other 1 game players were there any others who like Wal Heron played in a huge loss, or at the other end of the scale any players who appeared for the first and only time in a big win by their team?
 

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emuboy said:
With the other 1 game players were there any others who like Wal Heron played in a huge loss, or at the other end of the scale any players who appeared for the first and only time in a big win by their team?
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Player|Club|Year|R|Mgn|Opp
\Kennedy, Herb|St|1899|L|117|Ge
\Heron, Wal|St|1899|L|161|Ge
\Aurish, Ern|St|1901|L|107|Es
\McGuinness, Paddy|St|1901|L|107|Es
\Blundell, George|Co|1901|W|128|St
\Gray, Sam|St|1901|L|128|Co
\Brunning, L. Herb|St|1902|L|117|Co
\Kennedy, Bill F.|St|1902|L|117|Co
\Bowtell, Alby|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Donnelly, Peter|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Gunter, John|Ca|1911|W|114|St
\Hammond, Alf|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\O'Pelt, Otto|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Soutar, Tom|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Ward, Bill H.|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Ainslie, Brodie|St|1911|L|125|Es
\Bray, Henry|St|1911|L|125|Es
\McNamara, Henry|St|1911|L|125|Es
\Clarke, Ray|NM|1930|L|102|Ge
\Whittle, Alvan|Ha|1944|L|107|Es
\Osborne, Alan G.|St|1955|L|134|Sy
\Brain, Peter|Sy|1961|L|103|Fi
\Elliott, Morrie|Sy|1961|L|103|Fi
\Heath, Trevor|Es|1971|L|147|Co
\Grant, Darren|WB|1982|L|129|Ca
\McAsey, Chris|St|1983|L|107|Ca
\Hutchinson, Bret|Me|1985|L|120|WB
\Williams, John|Es|2008|L|108|St
\Lock, Marc|GC|2011|L|119|Ca
\Cooyou, Rhys|WS|2012|L|128|St
\Chol, Mabior*|Ri|2016|L|113|Sy
\Graham, Jack*|Ri|2017|W|104|Fr
 
Ron The Bear said:
Full list

Player|Club|Year|R|Mgn|Opp
\Kennedy, Herb|St|1899|L|117|Ge
\Heron, Wal|St|1899|L|161|Ge
\Aurish, Ern|St|1901|L|107|Es
\McGuinness, Paddy|St|1901|L|107|Es
\Blundell, George|Co|1901|W|128|St
\Gray, Sam|St|1901|L|128|Co
\Brunning, L. Herb|St|1902|L|117|Co
\Kennedy, Bill F.|St|1902|L|117|Co
\Bowtell, Alby|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Donnelly, Peter|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Gunter, John|Ca|1911|W|114|St
\Hammond, Alf|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\O'Pelt, Otto|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Soutar, Tom|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Ward, Bill H.|St|1911|L|114|Ca
\Ainslie, Brodie|St|1911|L|125|Es
\Bray, Henry|St|1911|L|125|Es
\McNamara, Henry|St|1911|L|125|Es
\Clarke, Ray|NM|1930|L|102|Ge
\Whittle, Alvan|Ha|1944|L|107|Es
\Osborne, Alan G.|St|1955|L|134|Sy
\Brain, Peter|Sy|1961|L|103|Fi
\Elliott, Morrie|Sy|1961|L|103|Fi
\Heath, Trevor|Es|1971|L|147|Co
\Grant, Darren|WB|1982|L|129|Ca
\McAsey, Chris|St|1983|L|107|Ca
\Hutchinson, Bret|Me|1985|L|120|WB
\Williams, John|Es|2008|L|108|St
\Lock, Marc|GC|2011|L|119|Ca
\Cooyou, Rhys|WS|2012|L|128|St
\Chol, Mabior*|Ri|2016|L|113|Sy
\Graham, Jack*|Ri|2017|W|104|Fr
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Thanks Ron The Bear - that's amazing. For the most part, the St Kilda one game players must have gone away from the game thinking how tough it was, while one game players from other clubs playing against St Kilda must have thought it was all pretty easy. Although this seems to have been reversed in recent times, with Essendon's John Williams and GWS Rhys Cooyou making their only AFL appearances in century thrashings by the Saints.

