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Selurs

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Hi there, a question for the stats gurus. The Dockers this week played in their 4th consecutive match where the winner had fewer scoring shots than the loser. I remember reading when the Eagles lost three in a row with more scoring shots back in 2014 that it was (or equaled?) a league record for consecutive games lost with more scoring shots, but was wondering if the Dockers are near the league record for consecutive games where the winner (but not necissarily the team on the streak) had fewer scoring shots? Remarkably, they were only a late David Swallow kick from defeating the Gold Coast under the same circumstances in Round 2 as well, which would have made it 5 consecutive games!
 

Ron The Bear

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Hi there, a question for the stats gurus. The Dockers this week played in their 4th consecutive match where the winner had fewer scoring shots than the loser. I remember reading when the Eagles lost three in a row with more scoring shots back in 2014 that it was (or equaled?) a league record for consecutive games lost with more scoring shots, but was wondering if the Dockers are near the league record for consecutive games where the winner (but not necissarily the team on the streak) had fewer scoring shots? Remarkably, they were only a late David Swallow kick from defeating the Gold Coast under the same circumstances in Round 2 as well, which would have made it 5 consecutive games!
No team has won four in a row with fewer scores.

The only team to lose four in a row with more scores is Melbourne 1977 R2-5.

Teams to win three in a row with fewer scores:

Fitzroy 1904 R6-8
South Melbourne 1904 R11-13
South Melbourne 1924 R10-12
South Melbourne 1953 R8-10
St.Kilda 1960 R4-6
Essendon 1960 R8-10
St.Kilda 1968 R3-5
Collingwood 1978 R13-15
Brisbane 1988 R6-8
Fitzroy 1993 R7-9
Melbourne 2006 R4-6

Teams to lose three in a row with more scores:

Carlton 1910 R18-GF
Fitzroy 1914 R12-14
Melbourne 1923 R6-8
Hawthorn 1935 R8-10
Richmond 1936 R14-16
Footscray 1949 R4-6
Collingwood 1960 R5-7
Footscray 1967 R17-1968 R1
Collingwood 1978 R3-5
Brisbane 1988 R15-17
Geelong 1998 R16-18
West Coast 2014 R5-7
Essendon 2016 R16-18

The most consecutive games in which the winner had fewer scores is 5, both in 1960, by St.Kilda R2-6 and Essendon R6-10.

Four in a row where winner had fewer scores:

South Melbourne 1904 R11-14
South Melbourne 1924 R10-13
Melbourne 1977 R2-5
Geelong 1998 R16-19
West Coast 2004 R1-4
Fremantle 2019 R3-6
 

Selurs

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No team has won four in a row with fewer scores.

The only team to lose four in a row with more scores is Melbourne 1977 R2-5.
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The most consecutive games in which the winner had fewer scores is 5, both in 1960, by St.Kilda R2-6 and Essendon R6-10.
Thanks! Pretty interesting run too with those four games being four of the five such games played in total this year, and having come so close to having equaled the run of 5 consecutive games as well. Ah well, no prizes for nearly.
 

stemline

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Which two clubs have had the most players play at least 1 game for each of them?

e.g. 47 players have played for both Hawthorn and St Kilda.
 

North park

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Some questions arising from the Adelaide v Fremantle "shootout" yesterday:

- previous game where the aggregate score was 85 points or less?
- previous game where a team won with a score of 51 points or less?
- previous game where both teams were goalless in the same quarter?

And for all three - the previous instance(s) not involving Ross Lyon?
 

GuzzLG

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Recall Essendon v Carlton in round 6, 2016 had a goalless 2nd quarter

0.6 to 0.3 in Carlton’s favour
 

35Daicos

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Some questions arising from the Adelaide v Fremantle "shootout" yesterday:

- previous game where the aggregate score was 85 points or less?
- previous game where a team won with a score of 51 points or less?
- previous game where both teams were goalless in the same quarter?

