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Ron The Bear

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What is Robert Walls talking about here? What he says makes no sense whatsoever.
Well it's a 2008 game, he's saying the last MCG game where both sides kicked 20+ goals was in 2005, which is correct. However it was Melbourne and Fremantle, not Essendon and Fremantle.

Only happened once since - Melbourne v North at Blundstone in 2016.
 

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My stats question - 16 rounds played so far

Id love to know for each team the total number of bounces each side has had for the total of those 16 games played

I think it would give a bit of a guide as to which teams are prepared take on the game a bit - and which teams are ultra conservative

I think with the team i support - the bounce is a bit like the drop kick - it has been banned
 

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Richmond have already qualified for the 2020 finals and St. Kilda will likely qualify too. Assuming they do, it will be the first finals series featuring both the Tigers and Saints since 1973, a drought of 47-years and currently the longest. Prior to this, the longest drought of two teams in the same finals series was Melbourne and Richmond, which lasted 77 years from 1941 until both the Tigers and Demons made the finals in 2018.

If Richmond and St. Kilda are finalists in 2020, which two teams will have gone the longest without playing in the same finals series?
 

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Prior to this, the longest drought of two teams in the same finals series was Melbourne and Richmond, which lasted 77 years from 1941 until both the Tigers and Demons made the finals in 2018.
Richmond and Melbourne have an interesting Timeline history. They were both OK in the first half of the 1940s - but managed to miss final series against each other. Melbourne won 3 straight flags from 39-41 - and then missed finals the next 4 years while Richmond made finals each year. The rest of the 40s they managed to miss each other, despite one or the other being in the finals most years. From 1947, Richmond entered one of their rubbish periods and didn't make finals for 20 years- matching the time when Melbourne took on Norm Smith and entered their Golden Era.
Then in 1965, 2 things happened:
A) Richmond home games moved to the the MCG and had their best year since 1947.
B) Melbourne briefly sacked Norm Smith - and had their worst season for 12 years (finishing below Richmond for the first time since 1953)

In '66 Hafey arrived, and Richmond entered their Golden Era - while Melbourne didn't make finals for 23 years. When Melbourne finally made finals again - 1987 - Richmond were way past Hafey, and finished last. From 87 onwards, neither were much good, and managed to miss each other on their infrequent finals appearance.

The reason is pretty clear - only one team based at the MCG can be good in a given year. Now that North, Hawthorn and Collingwood are based there, the pattern goes on. Generally, only one team is any good and really a chance at a flag. 2018 was the final proof - 3 of the 4 teams that played the preliminary finals were based at the MCG - and none of them won the flag.
 

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Richmond and Melbourne have an interesting Timeline history. They were both OK in the first half of the 1940s - but managed to miss final series against each other. Melbourne won 3 straight flags from 39-41 - and then missed finals the next 4 years while Richmond made finals each year. The rest of the 40s they managed to miss each other, despite one or the other being in the finals most years. From 1947, Richmond entered one of their rubbish periods and didn't make finals for 20 years- matching the time when Melbourne took on Norm Smith and entered their Golden Era.
Then in 1965, 2 things happened:
A) Richmond home games moved to the the MCG and had their best year since 1947.
B) Melbourne briefly sacked Norm Smith - and had their worst season for 12 years (finishing below Richmond for the first time since 1953)

In '66 Hafey arrived, and Richmond entered their Golden Era - while Melbourne didn't make finals for 23 years. When Melbourne finally made finals again - 1987 - Richmond were way past Hafey, and finished last. From 87 onwards, neither were much good, and managed to miss each other on their infrequent finals appearance.

The reason is pretty clear - only one team based at the MCG can be good in a given year. Now that North, Hawthorn and Collingwood are based there, the pattern goes on. Generally, only one team is any good and really a chance at a flag. 2018 was the final proof - 3 of the 4 teams that played the preliminary finals were based at the MCG - and none of them won the flag.
There have been a number of examples of sides who never made the same finals series for decades.

After Fitzroy defeated St. Kilda in the 1913 Grand Final, the Lions and Saints never appeared in the same finals series again, the streak only ending at 83 years when Fitzroy merged with the Brisbane Bears at the end of 1996. St. Kilda never played the same finals series as the Brisbane Bears in the 10 year tenure of the first Queensland AFL team, so it was kind of ironic that the merged Brisbane Lions played St. Kilda in their first ever finals match in 1997.

North Melbourne and St. Kilda went 72 years without ever appearing in the same finals series from 1925 until 1997, the Saints eliminating the Kangaroos in the preliminary final that year.

One recent example is quite extraordinary between the Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide. The two teams have both made the finals plenty of times in the last 20 years, but never the same finals series since 1999. The Dogs were finalists in 2000, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2015, 2016 & 2019, and the Power made the finals in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2013, 2014 & 2017. They may both play finals this year, but the Bulldogs place is not secure yet.
 

