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Is there a way to locate the youngest selected teams - I thought there was something on Paul’s website but apparently not? Just interested to know what the youngest sekected team of all time is. I reckon it would have to be GWS in one of the games from 2012?
 

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LiterallyNobody

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Awesome. Thanks for that. I must’ve spent half an hour rifling through random player stats pages. I may even have clicked on that page. Anyway as expected it was gWS but 2013 not 2012.

some of the figures in players used were astounding. In one year (I presume war affected) St Kilda had a whopping 62 players used. That’s insane. I can’t see any close to that apart from North with 50 in one season.
 

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Awesome. Thanks for that. I must’ve spent half an hour rifling through random player stats pages. I may even have clicked on that page. Anyway as expected it was gWS but 2013 not 2012.

some of the figures in players used were astounding. In one year (I presume war affected) St Kilda had a whopping 62 players used. That’s insane. I can’t see any close to that apart from North with 50 in one season.
1911 was the year when St Kilda used 62 players, so it wasn't a war year. The club had a players strike in 1911, so that might have caused the numbers to really blow out, but the number was high for the two previous years as well:
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North Melbourne are the only other club to hit the 50 mark. You probably know this, but clicking on the heading lets you see the top figure for each club (click it again to see the bottom figure):
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1911 was the year when St Kilda used 62 players, so it wasn't a war year. The club had a players strike in 1911, so that might have caused the numbers to really blow out, but the number was high for the two previous years as well:
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North Melbourne are the only other club to hit the 50 mark. You probably know this, but clicking on the heading lets you see the top figure for each club (click it again to see the bottom figure):
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Yep I’m pretty savvy with this site. But the more obscure stuff is difficult to find sometimes. Absolutely love it. It’s constantly open in my tabs and I refer to it all the time.
 

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1. Which current player has played with the most different team mates?
2. Which current player has played against the most different opponents?
Teammates

192 Paddy Ryder
188 Stefan Martin
187 Eddie Betts
184 Shaun Burgoyne, Tom Hickey, Shaun Higgins

Opponents

1671 Shaun Burgoyne
1519 Eddie Betts
1503 David Mundy
1429 Lance Franklin
1413 Scott Pendlebury
1385 Paddy Ryder
 

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Going vack to 'Players on Losing teams polling Brownlow votes' -

1 What is the biggest margin in a game in which a player from the Losing side has polled Brownlow votes? (And, if possible, what are the margins for 'biggest loss for 1 vote, 2 votes etc).

I know Fyfe polled 3 votes when Richmond beat Freo by 77 a couple of years ago - don't know if that is the record.
 

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Going vack to 'Players on Losing teams polling Brownlow votes' -

1 What is the biggest margin in a game in which a player from the Losing side has polled Brownlow votes? (And, if possible, what are the margins for 'biggest loss for 1 vote, 2 votes etc).

I know Fyfe polled 3 votes when Richmond beat Freo by 77 a couple of years ago - don't know if that is the record.
MarginPlayerClubYearRoundOpponentVotes
124Watters, ScottSyd19936N.M.1
116Buckley, NathanBris199314Ess1
105Primus, MatthewFitz19969N.M.1
104Cripps, PatrickCarl201823Adel2
103Hardie, BradBris198710Carl1
100Priddis, MattW.C.200810Coll1
99Roos, PaulFitz19919W.C.1
98Phillips, AndrewCarl199123Haw1
98West, ScottW.B.19953Carl2
97Ablett junior, GaryG.C.201210Coll3
94Ward, CallanGWS201310Carl1
93Crow, MaxSt.K19842Coll1
92Ablett junior, GaryG.C.20122St.K3
92Neale, LachieFrem201622GWS1
88Foschini, SilvioSt.K19863Carl1
88Burns, GregSt.K198722W.C.1
86Loewe, StewartSt.K200018W.C.1
85Grant, ShannonN.M.20059Geel1
85Zorko, DayneBris201716Geel1
84Hasleby, PaulFrem200913Coll1
83Rockliff, TomBris201414Frem1
82Sherman, JustinBris200619Rich1
82Bentick, AdamCarl200721N.M.1
82Griffen, RyanW.B.201221Syd2
81Palm, DavidRich198512Ess1
81Cresswell, DarynSyd19995Adel1
81Cousins, BenW.C.200112Coll1

Fyfe 77 points is the next highest margin for 3 votes after Ablett's two.
 