And for all three - the previous instance(s) not involving Ross Lyon?
- previous game where the aggregate score was 85 points or less?
2009 Rd. 5 - Melbourne 4.10 (34) vs. Adelaide 7.9 (51) - 85 points
Only twice this century has an aggregate final score been 85 points or less. 607 times it has happened (22 was the lowest ever).


- previous game where a team won with a score of 51 points or less?
2012 Rd. 4 - West Coast 5.21 (51) vs. Hawthorn 5.16 (46)
It's happened 4 times from 2010 onwards. 609 times a team has won with a score of 51 or less points (14 was the lowest ever).


- previous game where both teams were goalless in the same quarter?
2018 Rd. 17 - Fremantle (0.7) vs. Port Adelaide (0.0) - the 2nd quarter was goalless.

And for all three - the previous instance(s) not involving Ross Lyon?
Ross Lyon wasn't involved in the first two cases ^ but was in the third. The previous instance where both teams were goalless in the same quarter in a game not involving Ross Lyon was (the game mentioned in the post above this one):
2016 Rd. 6 - Carlton (0.6) vs. Essendon (0.3) - the 2nd quarter was goalless.
 

North park

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This week Collingwood plays traditional rivals Carlton in the traditional time slot of Saturday afternoon.

This will be Collingwood's first "week end" game after 4 consecutive weekday games - Bulldogs (Friday night), Brisbane (Thursday night), Essendon (Thursday Anzac Day) and Port Adelaide (Friday night).

The only recent comparison I can find is Richmond, who also played 4 consecutive weekday games (albeit over 2 seasons) - 2018 QF v Hawthorn (Thursday night), PF v Collingwood (Friday night), 2019 R1 v Carlton (Thursday night) and R2 v Collingwood (Thursday night).

Have any teams played 5 or more consecutive weekday games?
 

35Daicos

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This week Collingwood plays traditional rivals Carlton in the traditional time slot of Saturday afternoon.

This will be Collingwood's first "week end" game after 4 consecutive weekday games - Bulldogs (Friday night), Brisbane (Thursday night), Essendon (Thursday Anzac Day) and Port Adelaide (Friday night).

The only recent comparison I can find is Richmond, who also played 4 consecutive weekday games (albeit over 2 seasons) - 2018 QF v Hawthorn (Thursday night), PF v Collingwood (Friday night), 2019 R1 v Carlton (Thursday night) and R2 v Collingwood (Thursday night).

Have any teams played 5 or more consecutive weekday games?
5 is the best I can see:
Carlton played 5 in 2012, with games on Friday, Thursday then 3 Friday games in a row (rd. 11-12 & 14-16 | rd. 13 they had a bye): https://afltables.com/afl/teams/carlton/allgames.html#2012

Collingwood ended 2004 with 4 Friday games and started 2005 with a Monday game: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/collingwood/allgames.html#2004

Essendon in 2001 had 5 in succession, with games on Friday, Friday, Thursday, Friday, Wednesday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/essendon/allgames.html#2001

Hawthorn finished 2011 with 3 Friday games, and started 2012 with games on Friday and Monday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/hawthorn/allgames.html#2011

Richmond ended 1999 with 2 Friday games and started 2000 with games on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames.html#1999

St Kilda's last game in 2005 was on a Friday, and they started 2006 with games on Thursday, Friday, Thursday and Monday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/stkilda/allgames.html#2005
 
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North park

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5 is the best I can see:
Carlton played 5 in 2012, with games on Friday, Thursday then 3 Friday games in a row (rd. 11-12 & 14-16 | rd. 13 they had a bye): https://afltables.com/afl/teams/carlton/allgames.html#2012

Collingwood ended 2004 with 4 Friday games and started 2005 with a Monday game: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/collingwood/allgames.html#2004

Essendon in 2001 had 5 in succession, with games on Friday, Friday, Thursday, Friday, Wednesday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/essendon/allgames.html#2001

Hawthorn finished 2011 with 3 Friday games, and started 2012 with games on Friday and Monday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/hawthorn/allgames.html#2011

Richmond ended 1999 with 2 Friday games and started 2000 with games on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/richmond/allgames.html#1999

St Kilda's last game in 2005 was on a Friday, and they started 2006 with games on Thursday, Friday, Thursday and Monday: https://afltables.com/afl/teams/stkilda/allgames.html#2005
This made interesting reading as I didn't realise how many Thursday night games have been played, especially to start the season. While the Thursday night Richmond v Carlton clash has kicked off most seasons since 2008, the first Thursday night season opener was North Melbourne v Melbourne in 1997 (on Easter Thursday).

