Stats questions

[Generalissimo]

1. Which current player has played with the most different team mates?
2. Which current player has played against the most different opponents?

I'm going to guess that the answer to both is Paddy Ryder.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Yep, St Kilda in 1899: no behinds Rnd 9, no goals Rnd 10

AFL Tables - 1899 Season Scores

That’s amazing that you have to go back that far to see that occurrence. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened since.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

I'm going to guess that the answer to both is Paddy Ryder.

Maybe Tom Hickey. Huge turnover in his time with us plus three more clubs.

 

[LiterallyNobody]

Is there a way to locate the youngest selected teams - I thought there was something on Paul’s website but apparently not? Just interested to know what the youngest sekected team of all time is. I reckon it would have to be GWS in one of the games from 2012?

 

[35Daicos]

Is there a way to locate the youngest selected teams - I thought there was something on Paul’s website but apparently not? Just interested to know what the youngest sekected team of all time is. I reckon it would have to be GWS in one of the games from 2012?

AFL Tables - All Time Records - Miscellaneous



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[LiterallyNobody]

AFL Tables - All Time Records - Miscellaneous
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Awesome. Thanks for that. I must’ve spent half an hour rifling through random player stats pages. I may even have clicked on that page. Anyway as expected it was gWS but 2013 not 2012.

some of the figures in players used were astounding. In one year (I presume war affected) St Kilda had a whopping 62 players used. That’s insane. I can’t see any close to that apart from North with 50 in one season.

 

[35Daicos]

Awesome. Thanks for that. I must’ve spent half an hour rifling through random player stats pages. I may even have clicked on that page. Anyway as expected it was gWS but 2013 not 2012.

some of the figures in players used were astounding. In one year (I presume war affected) St Kilda had a whopping 62 players used. That’s insane. I can’t see any close to that apart from North with 50 in one season.

1911 was the year when St Kilda used 62 players, so it wasn't a war year. The club had a players strike in 1911, so that might have caused the numbers to really blow out, but the number was high for the two previous years as well:

North Melbourne are the only other club to hit the 50 mark. You probably know this, but clicking on the heading lets you see the top figure for each club (click it again to see the bottom figure):

 

[LiterallyNobody]

1911 was the year when St Kilda used 62 players, so it wasn't a war year. The club had a players strike in 1911, so that might have caused the numbers to really blow out, but the number was high for the two previous years as well:
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North Melbourne are the only other club to hit the 50 mark. You probably know this, but clicking on the heading lets you see the top figure for each club (click it again to see the bottom figure):
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Yep I’m pretty savvy with this site. But the more obscure stuff is difficult to find sometimes. Absolutely love it. It’s constantly open in my tabs and I refer to it all the time.

 

[Ron The Bear]

1. Which current player has played with the most different team mates?
2. Which current player has played against the most different opponents?

Teammates

192 Paddy Ryder
188 Stefan Martin
187 Eddie Betts
184 Shaun Burgoyne, Tom Hickey, Shaun Higgins

Opponents

1671 Shaun Burgoyne
1519 Eddie Betts
1503 David Mundy
1429 Lance Franklin
1413 Scott Pendlebury
1385 Paddy Ryder

 

[the croucher]

That’s amazing that you have to go back that far to see that occurrence. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened since.

Oh, it may have occurred since, just that I started at 1897 and worked my forward because the early years of VFL comp had lower scores generally.

 

[Wallaby]

Going vack to 'Players on Losing teams polling Brownlow votes' -

1 What is the biggest margin in a game in which a player from the Losing side has polled Brownlow votes? (And, if possible, what are the margins for 'biggest loss for 1 vote, 2 votes etc).

I know Fyfe polled 3 votes when Richmond beat Freo by 77 a couple of years ago - don't know if that is the record.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Going vack to 'Players on Losing teams polling Brownlow votes' -

1 What is the biggest margin in a game in which a player from the Losing side has polled Brownlow votes? (And, if possible, what are the margins for 'biggest loss for 1 vote, 2 votes etc).

I know Fyfe polled 3 votes when Richmond beat Freo by 77 a couple of years ago - don't know if that is the record.