One interesting case I noticed was that of Gold Coast's Marc Lock, who made his debut in the Suns' first ever AFL match against Carlton in Round 2 2011, but never played AFL again after that. Are there any other players like Lock whose only appearance in league football was in their club's debut match in the league?
 
emuboy said:
One interesting case I noticed was that of Gold Coast's Marc Lock, who made his debut in the Suns' first ever AFL match against Carlton in Round 2 2011, but never played AFL again after that. Are there any other players like Lock whose only appearance in league football was in their club's debut match in the league?
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Player|Club|Year|Rd
\Ahern, Bill J.|Ca|1897|1
\Bedford, Alf|St|1897|1
\Graham, Johnny A.|Es|1897|1
\Johnston, George|Ca|1897|1
\Lucas, John|Ge|1897|1
\McCormick, Bob|Es|1897|1
\Mullen, Tom|Ge|1897|1
\Poole, Dick|Co|1897|1
\Kendall, Ken|Un|1908|1
\Lock, Marc|GC|2011|2
Graham was the only one to score a goal and finished with two. His name came up recently as having the third-highest ratio of average goals:average team goals in history, surrounded by Coleman, Hudson, Dick Lee and Coventry.
 
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Wallaby said:
Hi Guys.

I notice Richmond won by 104 points on the weekend despite trailing at 1/4 time.

What is the largest victory by a side after trailing at 1/4 time?
1/2 time?
3/4 time?
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Well, Richmond themselves won by 152 points against St Kilda after trailing at 1/4 time. Score was 222-70. I checked and it seems that this is the biggest winning margin after trailing at 1/4 time.
 
Lsta062 said:
Well, Richmond themselves won by 152 points against St Kilda after trailing at 1/4 time. Score was 222-70. I checked and it seems that this is the biggest winning margin after trailing at quarter time
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That 1/4 Time score was STK 43 and Rich 33.
 
Wallaby said:
Hi Guys.

I notice Richmond won by 104 points on the weekend despite trailing at 1/4 time.

What is the largest victory by a side after trailing at 1/4 time?
1/2 time?
3/4 time?
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QT: 152 points - 1980 R16 Richmond d St Kilda https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1980/141519800720.html
HT: 88 points - 2000 R10 North Melbourne d Fremantle https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2000/081220000514.html
3QT: 57 points - 1995 R5 Sydney d Adelaide https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1995/011619950430.html

How good is that last one. Sydney 17 points down at 3QT and they kick 11.9 to 0.1 in the last quarter!
 
Ron The Bear said:
Player|Club|Year|Rd
\Ahern, Bill J.|Ca|1897|1
\Bedford, Alf|St|1897|1
\Graham, Johnny A.|Es|1897|1
\Johnston, George|Ca|1897|1
\Lucas, John|Ge|1897|1
\McCormick, Bob|Es|1897|1
\Mullen, Tom|Ge|1897|1
\Poole, Dick|Co|1897|1
\Kendall, Ken|Un|1908|1
\Lock, Marc|GC|2011|2
Graham was the only one to score a goal and finished with two. His name came up recently as having the third-highest ratio of average goals:average team goals in history, surrounded by Coleman, Hudson, Dick Lee and Coventry.
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Thanks Ron the Bear - it is rarer than I thought - just two cases after the first season in 1897, one of which was in 1908 for University.

I checked to see if there were any cases at the other end of the scale - players who played only 1 career game for any of the former clubs in that team's last ever appearance, but there were no Brisbane Bears, Fitzroy or University players like this.
 
emuboy said:
I'm too young to remember this game, but seem to recall hearing that the Saints led the Tigers by over 5 goals at one stage in the first term. Was this correct?
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https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19800721&printsec=frontpage&hl=en (page 26 of 28)

"Twenty-odd minutes later, St Kilda led by six goals"

There's more on the match on the last page.

Also, from the Football Record:- "Last Sunday the young St. Kilda players performed enthusiastically in the opening term and held a six-goal break, but they fell apart when the pressure was applied by the Tigers."
 

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35Daicos said:
https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19800721&printsec=frontpage&hl=en (page 26 of 28)

"Twenty-odd minutes later, St Kilda led by six goals"

There's more on the match on the last page.