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I was wondering what's the most amount of games players within a team have played upon their MCG debut.

ie. Crows currently have
Chayce Jones with 29 games Ned McHenry with 20 games upon others without a game at the MCG

But I do wonder if in the early years there's some quite high totals as a player could play every game for 2 years except at Melbourne and play 42 games.
So maybe just for the AFL-era? (Or even 2000-present as it was about then when games stopped playing at suburban grounds)
 

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I was wondering what's the most amount of games players within a team have played upon their MCG debut.

ie. Crows currently have
Chayce Jones with 29 games Ned McHenry with 20 games upon others without a game at the MCG

But I do wonder if in the early years there's some quite high totals as a player could play every game for 2 years except at Melbourne and play 42 games.
So maybe just for the AFL-era? (Or even 2000-present as it was about then when games stopped playing at suburban grounds)
Most games with none at MCG

GamesPlayerClubsCareer
84Crump, AlfNM1942-1948
76Dearle, LaurieEs1942-1947
74Burke, JackHa1939-1945
69King, Jack F.Ha1941-1945
66Tribe, GeorgeWB1940-1946
65Hartridge, RonSt,Sy1938-1946
63Hand, PatWB1943-1949
61Williams, Jack E.Sy1939-1946
59Allister, JackEs,NM1938-1945
58Butler, BillSt1942-1946
58Hamilton, StuartHa1943-1947
58Hines, RonCa1943-1948
56Lyons, Jack G.Es,NM1945-1948
55Zurhaar, CameronNM2017-2021*
54Whitfield, TedSy1939-1945
52Ryan, Phil J.Ha1941-1946
51Wilks, DonHa1943-1945
50Brannan, AndyRi,Ha1942-1946

First game at MCG

Game #PlayerClubsCareer
110Bennett, Jack B.Ca1940-1947
96Castles, VicSy1942-1947
90Ruthven, AllanFi1940-1954
89Oppy, MaxRi1942-1954
88Culpitt, WallyHa1940-1948
87Hutchison, BillEs1942-1957
86Mears, HarryCo,Sy1940-1948
84Grossman, DonSy1940-1947
81Fitzgibbon, FredCa1942-1948
79Clark, JimCa1943-1951
74Worrall, MalcolmHa1944-1950
73Wade, KevinCo1942-1949
73Deans, BillySy,Me1941-1950
73Burns, Jack R.Co1941-1947
69Wallis, TomCo1942-1947
69Morris, BillRi1942-1951
67Giles, BobSy1950-1955
67Henderson, BobFi1953-1962
67Hoskins, GeorgeFi1942-1947
66McIntyre, ErnSt,Co1940-1949
65Cook, Fred G.Ri1944-1949
64Ryan, Phil GeorgeCo1942-1947
64Mooney, ArthurRi1943-1948
64Burge, FredRi1942-1950
61Jarvis, NoelFi1944-1952
60Wilson, Billy P.Ri1944-1954

Current players with none at MCG

GamesPlayerClubsCareer
55Zurhaar, CameronNM2017-2021
41Larkey, NickNM2017-2021
29Jones, ChayceAd2019-2021
25McAdam, ShaneAd2020-2021
22Mahony, JackNM2020-2021
22Himmelberg, ElliottAd2018-2021
21Sholl, LachlanAd2020-2021
21Schoenberg, HarryAd2020-2021
20Young, LachieWB,NM2019-2021
20Taylor, CurtisNM2019-2021
20McPherson, AndrewAd2020-2021
20McHenry, NedAd2020-2021

First game at MCG for players who played 2000-current

Game #PlayerClubsCareer
56Stevens, KobyWC,WB,St2010-2018
43Amon, KarlPA2015-2021
42Lynch, QuintenWC,Co2002-2013
41Merrett, DanielBr2005-2016
39Cutler, TomBr,Es2014-2021
36MacPherson, DarcyGC2016-2021
36Grover, AntoniFr1999-2012
35Lockett, TonySt,Sy1983-2002
31Clurey, TomPA2014-2021
31Ingerson, AnthonyAd,Me1992-2001
31Drummond, JoshBr2005-2012
30Stiller, CheyneeBr2006-2012
30Jericho, LukeAd2004-2008
30Green, KaseyWC,NM2000-2007
 
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Most games with none at MCG

GamesPlayerClubsCareer
84Crump, AlfNM1942-1948
76Dearle, LaurieEs1942-1947
74Burke, JackHa1939-1945
69King, Jack F.Ha1941-1945
66Tribe, GeorgeWB1940-1946
65Hartridge, RonSt,Sy1938-1946
63Hand, PatWB1943-1949
61Williams, Jack E.Sy1939-1946
59Allister, JackEs,NM1938-1945
58Butler, BillSt1942-1946
58Hamilton, StuartHa1943-1947
58Hines, RonCa1943-1948
56Lyons, Jack G.Es,NM1945-1948
55Zurhaar, CameronNM2017-2021*
54Whitfield, TedSy1939-1945
52Ryan, Phil J.Ha1941-1946
51Wilks, DonHa1943-1945
50Brannan, AndyRi,Ha1942-1946

