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Daniel Menzel has played 9 matches for Geelong.
All have been wins.

Who else's first 9 matches or more have been wins?

Menzell really should have gotten a 1-week injury if he wanted to ensure the record continued.

The record is 18, and four other current players also managed it.
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#12

Although if Menzell's career were to end soon, very soon, he could have the record for most career games without a loss.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/L/Les_Laver.html

Interesting to look at Les Laver's career for Geelong. 8 games for 0 losses over 7 years! 5 wins in 1926, then 1 more in 1928, another 1 in 1931, before coming back for a draw in 1932. I guess they decided they wanted to stop the downswing right there.

 

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Has there really been no player to play VFL/AFL whose surname started with an X?

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/playersX_idx.html

Can anyone think of any such player that played WAFL/SANFL/VFA or AFL/VFL reserves?

 

[RogersResults]

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Menzell really should have gotten a 1-week injury if he wanted to ensure the record continued.



Although if Menzell's career were to end soon, very soon, he could have the record for most career games without a loss.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/L/Les_Laver.html

Interesting to look at Les Laver's career for Geelong. 8 games for 0 losses over 7 years! 5 wins in 1926, then 1 more in 1928, another 1 in 1931, before coming back for a draw in 1932. I guess they decided they wanted to stop the downswing right there.

Laver coached Geelong seconds and was temporarily coach of the seniors in 1940 when Reg Hickey resigned part way through the season. Laver was offered the coaching position for the rest of the season but preferred to stay with the seconds. I wonder how many matches of Geelong seconds' undefeated 1930 season he played?

 

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Dustin Fletcher is approaching 200 career wins.

Which players have played in 150+ wins?
Conversely, which players have played in 150+ career losses?

And with regards to Joel Selwood (84 wins in 99 games):

Which players have played in 75+ wins in their first 100 games?
What is the least career games played for a player to reach 100 wins?

 

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Dustin Fletcher is approaching 200 career wins.

Which players have played in 150+ wins?
Conversely, which players have played in 150+ career losses?

And with regards to Joel Selwood (84 wins in 99 games):

Which players have played in 75+ wins in their first 100 games?
What is the least career games played for a player to reach 100 wins?

The first part of your query can be found here...

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#02

It really is a mind-boggling stat to see that Michael Tuck played in 302 VICTORIES!!! More wins than about 99.9% of players ever even play!

That will never be broken i am certain, Joel Selwood would need to play close to three more career blocks replicating his current success rate to overtake that.

As far as the second part of the question goes, i'd say it's Ron the Bear time!!

 

[Ron The Bear]

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What is the least career games played for a player to reach 100 wins?

Cut & pasted from the Selwood thread on the main board...

Gms Player                 Career  Club(s)
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121 Libbis, Billy        1925-1935 Co,Me
123 Dunstall, Jason      1985-1998 Ha
125 Hammond, Charlie     1905-1918 Ca
125 Collier, Harry       1926-1940 Co
126 Dibbs, Charlie       1924-1936 Co,Ge
126 Beveridge, Jack      1926-1934 Co
126 Collier, Albert      1925-1942 Co,Fi
127 Johnson, Bob B.      1954-1961 Me
128 Murphy, Frank John   1925-1934 Co
128 Dixon, Brian         1954-1968 Me
128 Ridley, Ian          1954-1961 Me
129 Makeham, Bob         1923-1932 Co
129 Langford, Chris      1983-1997 Ha
130 Bruce, George        1903-1913 Ca
130 Murphy, Len          1928-1941 Co,WB
130 Judkins, Stan        1928-1936 Ri
130 Bowyer, Percy        1928-1938 Co
130 Fitzpatrick, Mike    1975-1983 Ca
130 Mackie, Andrew       2004-2011 Ge
131 Platten, John        1986-1997 Ha
132 McGregor, Rod        1905-1920 Ca
132 Jones, Jack R.       1946-1954 Es
132 Hart, Royce          1967-1977 Ri
132 Buckenara, Gary      1982-1990 Ha
132 Dear, Greg           1985-1996 Ha,Ri
133 Mithen, Laurie       1954-1962 Me
133 Brereton, Dermott    1982-1995 Ha,Sy,Co
134 Chesswas, Harry      1922-1931 Co
134 Clayden, George      1924-1933 Co
134 Murdoch, Joe         1927-1936 Ri
134 Schwab, Peter        1980-1991 Ha
135 Leach, Arthur        1897-1908 Es,Co
135 Coventry senior, Syd 1922-1934 Co
135 Lambert, Chris       1939-1951 Es

 

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Selwood's on target for 100 wins from 115 games (currently 84-15).