Margin	Player	Club	Year	Round	Opponent	Votes
124	Watters, Scott	Syd	1993	6	N.M.	1
116	Buckley, Nathan	Bris	1993	14	Ess	1
105	Primus, Matthew	Fitz	1996	9	N.M.	1
104	Cripps, Patrick	Carl	2018	23	Adel	2
103	Hardie, Brad	Bris	1987	10	Carl	1
100	Priddis, Matt	W.C.	2008	10	Coll	1
99	Roos, Paul	Fitz	1991	9	W.C.	1
98	Phillips, Andrew	Carl	1991	23	Haw	1
98	West, Scott	W.B.	1995	3	Carl	2
97	Ablett junior, Gary	G.C.	2012	10	Coll	3
94	Ward, Callan	GWS	2013	10	Carl	1
93	Crow, Max	St.K	1984	2	Coll	1
92	Ablett junior, Gary	G.C.	2012	2	St.K	3
92	Neale, Lachie	Frem	2016	22	GWS	1
88	Foschini, Silvio	St.K	1986	3	Carl	1
88	Burns, Greg	St.K	1987	22	W.C.	1
86	Loewe, Stewart	St.K	2000	18	W.C.	1
85	Grant, Shannon	N.M.	2005	9	Geel	1
85	Zorko, Dayne	Bris	2017	16	Geel	1
84	Hasleby, Paul	Frem	2009	13	Coll	1
83	Rockliff, Tom	Bris	2014	14	Frem	1
82	Sherman, Justin	Bris	2006	19	Rich	1
82	Bentick, Adam	Carl	2007	21	N.M.	1
82	Griffen, Ryan	W.B.	2012	21	Syd	2
81	Palm, David	Rich	1985	12	Ess	1
81	Cresswell, Daryn	Syd	1999	5	Adel	1
81	Cousins, Ben	W.C.	2001	12	Coll	1

Fyfe 77 points is the next highest margin for 3 votes after Ablett's two.

 

[Dirty Bird]

I was wondering what's the most amount of games players within a team have played upon their MCG debut.

ie. Crows currently have
Chayce Jones with 29 games Ned McHenry with 20 games upon others without a game at the MCG

But I do wonder if in the early years there's some quite high totals as a player could play every game for 2 years except at Melbourne and play 42 games.
So maybe just for the AFL-era? (Or even 2000-present as it was about then when games stopped playing at suburban grounds)

 

[Ron The Bear]

I was wondering what's the most amount of games players within a team have played upon their MCG debut.

ie. Crows currently have
Chayce Jones with 29 games Ned McHenry with 20 games upon others without a game at the MCG

But I do wonder if in the early years there's some quite high totals as a player could play every game for 2 years except at Melbourne and play 42 games.
So maybe just for the AFL-era? (Or even 2000-present as it was about then when games stopped playing at suburban grounds)

Most games with none at MCG

Games	Player	Clubs	Career
84	Crump, Alf	NM	1942-1948
76	Dearle, Laurie	Es	1942-1947
74	Burke, Jack	Ha	1939-1945
69	King, Jack F.	Ha	1941-1945
66	Tribe, George	WB	1940-1946
65	Hartridge, Ron	St,Sy	1938-1946
63	Hand, Pat	WB	1943-1949
61	Williams, Jack E.	Sy	1939-1946
59	Allister, Jack	Es,NM	1938-1945
58	Butler, Bill	St	1942-1946
58	Hamilton, Stuart	Ha	1943-1947
58	Hines, Ron	Ca	1943-1948
56	Lyons, Jack G.	Es,NM	1945-1948
55	Zurhaar, Cameron	NM	2017-2021*
54	Whitfield, Ted	Sy	1939-1945
52	Ryan, Phil J.	Ha	1941-1946
51	Wilks, Don	Ha	1943-1945
50	Brannan, Andy	Ri,Ha	1942-1946

First game at MCG

Game #	Player	Clubs	Career
110	Bennett, Jack B.	Ca	1940-1947
96	Castles, Vic	Sy	1942-1947
90	Ruthven, Allan	Fi	1940-1954
89	Oppy, Max	Ri	1942-1954
88	Culpitt, Wally	Ha	1940-1948
87	Hutchison, Bill	Es	1942-1957
86	Mears, Harry	Co,Sy	1940-1948
84	Grossman, Don	Sy	1940-1947
81	Fitzgibbon, Fred	Ca	1942-1948
79	Clark, Jim	Ca	1943-1951
74	Worrall, Malcolm	Ha	1944-1950
73	Wade, Kevin	Co	1942-1949
73	Deans, Billy	Sy,Me	1941-1950
73	Burns, Jack R.	Co	1941-1947
69	Wallis, Tom	Co	1942-1947
69	Morris, Bill	Ri	1942-1951
67	Giles, Bob	Sy	1950-1955
67	Henderson, Bob	Fi	1953-1962
67	Hoskins, George	Fi	1942-1947
66	McIntyre, Ern	St,Co	1940-1949
65	Cook, Fred G.	Ri	1944-1949
64	Ryan, Phil George	Co	1942-1947
64	Mooney, Arthur	Ri	1943-1948
64	Burge, Fred	Ri	1942-1950
61	Jarvis, Noel	Fi	1944-1952
60	Wilson, Billy P.	Ri	1944-1954

