Stats questions

[footyfan1978]

longest quarter in footy ?

any longer than tonights game ?

lights out game in '96 3rd quarter ess v st k 3rd quarter stopped saturday night and continued on the tuesday night ??

Did not see last night's game. I think there was a quarter over 40 minutes between Carlton and Bulldogs in the 1980's. Crowd was on the ground as some big fight behind the goals and police I think had their work cut out, sorting it out in quick fashion.

Also, this very season, I turned up late to reserves match at Princes Park between Carlton and Brisbane. Looked at scoreboard when got in and we were around 13 goals and I assumed it was well into the second quarter. Turned out the quarter time siren had not gone yet. Think it went about 40 or 41 minutes.

 

[cricketnut14]

Did not see last night's game. I think there was a quarter over 40 minutes between Carlton and Bulldogs in the 1980's. Crowd was on the ground as some big fight behind the goals and police I think had their work cut out, sorting it out in quick fashion.

Also, this very season, I turned up late to reserves match at Princes Park between Carlton and Brisbane. Looked at scoreboard when got in and we were around 13 goals and I assumed in was well into the second quarter. Turned out the quarter time siren had not gone yet. Think it went about 40 or 41 minutes.

yeah last quarter last night went 59mins 29 secs - they went off for 30 mins coz of the lightning

 

[footyfan1978]

yeah last quarter last night went 59mins 29 secs - they went off for 30 mins coz of the lightning

Wow, totally missed it. That crazy.

 

[Rezza Tiger]

I think there was a quarter over 40 minutes between Carlton and Bulldogs in the 1980's. Crowd was on the ground as some big fight behind the goals and police I think had their work cut out, sorting it out in quick fashion.

Yep this one

 

[Ron The Bear]

I just saw that on the weekend Adelaide had 4 rookies playing

Is this a record?

ps. I would count players who started the year rookie listed before being promoted to the senior list as rookie listed player for that year.

Richmond fielded all six rookies in Round 9-11 last year - Aarts, Baker, Chol, Eggmolesse-Smith, Pickett, Stack.

 

[GrahamClayton]

Sydney scored 201, 236 and 198 in Rounds 16-18 of the 1987 VFL season. Is the 437 points in the first two games the record aggregate score by a team in consecutive VFL/AFL matches, and is the 635 points in all three games the record aggregate score by a team in three consecutive VFL/AFL matches? What are the aggregate records for 4 and 5 consecutive matches?

 

[GrahamClayton]

The 1957 VFL season was an unusually even one, and five of the twelve teams spent time on the bottom of the ladder.

Is this the record for the most number of teams to be on the bottom of the ladder in the same season?

 

[footyfan1978]

Sydney scored 201, 236 and 198 in Rounds 16-18 of the 1987 VFL season. Is the 437 points in the first two games the record aggregate score by a team in consecutive VFL/AFL matches, and is the 635 points in all three games the record aggregate score by a team in three consecutive VFL/AFL matches? What are the aggregate records for 4 and 5 consecutive matches?

There is no way any other team has scored 30 goals or more, three rounds in a row, so that is a clear record.
Also, the 635 is certainly the aggregate for three consecutive games. Geelong have highest scoring season on record in 1992 and hold it for four and five consecutive games in a row. Geelong 805 points for four games in a row that season.
953 for five games in a row from 5th April 1992. For six consecutive games Geelong scored 1134 starting from 5th of April in that 1992 season.


Geelong 1992 Season high scoring segment is below and then Swans 1987 season segment

Sunday, 5 April (2:10 pm)	Geelong 29.24 (198)	def.	Richmond 11.6 (72)	Kardinia Park (crowd: 22,122)
Sunday, 12 April (2:10 pm)	West Coast 15.17 (107)	def. by	Geelong 20.11 (131)	Subiaco Oval (crowd: 32,101)
	Bye: Geelong
Sunday, 26 April (2:10 pm)	Geelong 25.25 (175)	def.	Fitzroy 11.11 (77)	Kardinia Park (crowd: 22,062)
Sunday, 3 May (2:10 pm)	Brisbane Bears 11.9 (75)	def. by	Geelong 37.17 (239)	Carrara Oval (crowd: 7,645)
Geelong's score of 37.17 (239) against Brisbane Bears broke the record held by Fitzroy since 1979 for the highest score in VFL/AFL history.
Saturday, 9 May (2:10 pm)	Geelong 32.18 (210)	def.	Adelaide 12.15 (87)	Kardinia Park (crowd: 18,565)
Sunday, 16 May (2:10 pm)	Essendon 17.22 (124)	def. by	Geelong 28.13 (181)	MCG (crowd: 41,244)
1987 Sydney Swans
Friday, 26 June (7:40 pm)	Sydney 14.17 (101)	def.	Collingwood 10.14 (74)	SCG (crowd: 20,133)
Saturday, 4 July (2:10 pm)	Footscray 10.13 (73)	def. by	Sydney 16.10 (106)	Waverley Park (crowd: 27,075)
	Bye: Sydney
Sunday, 19 July (2:10 pm)	Sydney 30.21 (201)	def.	West Coast 10.11 (71)	SCG (crowd: 24,199)
At the SCG, Sydney recorded the club's highest score in a match. It marked the third time they had kicked 30 goals in a game, the previous time being in Round 13 of the 1982 VFL season against St Kilda.
Sunday, 26 July (2:10 pm)	Sydney 36.21 (236)	def.	Essendon 11.7 (73)	SCG (crowd: 23,009)
Friday, 31 July (7:40 pm)	Sydney 31.12 (198)	def.	Richmond 15.17 (107)	SCG (crowd: 17,157)