Also, from the Football Record:- "Last Sunday the young St. Kilda players performed enthusiastically in the opening term and held a six-goal break, but they fell apart when the pressure was applied by the Tigers."
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Amazing result - looking at the other games over the years that have resulted in thrashings of 150 points or more over the years, there are some games that were reasonably even early but most were one-sided from the opening bounce. How does one suffer a 188 point turnaround in a single game?
 
In rounds 13 and 14 of 1992, St Kilda kicked 24.13 (157) in consecutive games. Is this the highest score achieved by a team in consecutive games?
What are the highest totals for each team in consecutive games?
 
worbod said:
In rounds 13 and 14 of 1992, St Kilda kicked 24.13 (157) in consecutive games. Is this the highest score achieved by a team in consecutive games?
What are the highest totals for each team in consecutive games?
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Looks like it! Here's what I have:-

Adelaide 153 (2017 Rd 4-5)
Brisbane 136 (2001 Rd 17-18)
Carlton 112 (1995 Rd 11-12)
Collingwood 101 (1943 Rd 16--1944 Rd 1)
Essendon 138 (1989 Rd 4-5)
Fitzroy 132 (1989 Rd 2-3)
Fremantle 105 (2014 Rd 13-14)
Geelong 126 (1986 Rd 10-11)
Gold Coast 83 (2013 Rd 14-15)
GWS N/A
Hawthorn 143 (1980 Rd 13-14)
Melbourne 125 (1978 Rd 22--1979 Rd 1)
North Melbourne 150 (1982 Rd 18-19)
Port Adelaide 99 (2003 Rd 12-13)
Richmond 116 (1932 Rd 1-2)
St Kilda 157 (1992 Rd 13-14)
Sydney 127 (1995 Rd 21-22)
University 54 (1908 Rd 3-4)
West Coast 112 (1999 Rd 13-14)
Western Bulldogs 117 (2002 Rd 9-10)
 
maskmcgee said:
In 2001, Richmond beat Essendon by 24 points in Round 22, before Essendon beat Richmond by 70 7 days later.. That's a turnaround of 13.4 points per day between games. Any other team have a higher turnaround per day v. the same opponent?
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I was at both of those games. The difference with your example and probably most other such instances is that Essendon were not trying to win. We knew we could beat Richmond, as we did convincingly a week later. We weren't as confident though of beating Carlton, who would have finished 4th had we beaten Richmond in the last round.

Two other games I was at were Geelong v Essendon in the 1989 finals.
QF: ES d GE by 76. 13 days later: PF: GE d ES by 94.
170 points in 13 days, or about 13.08 points per day!
 
red+black said:
I was at both of those games. The difference with your example and probably most other such instances is that Essendon were not trying to win. We knew we could beat Richmond, as we did convincingly a week later. We weren't as confident though of beating Carlton, who would have finished 4th had we beaten Richmond in the last round.
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I went to the first game, and watched the second on TV. The first game was fun - exciting, fast, spectacular (in retrospect, probably not a lot of pressure).

The second game lasted 5 minutes - everyone knew it was over by then.
 
We now know Sydney will play finals after being 0-6. This is a new record for being the latest point into a season where a team had no victories but still played finals.
What was the latest point into a season where a team had 1 victory but still played finals? (My guess is Fitzroy in 1984)
What was the latest point into a season where a team had 2 victories but still played finals?
How about 3 victories? (Richmond in 2014?)
4 victories? (Brisbane in 1995?)
5 victories and 6 victories?
 
worbod said:
We now know Sydney will play finals after being 0-6. This is a new record for being the latest point into a season where a team had no victories but still played finals.
What was the latest point into a season where a team had 1 victory but still played finals? (My guess is Fitzroy in 1984)
What was the latest point into a season where a team had 2 victories but still played finals?
How about 3 victories? (Richmond in 2014?)
4 victories? (Brisbane in 1995?)
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Sounds about right.
As for going on and winning the premiership Carlton famous Bloodbath premiership win in 1945 and North first flag in 1975 came off starts to the season where they both had only 3 wins after 9 rounds.
If Swans win flag it will be up there with those two premiership teams as amazing comebacks during a season in league history.
 
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