Varcoe's on target for 100 wins from 111 games (currently 71-11).

A few other Cats are also thereabouts.

 

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Question prompted from thread in the main forum.

- Games where Team A has kicked 2 more goals than Team B but didn't win?
- Games where Team A has kicked 3 more goals than Team B but didn't win?

Don't think we need to go to 4 goals. I worded them such to include draws (eg. 1948 GF).

 

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I've heard commentators mention Chris Scott in the same breath as some other coach who had an undefeated start to their coaching career. Problem is I've never quite caught who they mentioned.

Coaches that have had a 4-game winning streak to start their coaching career?
Coaches that have had a 4-game losing streak to start their coaching career?

 

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I'm on a roll.

Collingwood and Geelong meet again in Round 24.

Years where the two grand finalists met in the last round of the H&A season?

I'm kind of hoping it's never happened.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I've heard commentators mention Chris Scott in the same breath as some other coach who had an undefeated start to their coaching career. Problem is I've never quite caught who they mentioned.

Coaches that have had a 4-game winning streak to start their coaching career?
Coaches that have had a 4-game losing streak to start their coaching career?

Wn Coach              Cb Year
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10 Leonard, Johnny    Sy 1932
 8 Minogue, Dan       Ri 1920
 8 Warne-Smith, Ivor  Me 1928
 8 Hands, Ken         Ca 1959
 7 Elliott, Fred      Ca 1909
 7 Diggins, Brighton  Ca 1938
 7 Thorogood, Ian     Ca 1976
 6 Everett, Allan     Ge 1940
 5 Ricketts, Charlie  Sy 1909
 5 Maher, Frank       Es 1925
 5 Hickey, Reg        Ge 1932
 5 Adams, Bill        Sy 1945
 5 Clarke, Jack E.    Es 1968
 5 Ridley, Ian        Me 1971
 4 Lethbridge, Chris  Fi 1925
 4 McCorkell, Jock    NM 1954
 4 Tuddenham, Des     Es 1972
 4 Jones, Peter       Ca 1980
 4 Bourke, Francis W. Ri 1982

Ls Coach                 Cb Year
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34 Murray, Kevin         Fi 1964
18 Brown, Vic            Un 1913
18 Sutton, Bert          Ha 1913
16 Haines, George        Me 1919
14 Froude, Fred          St 1948
13 Arklay, Tom           Ge 1944
13 John, Graeme          Sy 1973
11 Hart, Royce           WB 1980
11 McConnell, Alan       Fi 1996
 9 Ratten, Brett         Ca 2008
 9 Hardwick, Damien      Ri 2010
 8 Donnelly, Gerry       NM 1926
 8 Noonan, Paddy         NM 1929
 8 Pemberton, Jack       NM 1931
 8 Allan, Ben            Fr 2001
 8 Shaw, Robert          Fi 1991
 7 Williamson, Col       St 1952
 7 Nunan, Michael        Fi 1996
 6 Adamson, Jim          NM 1940
 6 Killigrew, Alan       St 1956
 6 Campbell, Graham      Fi 1978
 6 Drum, Damian          Fr 1999
 6 Thomas, Grant         St 2001
 6 Bailey, Dean          Me 2008
 5 Williams, W. Jack     Ge 1945
 5 Carter, F. Wally      NM 1948
 5 Kennedy, John J.      Ha 1960
 5 Devine, John          Ge 1986
 5 Quinlan, Bernie       Fi 1995
 4 Ogden, Percy          Es 1920
 4 Pannam, Charlie E.    Sy 1923
 4 Cassidy, Jim          WB 1926
 4 Ringrose, Doug        Fi 1929
 4 Lewis, Johnny Francis NM 1930
 4 Deane, Col            St 1933
 4 Bunton, Haydn         Fi 1936
 4 Matthews, J. Herbie   Sy 1939
 4 Reynolds, Dick        Es 1939
 4 Hird senior, Allan    St 1946
 4 Whitten senior, Ted   WB 1957
 4 Bartlett, Kevin       Ri 1988
 4 Balme, Neil           Me 1993

 

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Debut coach undefeated start.