In fact, 1994 was the last season where Round 1 commenced on a Saturday (if you discount 2012 when the first Sydney v GWS clash was played a week earlier as a standalone Saturday game). In the 25 years since, Round 1 has commenced on a Wednesday (1 time), Thursday (15 times) and Friday (9 times).
 

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worbod

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What are the most games in which players have polled Brownlow votes in a season? In other words, I'm pretty sure nobody has ever polled votes in all 22 home and away games, so who would be the leaders in this respect?
 

SunGirl89

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What are the most games in which players have polled Brownlow votes in a season? In other words, I'm pretty sure nobody has ever polled votes in all 22 home and away games, so who would be the leaders in this respect?
Of course complete records do not exist, but have a look at https://afltables.com/afl/brownlow/brownlow_idx.html

Most Games Polled In (min. 13 games):
15 - Dangerfield (2016)
14 - Harvey (1998), Swan (2011), Martin (2017)
13 - Lord (1962), Judd (2004), Ablett (2009), Ablett* (2010), Priddis (2014), Priddis* (2015), Dangerfield* (2017)

* - did not win the Brownlow

Highest % Games Polled In (min 65% and 10 games polled in):
78.6% - Bunton (11/14 in 1932)
72.2% - Lord (13/18 in 1962)
70.6% - Smith (12/17 in 1967)
68.4% - Ablett (13/19 in 2009)
68.2% - Dangerfield (15/22 in 2016)
66.7% - Gleeson (10/15 in 1957), Swan (14/21 in 2011)
 
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stemline

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Puopolo's out of sync after yesterday.

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Fitzpatrick, Mike

150

150

Ca

1975-1983

Puopolo, Paul*

141

140

Ha

2011-2017

Beams, Dayne

134

134

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2009-2017

Coates, George

128

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Fi

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Duffy, Roger

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Collins, Jack L.

112

112

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Bawden, Bob

107

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Reid, Sam B.*

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2010-2017

Grant, Jarrad*

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94

WB,GC

2009-2016

Oborne, Rod

92

92

Co,Ri

1972-1981

O'Brien, Jim J.

75

75

St

1957-1963
Well I've been keeping an eye on this for while, if you can't tell. Puopolo now on top with 176 / 176!
 

bilinita

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Re: Post your stats questions here

Yep, that looks like the winner.

2004 R8 - North Melbourne d Port Adelaide by 92 pts

Another decent loss:

1990 R20 - Hawthorn d Collingwood by 83pts

And of course a big one at the time:

1929 "Grand Final" - Richmond d Collingwood by 62 pts

Of course, under the system at the time, Minor Premiers Collingwood were allowed to challenge and won the "replay" and thus the premiership.

And for a laugh, if West Coast or Brisbane can win the flag this year, they'll "better" Port's record!
who can beat this?

2. Has there ever been a case of the eventual Premier losing a game by more than 100 points during the season? If not, which Premiership team holds the record for the biggest loss during the season and when was this?

3. What is the biggest turnaround by a team in one week? Hawthorn had an amazing turnaround back in the early 1991;
 

SunGirl89

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Has there ever been a case of the eventual Premier losing a game by more than 100 points during the season? If not, which Premiership team holds the record for the biggest loss during the season and when was this?
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/gamer.html#25
What is the biggest turnaround by a team in one week? Hawthorn had an amazing turnaround back in the early 1991;
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/gamer.html#29
 

bilinita

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who can beat this?

2. Has there ever been a case of the eventual Premier losing a game by more than 100 points during the season? If not, which Premiership team holds the record for the biggest loss during the season and when was this?