Current players with none at MCG

Games	Player	Clubs	Career
55	Zurhaar, Cameron	NM	2017-2021
41	Larkey, Nick	NM	2017-2021
29	Jones, Chayce	Ad	2019-2021
25	McAdam, Shane	Ad	2020-2021
22	Mahony, Jack	NM	2020-2021
22	Himmelberg, Elliott	Ad	2018-2021
21	Sholl, Lachlan	Ad	2020-2021
21	Schoenberg, Harry	Ad	2020-2021
20	Young, Lachie	WB,NM	2019-2021
20	Taylor, Curtis	NM	2019-2021
20	McPherson, Andrew	Ad	2020-2021
20	McHenry, Ned	Ad	2020-2021

First game at MCG for players who played 2000-current

Game #	Player	Clubs	Career
56	Stevens, Koby	WC,WB,St	2010-2018
43	Amon, Karl	PA	2015-2021
42	Lynch, Quinten	WC,Co	2002-2013
41	Merrett, Daniel	Br	2005-2016
39	Cutler, Tom	Br,Es	2014-2021
36	MacPherson, Darcy	GC	2016-2021
36	Grover, Antoni	Fr	1999-2012
35	Lockett, Tony	St,Sy	1983-2002
31	Clurey, Tom	PA	2014-2021
31	Ingerson, Anthony	Ad,Me	1992-2001
31	Drummond, Josh	Br	2005-2012
30	Stiller, Cheynee	Br	2006-2012
30	Jericho, Luke	Ad	2004-2008
30	Green, Kasey	WC,NM	2000-2007

 

[Dirty Bird]

Most games with none at MCG

Games	Player	Clubs	Career
84	Crump, Alf	NM	1942-1948
76	Dearle, Laurie	Es	1942-1947
74	Burke, Jack	Ha	1939-1945
69	King, Jack F.	Ha	1941-1945
66	Tribe, George	WB	1940-1946
65	Hartridge, Ron	St,Sy	1938-1946
63	Hand, Pat	WB	1943-1949
61	Williams, Jack E.	Sy	1939-1946
59	Allister, Jack	Es,NM	1938-1945
58	Butler, Bill	St	1942-1946
58	Hamilton, Stuart	Ha	1943-1947
58	Hines, Ron	Ca	1943-1948
56	Lyons, Jack G.	Es,NM	1945-1948
55	Zurhaar, Cameron	NM	2017-2021*
54	Whitfield, Ted	Sy	1939-1945
52	Ryan, Phil J.	Ha	1941-1946
51	Wilks, Don	Ha	1943-1945
50	Brannan, Andy	Ri,Ha	1942-1946

First game at MCG

Game #	Player	Clubs	Career
110	Bennett, Jack B.	Ca	1940-1947
96	Castles, Vic	Sy	1942-1947
90	Ruthven, Allan	Fi	1940-1954
89	Oppy, Max	Ri	1942-1954
88	Culpitt, Wally	Ha	1940-1948
87	Hutchison, Bill	Es	1942-1957
86	Mears, Harry	Co,Sy	1940-1948
84	Grossman, Don	Sy	1940-1947
81	Fitzgibbon, Fred	Ca	1942-1948
79	Clark, Jim	Ca	1943-1951
74	Worrall, Malcolm	Ha	1944-1950
73	Wade, Kevin	Co	1942-1949
73	Deans, Billy	Sy,Me	1941-1950
73	Burns, Jack R.	Co	1941-1947
69	Wallis, Tom	Co	1942-1947
69	Morris, Bill	Ri	1942-1951
67	Giles, Bob	Sy	1950-1955
67	Henderson, Bob	Fi	1953-1962
67	Hoskins, George	Fi	1942-1947
66	McIntyre, Ern	St,Co	1940-1949
65	Cook, Fred G.	Ri	1944-1949
64	Ryan, Phil George	Co	1942-1947
64	Mooney, Arthur	Ri	1943-1948
64	Burge, Fred	Ri	1942-1950
61	Jarvis, Noel	Fi	1944-1952
60	Wilson, Billy P.	Ri	1944-1954