9 Dyer senior, Jack Ri 1941

Richmond lost round 4 of 1941 to Essendon.

DB glitch?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Debut coach undefeated start.

9 Dyer senior, Jack Ri 1941

Richmond lost round 4 of 1941 to Essendon.

DB glitch?

Hmmm, Dyer did indeed play and coach that day, and was criticised for his tactics. The match he missed on state duty in 1941 was the R11 game.

Not sure how you picked up on this, but thanks for pointing it out. An amateur record-keeper I might be, but I value accurate data!

 

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Hmmm, Dyer did indeed play and coach that day, and was criticised for his tactics. The match he missed on state duty in 1941 was the R11 game.

Not sure how you picked up on this, but thanks for pointing it out. An amateur record-keeper I might be, but I value accurate data!

I was asked by somebody how Chris Scott's record compared. When I looked at teams that had won 7 or more of their first matches of a season, Richmond 1941 was not one that came up. I was concerned that either you or I had a data entry error somewhere.

Be assured your "amateur" efforts are what I would trust over the AFL Record Season Guide for instance. The errors in it indicate that there is nothing as sophisticated as your database behind it.

 

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Is it possible to obtain a distribution of the different combinations of quarter by quarter leads from all matches played.

Let's say for every game won by a side, they obviously are leading after the 4th quarter, but there should be 8 combinations of how they got there quarter by quarter:

A=Ahead, B=Behind

AAAA - ahead at each change
BAAA - behind at the first change, ahead at the other 3
ABAA
AABA
BBAA
BABA
ABBA
BBBA - behind at the first 3 changes, ahead after full time

Obviously drawn matches and level scores at any change blows out the number of combinations significantly so perhaps exclude them from the sample.

 

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There's been 13,668 decisive games, of those 12,962 didn't have any drawn qrt scores.

AAAA 7460
BAAA 2080
ABAA 788
AABA 312
BBAA 843
BABA 423
ABBA 243
BBBA 813

 

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There's been 13,668 decisive games, of those 12,962 didn't have any drawn qrt scores.

AAAA 7460
BAAA 2080
ABAA 788
AABA 312
BBAA 843
BABA 423
ABBA 243
BBBA 813

Thanks

Surprised to see BBBA being that high.

 

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Players that have played on their 35th or later birthday?

If the list is too short, go back to 33rd to include Brent Harvey.

 

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Of the players I have DOBs for
37 Vic Cumberland
36 Ted Rowell
36 Arthur Hiskins
36 Tom Fitzmaurice
36 Gordon Coventry
35 Ted Whitten

At the other end
17 Peter Welsh
17 John Peck
17 Guy Moore

 

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I'm on a roll.

Collingwood and Geelong meet again in Round 24.

Years where the two grand finalists met in the last round of the H&A season?

I'm kind of hoping it's never happened.

Not an answer, but where it could have happened.

1998: North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs were top 2 going into the last round, where they played each other at the MCG. North won by 5. They remained top 2. But the Bulldogs didn't make the GF.

2002: Port and Brisbane were top 2 going into the last round, where they played each other in Adelaide. Port won by 6. They remained top 2. But Port didn't make the GF.

2005: Adelaide and West Coast were top 2 going into the last round, where they played each other in Perth. Adelaide won by 8. They remained top 2. But Adelaide didn't make the GF.

 

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Found three.