3. What is the biggest turnaround by a team in one week? FileZilla UC Browser Rufus Hawthorn had an amazing turnaround back in the early 1991;
2004 R8 - North Melbourne d Port Adelaide by 92 pts

Another decent loss:

1990 R20 - Hawthorn d Collingwood by 83pts

And of course a big one at the time:

1929 "Grand Final" - Richmond d Collingwood by 62 pts

Of course, under the system at the time, Minor Premiers Collingwood were allowed to challenge and won the "replay" and thus the premiership.

And for a laugh, if West Coast or Brisbane can win the flag this year, they'll "better" Port's record!
 

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What is the highest score for a team without having a player kicking 1 or more goals, 2 or more goals ect... up to 10 or more since Ablett kicked 9 in the highest score ever?
 

Ron The Bear

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Highest % Games Polled In (min 65% and 10 games polled in):
78.6% - Bunton (11/14 in 1932)
72.2% - Lord (13/18 in 1962)
70.6% - Smith (12/17 in 1967)
68.4% - Ablett (13/19 in 2009)
68.2% - Dangerfield (15/22 in 2016)
66.7% - Gleeson (10/15 in 1957), Swan (14/21 in 2011)
NB There was no voting in one of Lord's games in 1962 due to an interstate Carnival.
 

Ron The Bear

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What is the highest score for a team without having a player kicking 1 or more goals, 2 or more goals ect... up to 10 or more since Ablett kicked 9 in the highest score ever?
Gls|Occ|Score|Club|Year|Rd|Opp|Res|Mgn
\0|24|0.18.18|St|1921|11|Fi|L|26
\1|1253|12.12.84|Me|1998|PF|NM|L|30
\2|5989|19.15.129|Ge|1992|11|St|W|3
\3|8629|24.27.171|Sy|2013|16|GWS|W|129
\4|6739|35.12.222|Ge|2007|6|Ri|W|157
\5|4075|32.16.208|Es|1982|22|WB|W|146
\6|2131|36.20.236|Sy|1987|17|Es|W|163
\7|1063|37.11.233|Ge|2011|19|Me|W|186
\8|536|35.18.228|Ge|1989|7|St|W|119
\9|241|37.17.239|Ge|1992|7|Br|W|164
\10|125|36.22.238|Fi|1979|17|Me|W|190
\11|77|27.28.190|Ge|1991|4|Br|W|102
\12|39|32.24.216|Ha|1992|20|Es|W|160
\13|16|27.12.174|Ha|2012|10|NM|W|115
\14|10|32.19.211|Ge|1989|9|Ri|W|134
\15|4|33.15.213|WB|1978|13|St|W|107
\16|4|27.8.170|Sy|1995|19|Fi|W|126
\17|2|25.22.172|Ha|1992|7|Ri|W|79
\18|1|27.9.171|Me|1947|19|St|W|93
 

Catsace

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That's magnificent RTB!

Goes to show Geelong like to share the goals around in a huge score at least. I was at the '157' game and didn't realise at the time nobody scored more than only 4 goals for Geelong.
 

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1929 "Grand Final" - Richmond d Collingwood by 62 pts

Of course, under the system at the time, Minor Premiers Collingwood were allowed to challenge and won the "replay" and thus the premiership.
Richmond defeated Collingwood in the Second Semi Final that year. It wasn't any kind of Grand Final. The following week, Richmond beat Carlton in the Final, which is the provisional 'Grand Final' that you were thinking of. Collingwood defeated Richmond in the actual Grand Final the next week.
 

Ron The Bear

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Richmond defeated Collingwood in the Second Semi Final that year. It wasn't any kind of Grand Final. The following week, Richmond beat Carlton in the Final, which is the provisional 'Grand Final' that you were thinking of. Collingwood defeated Richmond in the actual Grand Final the next week.
Sounds as though Eddie McGuire made up the rules!
 

Ron The Bear

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I'm still interested in this if anyone can help...
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