Current players with none at MCG

Games	Player	Clubs	Career
55	Zurhaar, Cameron	NM	2017-2021
41	Larkey, Nick	NM	2017-2021
29	Jones, Chayce	Ad	2019-2021
25	McAdam, Shane	Ad	2020-2021
22	Mahony, Jack	NM	2020-2021
22	Himmelberg, Elliott	Ad	2018-2021
21	Sholl, Lachlan	Ad	2020-2021
21	Schoenberg, Harry	Ad	2020-2021
20	Young, Lachie	WB,NM	2019-2021
20	Taylor, Curtis	NM	2019-2021
20	McPherson, Andrew	Ad	2020-2021
20	McHenry, Ned	Ad	2020-2021

First game at MCG for players who played 2000-current

Game #	Player	Clubs	Career
56	Stevens, Koby	WC,WB,St	2010-2018
43	Amon, Karl	PA	2015-2021
42	Lynch, Quinten	WC,Co	2002-2013
41	Merrett, Daniel	Br	2005-2016
39	Cutler, Tom	Br,Es	2014-2021
36	MacPherson, Darcy	GC	2016-2021
36	Grover, Antoni	Fr	1999-2012
35	Lockett, Tony	St,Sy	1983-2002
31	Clurey, Tom	PA	2014-2021
31	Ingerson, Anthony	Ad,Me	1992-2001
31	Drummond, Josh	Br	2005-2012
30	Stiller, Cheynee	Br	2006-2012
30	Jericho, Luke	Ad	2004-2008
30	Green, Kasey	WC,NM	2000-2007

Is there a way to consolidate the data per team at any one time?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Is there a way to consolidate the data per team at any one time?

Not sure what you mean by "consolidate the data" and "per team". You mean a live view that updates weekly?

 

[Dirty Bird]

Say there's 10 players in 1 team who have yet to play there
Their totals are combined into 1

So just using your 3rd table
Jones 29
McAdam 25
Himmelberg 22
Scholl 21
Schoenberg 21
McPherson 20
McHenry 20

If the Crows played in the MCG this week the team total would be 118
I wonder what the highest is for a team

Just thinking this could be a shot at being broken in the near future by either North or Adelaide looking at that table.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Since 2000

Games​	Year​	Round​	Club	Players = 0​
203​	2021​	13​	Adel	12​
191​	2021​	12​	Adel	12​
175​	2021​	13​	N.M.	7​
174​	2021​	11​	N.M.	7​
169​	2021​	11​	Adel	11​
167​	2021​	10​	N.M.	7​
167​	2021​	9​	N.M.	8​
161​	2021​	9​	Adel	12​
159​	2021​	8​	N.M.	8​
157​	2021​	7​	N.M.	9​
155​	2011​	21​	G.C.	13​
147​	2011​	22​	G.C.	14​
145​	2021​	7​	Adel	12​
144​	2021​	10​	Adel	11​
143​	2021​	6​	N.M.	8​
139​	2021​	6​	Adel	11​
132​	2007​	14​	Bris	8​
131​	2007​	16​	Bris	7​
131​	2011​	19​	G.C.	13​
130​	2021​	8​	Adel	10​

All-time

Games​	Year​	Round​	Club	Players = 0​
750​	1947​	11​	Carl	17​
734​	1947​	9​	Carl	17​
703​	1947​	10​	Carl	17​
675​	1947​	8​	Carl	16​
647​	1946​	19​	Carl	16​
639​	1947​	7​	Carl	16​
621​	1946​	17​	Carl	17​
612​	1946​	18​	Carl	16​
605​	1946​	16​	Carl	17​
593​	1947​	5​	Carl	16​
588​	1946​	15​	Carl	17​
564​	1947​	6​	Carl	16​
558​	1947​	14​	Rich	16​
553​	1946​	11​	Carl	16​
526​	1947​	3​	Carl	15​
524​	1947​	13​	Rich	15​
524​	1946​	13​	Carl	16​
517​	1946​	14​	Carl	16​
508​	1946​	12​	Carl	16​
508​	1947​	4​	Carl	16​

Adelaide's 203 is the highest tally since 1961. The only higher total prior to 1940 was a solitary game in 1897 (Essendon Round 13).

 

[emuboy]

When Port Adelaide thumped the Gold Coast by 50-points today, it was Port's 12th straight win over the Suns, a sequence dating back over 10 years to 2011. Like today, many of the games have been decided by big margins.

Somewhat ironically, the Gold Coast beat the Power in their first encounter at Football Park in Adelaide a decade ago, this the Suns' first ever win in the AFL.

Are there any other examples of records like this, expansion teams beating an opponent in their first year and then not beating them again for many years after? There's lots of cases where teams have taken a long time to beat a particular opponent, for example the Brisbane Bears were unable to beat fellow 1987 expansion team the West Coast Eagles until 1996, the Bears' 10th (and last) season before the merger with Fitzroy to became the Brisbane Lions in 1997. The Gold Coast were unable to beat Adelaide until 2020. But I can't think of any records like the strange one between the Power and Suns.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Are there any other examples of records like this, expansion teams beating an opponent in their first year and then not beating them again for many years after?