First game at MCG

Game #PlayerClubsCareer
110Bennett, Jack B.Ca1940-1947
96Castles, VicSy1942-1947
90Ruthven, AllanFi1940-1954
89Oppy, MaxRi1942-1954
88Culpitt, WallyHa1940-1948
87Hutchison, BillEs1942-1957
86Mears, HarryCo,Sy1940-1948
84Grossman, DonSy1940-1947
81Fitzgibbon, FredCa1942-1948
79Clark, JimCa1943-1951
74Worrall, MalcolmHa1944-1950
73Wade, KevinCo1942-1949
73Deans, BillySy,Me1941-1950
73Burns, Jack R.Co1941-1947
69Wallis, TomCo1942-1947
69Morris, BillRi1942-1951
67Giles, BobSy1950-1955
67Henderson, BobFi1953-1962
67Hoskins, GeorgeFi1942-1947
66McIntyre, ErnSt,Co1940-1949
65Cook, Fred G.Ri1944-1949
64Ryan, Phil GeorgeCo1942-1947
64Mooney, ArthurRi1943-1948
64Burge, FredRi1942-1950
61Jarvis, NoelFi1944-1952
60Wilson, Billy P.Ri1944-1954

Current players with none at MCG

GamesPlayerClubsCareer
55Zurhaar, CameronNM2017-2021
41Larkey, NickNM2017-2021
29Jones, ChayceAd2019-2021
25McAdam, ShaneAd2020-2021
22Mahony, JackNM2020-2021
22Himmelberg, ElliottAd2018-2021
21Sholl, LachlanAd2020-2021
21Schoenberg, HarryAd2020-2021
20Young, LachieWB,NM2019-2021
20Taylor, CurtisNM2019-2021
20McPherson, AndrewAd2020-2021
20McHenry, NedAd2020-2021

First game at MCG for players who played 2000-current

Game #PlayerClubsCareer
56Stevens, KobyWC,WB,St2010-2018
43Amon, KarlPA2015-2021
42Lynch, QuintenWC,Co2002-2013
41Merrett, DanielBr2005-2016
39Cutler, TomBr,Es2014-2021
36MacPherson, DarcyGC2016-2021
36Grover, AntoniFr1999-2012
35Lockett, TonySt,Sy1983-2002
31Clurey, TomPA2014-2021
31Ingerson, AnthonyAd,Me1992-2001
31Drummond, JoshBr2005-2012
30Stiller, CheyneeBr2006-2012
30Jericho, LukeAd2004-2008
30Green, KaseyWC,NM2000-2007
Is there a way to consolidate the data per team at any one time?
 

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Say there's 10 players in 1 team who have yet to play there
Their totals are combined into 1

So just using your 3rd table
Jones 29
McAdam 25
Himmelberg 22
Scholl 21
Schoenberg 21
McPherson 20
McHenry 20

If the Crows played in the MCG this week the team total would be 118
I wonder what the highest is for a team

Just thinking this could be a shot at being broken in the near future by either North or Adelaide looking at that table.
 

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Since 2000

Games
Year
Round
Club
Players = 0
203​
2021​
13​
Adel
12​
191​
2021​
12​
Adel
12​
175​
2021​
13​
N.M.
7​
174​
2021​
11​
N.M.
7​
169​
2021​
11​
Adel
11​
167​
2021​
10​
N.M.
7​
167​
2021​
9​
N.M.
8​
161​
2021​
9​
Adel
12​
159​
2021​
8​
N.M.
8​
157​
2021​
7​
N.M.
9​
155​
2011​
21​
G.C.
13​
147​
2011​
22​
G.C.
14​
145​
2021​
7​
Adel
12​
144​
2021​
10​
Adel
11​
143​
2021​
6​
N.M.
8​
139​
2021​
6​
Adel
11​
132​
2007​
14​
Bris
8​
131​
2007​
16​
Bris
7​
131​
2011​
19​
G.C.
13​
130​
2021​
8​
Adel
10​

All-time

Games
Year
Round
Club
Players = 0
750​
1947​
11​
Carl
17​
734​
1947​
9​
Carl
17​
703​
1947​
10​
Carl
17​
675​
1947​
8​
Carl
16​
647​
1946​
19​
Carl
16​
639​
1947​
7​
Carl
16​
621​
1946​
17​
Carl
17​
612​
1946​
18​
Carl
16​
605​
1946​
16​
Carl
17​
593​
1947​
5​
Carl
16​
588​
1946​
15​
Carl
17​
564​
1947​
6​
Carl
16​
558​
1947​
14​
Rich
16​
553​
1946​
11​
Carl
16​
526​
1947​
3​
Carl
15​
524​
1947​
13​
Rich
15​
524​
1946​
13​
Carl
16​
517​
1946​
14​
Carl
16​
508​
1946​
12​
Carl
16​
508​
1947​
4​
Carl
16​

Adelaide's 203 is the highest tally since 1961. The only higher total prior to 1940 was a solitary game in 1897 (Essendon Round 13).
 