 

[Ron The Bear]

Is this the record for the most number of teams to be on the bottom of the ladder in the same season?

Six

2004 - Essendon (2), Geelong (1), Adelaide (1), Richmond (3), Collingwood (4), Hawthorn (11)
2019 - Essendon (1), Melbourne (3), North Melbourne (1), Sydney (1), Carlton (8), Gold Coast (9)

 

[GrahamClayton]

Geelong scored 449 points in consecutive games (239+210), 630 points in three consecutive games (239+210+181), 805 points in four consecutive games (175+239+210+181) and 953 points in five consecutive games (198+131+175+239+210)

 

[footyfan1978]

Geelong scored 449 points in consecutive games (239+210), 630 points in three consecutive games (239+210+181), 805 points in four consecutive games (175+239+210+181) and 953 points in five consecutive games (198+131+175+239+210)

They slackened off the next game, only scoring 181

 

[Ron The Bear]

Sydney scored 201, 236 and 198 in Rounds 16-18 of the 1987 VFL season. Is the 437 points in the first two games the record aggregate score by a team in consecutive VFL/AFL matches, and is the 635 points in all three games the record aggregate score by a team in three consecutive VFL/AFL matches? What are the aggregate records for 4 and 5 consecutive matches?

Two games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2
449	Geel	1992 R7-8	239	210
437	Syd	1987 R16-17	201	236
434	Syd	1987 R17-18	236	198
421	Geel	2011 R19-20	233	188
414	Geel	1992 R6-7	175	239
407	Geel	1989 R7-8	228	179
391	Geel	1989 R6-7	163	228
391	Geel	1992 R8-9	210	181
390	Geel	1989 R8-9	179	211
388	N.M.	1993 R5-6	159	229

Three games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2	S3
635	Syd	1987 R16-18	201	236	198
630	Geel	1992 R7-9	239	210	181
624	Geel	1992 R6-8	175	239	210
618	Geel	1989 R7-9	228	179	211
570	Geel	1989 R6-8	163	228	179
545	Geel	1992 R4-7	131	175	239
544	Geel	1989 R8-10	179	211	154
543	Syd	1987 R15-17	106	201	236
540	Haw	1986 R19-21	171	144	225
534	Geel	2011 R18-20	113	233	188
534	Rich	1942 R2-4	196	175	163

Four games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2	S3	S4
805	Geel	1992 R6-9	175	239	210	181
781	Geel	1989 R6-9	163	228	179	211
772	Geel	1989 R7-10	228	179	211	154
755	Geel	1992 R4-8	131	175	239	210
743	Geel	1992 R3-7	198	131	175	239
741	Syd	1987 R15-18	106	201	236	198
696	Geel	1992 R7-10	239	210	181	66
690	Syd	1987 R16-19	201	236	198	55
682	Geel	1989 R5-8	112	163	228	179
667	Geel	2011 R17-20	133	113	233	188

Five games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2	S3	S4	S5
953	Geel	1992 R3-8	198	131	175	239	210
936	Geel	1992 R4-9	131	175	239	210	181
935	Geel	1989 R6-10	163	228	179	211	154
893	Geel	1989 R5-9	112	163	228	179	211
871	Geel	1992 R6-10	175	239	210	181	66
861	Geel	1989 R7-11	228	179	211	154	89
848	Geel	1992 R2-7	105	198	131	175	239
842	Syd	1987 R14-18	101	106	201	236	198
825	Geel	1992 R7-11	239	210	181	66	129
800	Rich	1980 R5-9	199	88	180	138	195

