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The Pies slid to 17th with their loss today, but still finished with a percentage of 85.6% – only(!) the 5th worst in the league.

I was wondering whether any team that has finished second bottom has had a higher percentage than 85.6%? And maybe as a bonus, what's the highest/lowest finishing percentage for each ladder position?

Thanks in advance
 
Might have already been asked

But what is Melb record like when they win the minor premiership - as in obviously going on and winning the flag

This year - 1st time since 64 - when they were minor premiers ( and won the flag )
 
Goggin Our Best said:
Might have already been asked

But what is Melb record like when they win the minor premiership - as in obviously going on and winning the flag

This year - 1st time since 64 - when they were minor premiers ( and won the flag )
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Between 1955 and 1964, Melbourne were minor premiers 7 times - 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960 and 1964.

They went on to win the flag in 6 of those years. The exception was 1958 where they lost the Grand Final to Collingwood despite being overwhelming favourites.

So they do have a good record of converting minor premierships into premierships.
 
On Anzac Day, Collingwood and Essendon played in front of 78,113 fans at the MCG. On Sunday, they played in front of no crowd.

I think this would have to be the largest crowd differential for two teams meeting in the same season (home & away games only).

The largest I could find where there were crowds at both games was Collingwood v Hawthorn in 1981.

There were 92,935 fans at the first meeting at Waverley Park on Queens Birthday (the largest crowd ever there) and 26,680 fans at the next meeting at Victoria Park in Round 21. That is a difference of 66,255.

Are there any other larger crowd differentials?
 

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North park said:
Between 1955 and 1964, Melbourne were minor premiers 7 times - 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960 and 1964.

They went on to win the flag in 6 of those years. The exception was 1958 where they lost the Grand Final to Collingwood despite being overwhelming favourites.

So they do have a good record of converting minor premierships into premierships.
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No minor premier has failed to reach preliminary final weekend.

ClubMPPremiersGFPrelim
Ad211
Ca171142
Co19982
Es171151
Fr11
Ge14644
Ha963
Me981
NM422
PA413
Ri9531
St33
Sy927
WC321
Fi431
124644317
 
North park said:
Between 1955 and 1964, Melbourne were minor premiers 7 times - 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960 and 1964.
They went on to win the flag in 6 of those years. The exception was 1958 where they lost the Grand Final to Collingwood despite being overwhelming favourites.
So they do have a good record of converting minor premierships into premierships.
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Id call that a great/outstanding record

7 Minor Premierships for 6 flags

See if Melb win the flag this year ( and maybe a couple more ) then that great history/record/era will be brought to the surface again - and discussed - and rightfully so - where as unfortunately its been largely forgotten/ignored/wiped - especially by neutrals

If they have another great era - then those 7 ( flag winning years you listed ) - neutral supporters will know them off by heart - because they will be mentioned that many times
 
Goggin Our Best said:
Id call that a great/outstanding record

7 Minor Premierships for 6 flags

See if Melb win the flag this year ( and maybe a couple more ) then that great history/record/era will be brought to the surface again - and discussed - and rightfully so - where as unfortunately its been largely forgotten/ignored/wiped - especially by neutrals

If they have another great era - then those 7 ( flag winning years you listed ) - neutral supporters will know them off by heart - because they will be mentioned that many times
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I often think about things in terms of time where i look at it from a perspective of 'if i was such and such an age' at the time. When i started watching footy in the mid-late 70's, i mean the Dees great record was at that stage merely 20-odd years earlier...i mean that's now in the vicinity of the Lion's three-peat now. 1964 was only as long ago when i was 10 as the Cats '07 Flag is now. But despite TV starting in 1956, i think the Dees suffered from just doing all this before footy really got into things, the first non-newsreel footage of a GF was 1966, and i think everyone of my age (53) would have gorged themselves on numerous Footy marathon replays of say the Tigers, Blues, North and Hawthorn Flags in the later 60's and 70's.

But there's no real footage of the Dees exploits less than 10 years earlier and i reckon it just put that great era more quickly out of the minds of fans of a particular age. Unless you were say around 75 y/o and remember watching the games live at the ground or reading the news of the era in print, it got lost in the archives in just this strange circumstantial way.

The Dees actually until the Hawks glorious last 50 years had an amazing conversion of top of the table finishes for Flags, and a magnificent Grand Final win percentage, i think around 75% until '88 and 2000. But due to the advent of TV's coverage not really getting into gear until the later 60's re footy, unless you were around in that time, it just faded quickly.
 