North Melbourne beat Geelong by 8 points at Corio Oval in its first ever VFL match in 1925 before losing its next 23 against the Cats. Their next win was in 1939.

Gold Coast/Port Adelaide is a clear second.

Three teams lost their next 8 after winning their first encounter:
Brisbane/Melbourne
St.Kilda/Richmond*
Western Bulldogs/West Coast*

Next best is 4:
Collingwood/Port Adelaide*
Fremantle/Geelong
Gold Coast/Brisbane
GWS/Gold Coast
GWS/Port Adelaide
North Melbourne/Western Bulldogs**

* against expansion clubs
** both new clubs

 

[Cuzz09]

most disposals without a Brownlow vote?

Cousins got 39 and a goal rd22 2001 but I dont think got a vote due to a 112 point loss to port.

I think there was a Greg Williams one in 93 too

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[iluvparis]

most disposals without a Brownlow vote?

Cousins got 39 and a goal rd22 2001 but I dont think got a vote due to a 112 point loss to port.

I think there was a Greg Williams one in 93 too

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I feel like Barry Mitchell got a ton of these games - https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/B/Barry_Mitchell.html

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1991/011619910721.html - zero votes in his career high 46 possy game

 

[Ron The Bear]

most disposals without a Brownlow vote?

Disposals	Goals	Player	Club	Year	Round	Opp	Result	Margin
50	1	Shaw, Tony	Coll	1991	5	Bris	W	22
48	2	Malaxos, Steve	W.C.	1987	22	St.K	W	88
47	1	Crouch, Matt	Adel	2019	23	W.B.	L	34
46	2	Mitchell, Barry	Syd	1991	18	Adel	W	4
46	1	Mitchell, Tom	Haw	2018	9	Bris	L	56
45	0	Priddis, Matt	W.C.	2008	14	Haw	L	57
45	0	Boyd, Matthew	W.B.	2011	5	Frem	L	7
44	0	Harvey, Robert	St.K	1992	2	W.B.	L	32
44	1	McDermott, Chris	Adel	1992	20	Rich	W	110
44	0	McDermott, Chris	Adel	1993	8	N.M.	W	2
44	1	Williams, Greg	Carl	1993	10	Melb	W	54
44	1	Bickley, Mark	Adel	1993	11	W.B.	W	45
44	1	Ratten, Brett	Carl	1995	17	Fitz	W	97
44	0	Bowden, Joel	Rich	2009	4	Melb	L	8
44	2	Bastinac, Ryan	N.M.	2012	2	GWS	W	129
44	0	Boyd, Matthew	W.B.	2012	7	N.M.	W	18
44	1	Mundy, David	Frem	2016	19	Syd	L	90
44	0	Oliver, Clayton	Melb	2019	2	Geel	L	80

 

[emuboy]

North Melbourne beat Geelong by 8 points at Corio Oval in its first ever VFL match in 1925 before losing its next 23 against the Cats. Their next win was in 1939.

Gold Coast/Port Adelaide is a clear second.

Three teams lost their next 8 after winning their first encounter:
Brisbane/Melbourne
St.Kilda/Richmond*
Western Bulldogs/West Coast*

Next best is 4:
Collingwood/Port Adelaide*
Fremantle/Geelong
Gold Coast/Brisbane
GWS/Gold Coast
GWS/Port Adelaide
North Melbourne/Western Bulldogs**

* against expansion clubs
** both new clubs

Some interesting statistics from this North vs. Geelong game:

1. North winning their debut game over Geelong is the only time that the Kangaroos have had a positive overall win-loss-draw record in the AFL/VFL.
2. Geelong won the 1925 premiership, North were second last.
3. In the return 1925 match at Arden Street, North's Fred Rutley was suspended for life, but this was later rescinded and he briefly returned in 1930.
4. The Kangaroos never again won at the Corio Bay Oval after this first up win at the venue, but developed a good record over Geelong at their new home ground Kardinia Park, winning there often in the mid 1940s after the Cats struggled upon returning after a World War 2 hiatus in 1942 and 1943. Today, the Kangaroos record against the Cats at Kardinia Park is a respectable 25-39, not bad considering Geelong have always been hard to beat at this ground.

 

[iluvparis]

After that stat looked up Carlton and we have a winning record at Kardinia Park (24-21) and an even record at Corio (20-20-1). Does any club have a winning record over Geelong at BOTH venues?