 

[North park]

Two games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2
449	Geel	1992 R7-8	239	210
437	Syd	1987 R16-17	201	236
434	Syd	1987 R17-18	236	198
421	Geel	2011 R19-20	233	188
414	Geel	1992 R6-7	175	239
407	Geel	1989 R7-8	228	179
391	Geel	1989 R6-7	163	228
391	Geel	1992 R8-9	210	181
390	Geel	1989 R8-9	179	211
388	N.M.	1993 R5-6	159	229

Three games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2	S3
635	Syd	1987 R16-18	201	236	198
630	Geel	1992 R7-9	239	210	181
624	Geel	1992 R6-8	175	239	210
618	Geel	1989 R7-9	228	179	211
570	Geel	1989 R6-8	163	228	179
545	Geel	1992 R4-7	131	175	239
544	Geel	1989 R8-10	179	211	154
543	Syd	1987 R15-17	106	201	236
540	Haw	1986 R19-21	171	144	225
534	Geel	2011 R18-20	113	233	188
534	Rich	1942 R2-4	196	175	163

Four games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2	S3	S4
805	Geel	1992 R6-9	175	239	210	181
781	Geel	1989 R6-9	163	228	179	211
772	Geel	1989 R7-10	228	179	211	154
755	Geel	1992 R4-8	131	175	239	210
743	Geel	1992 R3-7	198	131	175	239
741	Syd	1987 R15-18	106	201	236	198
696	Geel	1992 R7-10	239	210	181	66
690	Syd	1987 R16-19	201	236	198	55
682	Geel	1989 R5-8	112	163	228	179
667	Geel	2011 R17-20	133	113	233	188

Five games

Points	Club	Rounds	S1	S2	S3	S4	S5
953	Geel	1992 R3-8	198	131	175	239	210
936	Geel	1992 R4-9	131	175	239	210	181
935	Geel	1989 R6-10	163	228	179	211	154
893	Geel	1989 R5-9	112	163	228	179	211
871	Geel	1992 R6-10	175	239	210	181	66
861	Geel	1989 R7-11	228	179	211	154	89
848	Geel	1992 R2-7	105	198	131	175	239
842	Syd	1987 R14-18	101	106	201	236	198
825	Geel	1992 R7-11	239	210	181	66	129
800	Rich	1980 R5-9	199	88	180	138	195

In 1942, Richmond opened the season with scores of 131, 196 and 175 points - an aggregate of 502 points in the first 3 games.

In 1981, Collingwood opened the season with scores of 159, 178 and 157 points - an aggregate of 494 points in the first 3 games.

Two questions:

Are these the two highest aggregates for the first 3 games to start a season?

Is Collingwood in 1981 the only team to score more than 150 points in each of the first 3 games to start a season?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Two questions:

Are these the two highest aggregates for the first 3 games to start a season?

Is Collingwood in 1981 the only team to score more than 150 points in each of the first 3 games to start a season?

Yes

Points	Club	Year	S1	S2	S3
502	Rich	1942 R1-3	131	196	175
494	Coll	1981 R1-3	159	178	157
476	Syd	1987 R1-3	165	187	124
471	W.C.	1988 R1-3	104	175	192
452	W.C.	2012 R1-3	136	166	150
449	Haw	1987 R1-3	149	155	145
447	Coll	1997 R1-3	166	163	118
447	P.A.	2004 R1-3	158	118	171
446	W.B.	1985 R1-3	142	134	170
437	Geel	1991 R2-4	130	117	190

 

[RedmanWasHere]

2020 aside, when was the last VFL/AFLM season where all clubs didn't register an average of 100+ for and 100+ against?

 

[worbod]

2020 aside, when was the last VFL/AFL season where all clubs didn't register an average of 100+ for and 100+ against?

Looks like 1965 is the answer. In this 18-rounds season the highest points-for total was 1573 by St Kilda giving them an average of 87.3 per game and the highest points-against total was 1742 by Hawthorn giving them an average of 96.7 per game.
2019 came close with no team averaging 100+ for and only bottom team Gold Coast averaging 100+ against.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Looks like 1965 is the answer. In this 18-rounds season the highest points-for total was 1573 by St Kilda giving them an average of 87.3 per game and the highest points-against total was 1742 by Hawthorn giving them an average of 96.7 per game.
2019 came close with no team averaging 100+ for and only bottom team Gold Coast averaging 100+ against.

Pretty bleak numbers.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Pretty bleak numbers.

Shhhh! Don't mention Steve Hocking's war!

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Shhhh! Don't mention Steve Hocking's war!