Goggin Our Best said:
See if Melb win the flag this year ( and maybe a couple more ) then that great history/record/era will be brought to the surface again - and discussed - and rightfully so - where as unfortunately its been largely forgotten/ignored/wiped - especially by neutrals
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It's a shame for Melbourne that the beginning of the TV era also marked the end of their success.
 
Ron The Bear said:
Bit fiddly but you can get spoils from the AFL site by opening a game, going into Player Stats, clicking My Stats and selecting spoils from near the bottom.

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I suspect they're doing some sort of screen capture from the AFL site at the quarter breaks. Don't know of anywhere else that has it.
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Thanks a lot man! That's one thing sorted with the spoils! Maybe they'll add the smothers in next year! Now to grab the stuff I need before they potentiality wipe it like they did with the other stuff prior to this season.
 
Milang_Panthers said:
With Melbourne winning their first minor premiership since 1964 I was wondering what the longest current minor premiership droughts are? Cheers.
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In terms of years:

96 Western Bulldogs 1925-present
83 Fitzroy 1913-1996
68 St. Kilda 1897-1965
57 Melbourne 1964-2021
51 South/Sydney 1945-1996
42 Melbourne 1897-1939
36 Hawthorn 1925-1961
36 Collingwood 1930-1966
36 Richmond 1982-2018
33 Collingwood 1977-2010
32 St. Kilda 1965-1997


If you wish to classify Brisbane Bears and Brisbane Lions as one entity, they have never headed the ladder since the inception of a Brisbane team in 1987. Apart from the Bulldogs the other minor premiership droughts dating back to the 20th century go to Carlton in 1995 and North Melbourne in 1998.
 

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Max Gawn has played 156 games for 5 AAs, an average of one AA guernsey per 31.2 games. Has anyone ever had a better average than that?
 
Ron The Bear said:
Richmond fielded all six rookies in Round 9-11 last year - Aarts, Baker, Chol, Eggmolesse-Smith, Pickett, Stack.
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Were they all rookies in 2020, or at some point in their career?

The 4 with Adelaide are all rookies this year.
 
JP2 said:
Max Gawn has played 156 games for 5 AAs, an average of one AA guernsey per 31.2 games. Has anyone ever had a better average than that?
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Gawn is the quickest to 5 AA's under the modern format (since 1991).

1 - Andrew McKay, Nigel Smart (20)
2 - Ben Hart (41)
3 - Peter Matera (95)
4 - Jeremy McGovern (124)
5 - Max Gawn (156)
6 - Nathan Buckley (183)
7 - Robert Harvey (220)
8 - Patrick Dangerfield (265)
 
LionsOrDieTrion said:
With Brisbane making the top 4 after being 0-3, when was the last time this happened (if at all)?
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Brisbane started the season with a 1-2 record after winning their Round 3 game by 1 point with a goal after the siren.

The teams to start 2021 with a 0-3 record were GWS and North Melbourne.

GWS finished seventh on the ladder at the end of the season while North Melbourne finished last.
 

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With the introduction of the medical sub in 2021, we may see the situation of a player winning a premiership medal without appearing on the ground in the Grand Final.

Are there any instances of a player winning a premiership medal without having any game time in the Grand Final? (ignore Leon Davis in 2010 - I know he played in the Grand Final but not the Replay and received a premiership medal).
 
North park said:
Are there any instances of a player winning a premiership medal without having any game time in the Grand Final? (ignore Leon Davis in 2010 - I know he played in the Grand Final but not the Replay and received a premiership medal).
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/159979/comment-should-everyone-receive-a-premiership-medal

Premiership medals were presented by the winning club up to 1977, where the VFL assumed responsibility for the first televised grand final. Certainly, the article mentions Mike Green in 1967, and blueseum.org mentions that Bortolotto can be seen running the victory lap wearing his tracksuit top, which suggests he didn't get a run. Other articles mention that Kevin Billing never got on the ground in 1966.

It is likely to have been more common in the distant past when players were reluctant to leave the field unless carried off!

Players with zero stats since 1965

1966 Kevin Billing**
1967 Michael Green**
1969 Rex Hunt*
1973 Craig McKellar*
1974 Brian Roberts*
1976 Leon Rice?
1978 Michael McCarthy?
1981 Mario Bortolotto?
1999 Cameron Mooney*
2002 Beau McDonald*, Aaron Shattock*

* definitely spent time on the ground
** benched entire match
? not sure
 
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adammania9 said:
Not a single 200 gamer out there today I heard. Is that as rare in a final as it sounds?
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First time since 1997 (WB v Ad prelim).

Last time not involving an expansion club was 1989 (Ge v Me semi).

18 finals 1965-89
55 finals 1940-64
60 finals 1915-39

There was at least one every year from 1897-1936.
 

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