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In round 13, 2005 Shaun Burgoyne played in a 117 point victory for Port Adelaide versus Hawthorn. Then, in round 21, 2011 he played in a 165 point victory for Hawthorn against Port Adelaide. How many two-club players have experienced 100 point victories such as this? (Doing it for team A vs team B, and later for team B vs team A?)
Also of note was John Hutton who famously kicked 8 goals for the Brisbane Bears in a 164-point loss to Geelong in Round 7 1992. Despite a good debut season for the Bears, Brisbane inexplicably delisted Hutton in the 1993 pre season, and he was drafted by the Sydney Swans. In Round 8 1993, the Brisbane Bears gave the Sydney Swans a 162-point thrashing at the GABBA, winning 33.21-219 to 8.9-57 but Hutton did not play for the Swans that day. However, its still pretty extraordinary.
 

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What’s the most contested possessions by a 19 year old?
The highest is Nat Fyfe with 22 in this game https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2011/081620110717.html

Here's the top 10:

Nat Fyfe2011Round 17FR22
Clayton Oliver2017Round 10ME21
Chris Judd2003Round 4WC20
Chris Judd2003Round 15WC20
Nic Naitanui2010Round 2WC20
Nat Fyfe2011Round 19FR20
Luke Ball2003Round 21ST19
Nat Fyfe2011Round 4FR19
Paul Hasleby2001Round 1FR19
Ollie Wines2014Round 1PA19
Clayton Oliver2017Round 5ME19

(I haven't updated my database for this week yet, so if there's someone who's had a bunch this week, they might not be in here.)
 
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Gws vs Hawthorn Round 5 this year.
Gws recorded 26 i50's for 13 goals and 5 behinds (83).
Best conversion rate per scoring shot I assume?
There's been five occasions in history where a team has converted 100% of scoring shots, kicking all goals and no behinds. Of these, Hawthorn's 7.0 in Round 12, 1949 is the most goals kicked by a side without scoring a behind.

If you're looking for 2020 specifically, St Kilda's 12.1 in Round 8 (92.3%) is the best we've seen this year, and in fact is the best all time in which a side has kicked at least one behind.
 

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There's been five occasions in history where a team has converted 100% of scoring shots, kicking all goals and no behinds. Of these, Hawthorn's 7.0 in Round 12, 1949 is the most goals kicked by a side without scoring a behind.

If you're looking for 2020 specifically, St Kilda's 12.1 in Round 8 (92.3%) is the best we've seen this year, and in fact is the best all time in which a side has kicked at least one behind.
I meant per inside 50's for scoring shots sorry

18/26 in gws example
 

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I meant per inside 50's for scoring shots sorry

18/26 in gws example
Ah, I see what you're looking for. The best since Inside 50s have been recorded is Hawthorn with 34 scores from 42 inside 50s (81%) in Round 9 2005, this game https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/2005/081020050522.html

Here's the top ten:
SeasonRoundClubScoresInside 50s%
2005​
9​
HA
34​
42​
81.0%​
2005​
22​
ST
46​
57​
80.7%​
2010​
5​
FR
37​
47​
78.7%​
2012​
22​
AD
40​
51​
78.4%​
1998​
5​
HA
34​
44​
77.3%​
2006​
7​
SY
40​
52​
76.9%​
2007​
8​
WC
42​
55​
76.4%​
2001​
18​
WC
41​
54​
75.9%​
2012​
23​
AD
43​
57​
75.4%​
2001​
12​
CO
43​
57​
75.4%​

GWS' 18/26 (69.2%) is impressive but not a record. It's the second-best for 2020 behind Richmond who had 17/24 (70.8%) in Round 11 vs Port Adelaide.
 

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I was curious as to which players hold the records for playing in the most wins by 100 points or more and most losses by 100 points or more.

Hawthorn would frequently crush inferior opposition by over 100 points during their golden era from the mid 1970s to the early 1990s so it wouldn't surprise me if the player with the most century wins was a Hawk. There were some pretty weak teams during the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s that would get belted by three figure margins - 100 point wins were rarer before this and have become rarer since the early 2000s as scoring got lower - although the Gold Coast and GWS frequently found themselves losing by a century or more in their early years, Melbourne and St. Kilda also copping some almighty beatings in the early 2010s. Jeff Hogg had a long career all in bottom four teams for Richmond (1986-1993) and Fitzroy (1994-1996) with the Tigers and Lions often receiving century thrashings in his tenures with these clubs, but I'm not sure if he holds the record or if players from other poor teams (Melbourne early 1980s, St. Kilda mid 1980s, Brisbane Bears late 1980s early 1990s and Sydney Swans early 1990s) beat him.
 

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I was curious as to which players hold the records for playing in the most wins by 100 points or more and most losses by 100 points or more.