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When Port Adelaide thumped the Gold Coast by 50-points today, it was Port's 12th straight win over the Suns, a sequence dating back over 10 years to 2011. Like today, many of the games have been decided by big margins.

Somewhat ironically, the Gold Coast beat the Power in their first encounter at Football Park in Adelaide a decade ago, this the Suns' first ever win in the AFL.

Are there any other examples of records like this, expansion teams beating an opponent in their first year and then not beating them again for many years after? There's lots of cases where teams have taken a long time to beat a particular opponent, for example the Brisbane Bears were unable to beat fellow 1987 expansion team the West Coast Eagles until 1996, the Bears' 10th (and last) season before the merger with Fitzroy to became the Brisbane Lions in 1997. The Gold Coast were unable to beat Adelaide until 2020. But I can't think of any records like the strange one between the Power and Suns.
 

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Are there any other examples of records like this, expansion teams beating an opponent in their first year and then not beating them again for many years after?
North Melbourne beat Geelong by 8 points at Corio Oval in its first ever VFL match in 1925 before losing its next 23 against the Cats. Their next win was in 1939.

Gold Coast/Port Adelaide is a clear second.

Three teams lost their next 8 after winning their first encounter:
Brisbane/Melbourne
St.Kilda/Richmond*
Western Bulldogs/West Coast*

Next best is 4:
Collingwood/Port Adelaide*
Fremantle/Geelong
Gold Coast/Brisbane
GWS/Gold Coast
GWS/Port Adelaide
North Melbourne/Western Bulldogs**

* against expansion clubs
** both new clubs
 

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most disposals without a Brownlow vote?
DisposalsGoalsPlayerClubYearRoundOppResultMargin
501Shaw, TonyColl19915BrisW22
482Malaxos, SteveW.C.198722St.KW88
471Crouch, MattAdel201923W.B.L34
462Mitchell, BarrySyd199118AdelW4
461Mitchell, TomHaw20189BrisL56
450Priddis, MattW.C.200814HawL57
450Boyd, MatthewW.B.20115FremL7
440Harvey, RobertSt.K19922W.B.L32
441McDermott, ChrisAdel199220RichW110
440McDermott, ChrisAdel19938N.M.W2
441Williams, GregCarl199310MelbW54
441Bickley, MarkAdel199311W.B.W45
441Ratten, BrettCarl199517FitzW97
440Bowden, JoelRich20094MelbL8
442Bastinac, RyanN.M.20122GWSW129
440Boyd, MatthewW.B.20127N.M.W18
441Mundy, DavidFrem201619SydL90
440Oliver, ClaytonMelb20192GeelL80
 

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North Melbourne beat Geelong by 8 points at Corio Oval in its first ever VFL match in 1925 before losing its next 23 against the Cats. Their next win was in 1939.

Gold Coast/Port Adelaide is a clear second.

Three teams lost their next 8 after winning their first encounter:
Brisbane/Melbourne
St.Kilda/Richmond*
Western Bulldogs/West Coast*

Next best is 4:
Collingwood/Port Adelaide*
Fremantle/Geelong
Gold Coast/Brisbane
GWS/Gold Coast
GWS/Port Adelaide
North Melbourne/Western Bulldogs**

* against expansion clubs
** both new clubs
Some interesting statistics from this North vs. Geelong game:

1. North winning their debut game over Geelong is the only time that the Kangaroos have had a positive overall win-loss-draw record in the AFL/VFL.
2. Geelong won the 1925 premiership, North were second last.
3. In the return 1925 match at Arden Street, North's Fred Rutley was suspended for life, but this was later rescinded and he briefly returned in 1930.
4. The Kangaroos never again won at the Corio Bay Oval after this first up win at the venue, but developed a good record over Geelong at their new home ground Kardinia Park, winning there often in the mid 1940s after the Cats struggled upon returning after a World War 2 hiatus in 1942 and 1943. Today, the Kangaroos record against the Cats at Kardinia Park is a respectable 25-39, not bad considering Geelong have always been hard to beat at this ground.
 

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After that stat looked up Carlton and we have a winning record at Kardinia Park (24-21) and an even record at Corio (20-20-1). Does any club have a winning record over Geelong at BOTH venues?
 

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