1956:
- In an 18-game season, Melbourne (1) travelled to Collingwood (1) in Round 18 and won by 13 points.
- After that match, Melbourne finished on top, Collingwood 2nd.
- They met again in the Grand Final where Melbourne won again, this time by 73 points.
- These teams actually met 3 times in 4 weeks. Melbourne won each time.

1963:
- In an 18-game season, Geelong (2) travelled to Hawthorn (1) in Round 18 and won by 38 points.
- After that match, Hawthorn finished on top, Geelong 2nd.
- They met again in the Grand Final where Geelong won again, this time by 49 points.
- These teams actually met 3 times in 4 weeks. Geelong won each time.

1967:
- In an 18-game season, Richmond (1) travelled to Geelong (3) in Round 18 and won by 12 points.
- They met again in the Grand Final where Richmond won again, this time by 9 points.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Players that have played on their 35th or later birthday?

If the list is too short, go back to 33rd to include Brent Harvey.

33 and over:

Player              Cb Match Date Op Age R
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Young, Henry        Ge 18/05/1907 St 34y L
Rowell, Ted         Co 15/06/1912 Sy 36y L
Marchbank, Jim      Ca 17/08/1912 Ri 34y W
Cumberland, Vic     St  4/07/1914 Es 37y D
Hiskins, Arthur     Sy  9/09/1922 Fi 36y L
Thomas, Stan        Ge  9/05/1925 Ri 33y W
Cockram, Norm       Fi 27/08/1932 Es 33y W
Fitzmaurice, Tom    NM  7/07/1934 Sy 36y L
Bisset, Jack        Sy  1/09/1934 Ha 34y W
Coventry, Gordon    Co 25/09/1937 Ge 36y L
Vallence, Harry     Ca  4/06/1938 St 33y W
Bolger, Martin      Ri 19/08/1939 Ca 33y W
Lahiff, Tommy       Ha 31/07/1943 Es 33y L
Symons, Jack S.     Fi 11/05/1946 Ca 34y W
Pannam, Alby C.     Ri 19/04/1947 NM 33y W
Graham, E. Jack     Sy  7/05/1949 Me 33y W
Clay, Bert          Fi  7/05/1949 Ge 34y L
Hutchison, Bill     Es 28/04/1956 NM 33y W
Whitten senior, Ted WB 27/07/1968 Fi 35y L
Hampshire, Ian      WB  9/05/1981 NM 33y L
Rowlings, Barry     Ri 21/08/1983 Sy 33y W
Shaw, Tony          Co 23/07/1994 WB 34y L
Ablett senior, Gary Ge  1/10/1994 WC 33y L
Blakey, John        NM 24/07/1999 Es 33y L
Bickley, Mark       Ad  4/08/2002 Sy 33y W
Stevens, Anthony    NM  2/07/2004 Es 33y W
Maxfield, Stuart    Sy  9/04/2005 Br 33y W
Harvey, Brent       NM 14/05/2011 Me 33y W

 

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I have a question.

With our team's induction into the AFL this year, and having already played around 35 players on our list, can anyone find some stats regarding the number of players on a team list who have played a game for their club for the season? (I dunno if I can word this any better, but hopefully you understand. haha)

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I have a question.

With our team's induction into the AFL this year, and having already played around 35 players on our list, can anyone find some stats regarding the number of players on a team list who have played a game for their club for the season? (I dunno if I can word this any better, but hopefully you understand. haha)

Players used? Prior to the introduction of restricted lists, there are more than 200 instances of clubs using 40+ players in a season, the most being 62 by St.Kilda in 1911.

Sydney used 46 in 1990, when there was a mid-year draft in place. Most in the era of finite lists was Richmond last year, with 42.

This year:
35 Gold Coast
32 Adelaide
31 Port Adelaide, St.Kilda
30 Brisbane, Sydney, West Coast, Western Bulldogs
29 Carlton, North Melbourne
28 Essendon, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Richmond
26 Collingwood, Fremantle, Geelong

 

[*Paul*]

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I have a question.

With our team's induction into the AFL this year, and having already played around 35 players on our list, can anyone find some stats regarding the number of players on a team list who have played a game for their club for the season? (I dunno if I can word this any better, but hopefully you understand. haha)

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc.html