Sorry Buddha.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Anyone know where to get stats for spoils and smothers from a game? One percenters are the best I can find but they incorporate other stuff I'm not interested in like bumps.

And, does anyone know anywhere that shows quarter by quarter stat counts for players and teams from games? Best I have been able to find is this site (https://dream-stats.com/home) which actually has everything you could want, but I fear that that site is going to go under sometime in the near future! Surely they are getting their data from somewhere...

 

[Catsace]

In 1942, Richmond opened the season with scores of 131, 196 and 175 points - an aggregate of 502 points in the first 3 games.

In 1981, Collingwood opened the season with scores of 159, 178 and 157 points - an aggregate of 494 points in the first 3 games.

Two questions:

Are these the two highest aggregates for the first 3 games to start a season?

Is Collingwood in 1981 the only team to score more than 150 points in each of the first 3 games to start a season?

Maybe i should have felt a bit better about Geelong's 9.14.68 to 11.10.76 defeat as one of the over 41,000 squashed in at K.P in Round 4 then...the Pies being held to less than half their average at the time.


Similarly Geelong's rollicking run in 1992 was also ended by a game with a near identical scoreline, which i also attended....Geelong had scored 175, 239, 210 and 181 in the preceding 4 weeks, only for a wet day at Waverly and 5 goals to Daicos seeing the Pies hold Geelong to just 9.12.66, Collingwood winning with 12.9.81.

 

[JP2]

Hawthorn were 31 points up with 5:15 left in the last quarter and failed to win. Has there ever been a bigger margin chased down in such a small time?

 

[Catsace]

Watching the 'Geelong off-cuts Cup' between Brisbane and West Coast, the four ex-Cats have all scored a goal, being Jones, Vardy, Cockatoo and McCarthy. Might be a cooky and hard question to ask, but how many times would more than four ex-players of one club kicked a goal in another match?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Watching the 'Geelong off-cuts Cup' between Brisbane and West Coast, the four ex-Cats have all scored a goal, being Jones, Vardy, Cockatoo and McCarthy. Might be a cooky and hard question to ask, but how many times would more than four ex-players of one club kicked a goal in another match?

Record is 5

1909 R10 Un v Ca - ex Melbourne (Boynton Un 2, Ogilvie Un 1, Baquie Ca 2, Elliott Ca 1, Gardiner Ca 1)
1935 R12 Ha v NM - ex Carlton (Byrne Ha 5, Greene Ha 4, Maskell Ha 1, Egan NM 1, Jones NM 1)
1944 R4 Ge v Me - ex Geelong* (White Ge 3, Dougherty Ge 1, Leahy Ge 1, Nankervis Ge 1, Taylor Me 1)
1944 R5 Es v Ge - ex Geelong* (Abbott Es 2, Nankervis Ge 3, White Ge 2, Butcher Ge 1, Dougherty Ge 1)
1944 R10 Ge v NM - ex Geelong* (Dougherty Ge 3, Gniel Ge 1, Southern G1 1, Tucker Ge 1, White Ge 1)
1945 R3 NM v Ge - ex Geelong* (Dougherty Ge 2, White Ge 2, Nankervis Ge 1, Southern Ge 1, Toyne Ge 1)
1945 R15 Sy v Ge - ex Geelong* (Dougherty Sy 3, Grant Ge 2, Nankervis Ge 2, Toyne Ge 1, White Ge 1)
1945 R18 Ge v Es - ex Geelong* (Grant Ge 5, Gniel Ge 2, Nankervis Ge 2, Southern Ge 1, White Ge 1)
1987 R8 Br v Ri - ex Essendon (Banfield Br 2, Phillips Br 2, Raines Br 1, Richardson Br 1, Waterson Br 1)
1990 R1 Br v Ri - ex Collingwood (O'Brien Br 1, Richardson Br 1, Walsh Br 1, Williams Br 1, Cloke Ri 1)

* Geelong players temporarily moved to other clubs while the club was in wartime recess

 

[Ron The Bear]

Anyone know where to get stats for spoils and smothers from a game? One percenters are the best I can find but they incorporate other stuff I'm not interested in like bumps.

Bit fiddly but you can get spoils from the AFL site by opening a game, going into Player Stats, clicking My Stats and selecting spoils from near the bottom.

And, does anyone know anywhere that shows quarter by quarter stat counts for players and teams from games? Best I have been able to find is this site (https://dream-stats.com/home) which actually has everything you could want, but I fear that that site is going to go under sometime in the near future! Surely they are getting their data from somewhere...

I suspect they're doing some sort of screen capture from the AFL site at the quarter breaks. Don't know of anywhere else that has it.