Hawthorn would frequently crush inferior opposition by over 100 points during their golden era from the mid 1970s to the early 1990s so it wouldn't surprise me if the player with the most century wins was a Hawk. There were some pretty weak teams during the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s that would get belted by three figure margins - 100 point wins were rarer before this and have become rarer since the early 2000s as scoring got lower - although the Gold Coast and GWS frequently found themselves losing by a century or more in their early years, Melbourne and St. Kilda also copping some almighty beatings in the early 2010s. Jeff Hogg had a long career all in bottom four teams for Richmond (1986-1993) and Fitzroy (1994-1996) with the Tigers and Lions often receiving century thrashings in his tenures with these clubs, but I'm not sure if he holds the record or if players from other poor teams (Melbourne early 1980s, St. Kilda mid 1980s, Brisbane Bears late 1980s early 1990s and Sydney Swans early 1990s) beat him.
Here's the top ten most wins by 100+

Joel Selwood14
Michael Tuck14
Robert Scott12
Jimmy Bartel12
Bruce Doull11
Tim Watson11
Simon Madden11
Steve Johnson11
Andrew Mackie11
Corey Enright11
Gary Ayres11

And the top ten most losses by 100+

Geoff Cunningham15
Trevor Barker15
Callan Ward14
Jeff Sarau13
Roger Merrett12
Jonathan Giles12
Devon Smith11
Jim Edmond11
Matthew Campbell10
Jeff Hogg10
Rhys Palmer10
Tom Scully10
Jeremy Cameron10
Curtly Hampton10
Toby Greene10
Adam Kennedy10
Adam Treloar10
Michael Roberts10
Greg Burns10
 

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What's the Bulldogs record in Sunday twilight / night matches (especially recently)?

Matches that begin on a Sunday after 4:30pm is specifically what I'm looking for.
 

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Matthew Nicks has "won" the wooden spoon in his first season as an AFL coach (narrowly edging out Rhyce Shaw in his first full year as North Melbourne coach).

What is the list of coaches who have "won" the wooden spoon in their first ever year?

Also, what is the list of coaches to have "won" the wooden spoon in their first year at their second/third etc club? (I know premiership coaches Ron Barassi - Melbourne 1981, Tony Jewell - St. Kilda 1983, Kevin Sheedy - GWS 2012 and John Worsfold - Essendon 2016 will make this list).
 

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Matthew Nicks has "won" the wooden spoon in his first season as an AFL coach (narrowly edging out Rhyce Shaw in his first full year as North Melbourne coach).

What is the list of coaches who have "won" the wooden spoon in their first ever year?

Also, what is the list of coaches to have "won" the wooden spoon in their first year at their second/third etc club? (I know premiership coaches Ron Barassi - Melbourne 1981, Tony Jewell - St. Kilda 1983, Kevin Sheedy - GWS 2012 and John Worsfold - Essendon 2016 will make this list).
YearClubCoachLadderPWLD%
2020AdelNicks, Matthew18th17314064.4
2017BrisFagan, Chris18th22517074.3
2011G.C.McKenna, Guy17th22319056.3
2008MelbBailey, Dean16th22319062.6
1996FitzNunan, Michael*16th14113052.0
1995FitzQuinlan, Bernie*16th19217057.8
1992SydBuckenara, Gary15th22318174.1
1978MelbJones, Dennis12th22517069.1
1977St.KSmith, Ross G.12th22317273.5
1973SydJohn, Graeme12th22418079.0
1963FitzMurray, Kevin**12th17017054.5
1962SydMcMahen, Noel12th18315074.4
1956N.M.Gaudion, Charlie12th18315069.6
1954St.KFoote, Les12th18413172.7
1952St.KWilliamson, Col12th19217068.1
1948St.KFroude, Fred12th19217059.8
1944GeelArklay, Tom12th18117058.6
1939SydMatthews, J. Herbie12th18315070.8
1936FitzBunton, Haydn12th18216068.9
1932HawJackson, Jim12th18315064.1
1930N.M.Lewis, Johnny12th18117051.9
1928HawSutton, Bert12th18018061.6
1922SydCazaly, Roy9th16411191.3
1919MelbHaines, George9th16016043.0
1917RichMaybury, Percy6th15311179.8
1913UnivBrown, Vic10th18018057.6
1909St.KSmith, Jimmy M.10th18216059.3

* did not see out season
** missed one match (Fitzroy's only win)

YearClubCoachClub #LadderPWLD%
2016EssWorsfold, John218th22319061.0
2014St.KRichardson, Alan R. *218th22418060.8
2012GWSSheedy, Kevin218th22220046.2
1991BrisWalls, Robert315th22319069.5
1983St.KJewell, Tony212th22517078.6
1981MelbBarassi, Ron D.**412th22121063.5
1974MelbSkilton, Bob212th22319077.2
1950HawMcCaskill, Bob212th18018049.8
1942HawCazaly, Roy212th15114065.6
1940N.M.Thomas, Len212th18414075.1
1935N.M.Scanlan, Paddy312th18117065.1
1931N.M.Clark, Norman512th18018050.8
1925HawHall, Alec512th17314066.1

* filled in for one game at Port
** filled in for one game at Melbourne in 1965
 
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