What is the biggest combined margin in Prelim finals?
I feel like we are going to be pretty close here
Essendon beat Pies in 1984 by 144 points.... One prelim final?
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What is the biggest combined margin in Prelim finals?
I feel like we are going to be pretty close here
sorry i meant the combined margins of both Prelim finals.Essendon beat Pies in 1984 by 144 points.... One prelim final?
sorry i meant the combined margins of both Prelim finals.
so 83 + whatever the final margin is tonight
Cheers for that - just got there then154 - 2021
151 - 1995
133 - 1984 (one game)
105 - 2018
98 - 1998
97 - 2017
95 - 2000
94 1989 (one game)
92 - 2007
88 - 2003
Per SirSwampThing on twitterThis question was asked by emuboy on the main forum.
With Bevo having played for both teams in the 2021 Grand Final, what other previous coaches have coached a Grand Final involving teams they played for?
I'm confused (from Stats Observations just the other day)!!:This question was asked by emuboy on the main forum.
With Bevo having played for both teams in the 2021 Grand Final, what other previous coaches have coached a Grand Final involving teams they played for?
I know, I know.I'm confused (from Stats Observations just the other day)!!:
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Player | Club | Year | Round | Opp | Result |
Graham, Johnny A. | Ess | 1897 | 1 | Geel | W |
McCormick, Bob | Ess | 1897 | 1 | Geel | W |
White, Jim A. | Ess | 1897 | 5 | St.K | W |
Tulloch, Jim | Fitz | 1898 | 1 | Ess | L |
Hay, Ced | Melb | 1900 | 3 | Carl | L |
Riggall, Harold | Melb | 1900 | 3 | Carl | L |
Byers, Bobby | Ess | 1901 | 1 | Coll | L |
Ward, George H. | Ess | 1901 | 1 | Coll | L |
Morris, Mick | Ess | 1901 | 4 | Geel | L |
Evans, Mark | Ess | 1901 | 4 | Geel | L |
Wilmot, Percy | Coll | 1903 | 3 | St.K | W |
McKean, Jim | Coll | 1903 | 7 | Ess | W |
Blair, Jim | Coll | 1903 | 9 | Syd | W |
Gibson, Harvey | Carl | 1906 | 9 | St.K | W |
Harry, William | Carl | 1906 | 11 | Coll | W |
Wheeler, Alf | Carl | 1907 | S3 | Melb | W |
Carmody, Bill B. | Carl | 1908 | 7 | Geel | W |
Moore, Herbert | Syd | 1909 | 1 | Geel | W |
Richardson, Jack E. | Syd | 1909 | 7 | Ess | W |
McDougall, Bertie | Coll | 1910 | 1 | Carl | L |
Campbell, Sam | Coll | 1910 | 1 | Carl | L |
Harper, Ned | Coll | 1910 | 7 | Rich | W |
Crisp, Roy | Coll | 1910 | 13 | Ess | W |
Masters, Edgar | Ess | 1911 | 12 | Melb | W |
Jones, Jimmy W. | Ess | 1911 | 14 | Univ | W |
Munro, Don | Fitz | 1913 | 2 | St.K | L |
Lynch, Roland | Fitz | 1913 | 10 | Univ | W |
Harrison, Arthur E. | Carl | 1914 | 1 | Coll | D |
Gibaud, Bill | Fitz | 1916 | 4 | Carl | L |
O'Keefe, Frank | Fitz | 1916 | 5 | Rich | L |
Reeves, Bill | Fitz | 1916 | 8 | Rich | L |
Walker, Harold P. | Fitz | 1916 | 11 | Rich | L |
Cross, Harrie | Coll | 1917 | 13 | Fitz | W |
Ryan, Mick J.S. | Syd | 1918 | 7 | Rich | W |
Tuck, Charlie | Rich | 1920 | 8 | St.K | W |
James, Billy R. | Rich | 1920 | GF | Coll | W |
Hanley, Eddie | Rich | 1921 | 4 | Geel | L |
O'Hehir, George | Rich | 1921 | 12 | Fitz | L |
Chalmers, Percy | Fitz | 1922 | 2 | Carl | L |
Dalitz, Alwin | Fitz | 1922 | 18 | Melb | W |
Pie, Bruce | Melb | 1926 | 2 | Carl | L |
Kent, Cyril | Coll | 1928 | 5 | St.K | W |
Boag, Tommy | Coll | 1935 | 1 | Syd | W |
Gray, Eddie | Coll | 1935 | 10 | Rich | W |
Kanngieser, George | Coll | 1935 | 16 | Melb | D |
McCann, Ron | Coll | 1936 | 8 | W.B. | W |
Watkins, Les | Carl | 1938 | 18 | St.K | W |
Symonds, Derek | Melb | 1939 | 13 | Ess | L |
Stammers, Fred | Rich | 1943 | 2 | Coll | W |
Nutter, Alan | Rich | 1943 | 8 | Haw | W |
Giles, Jack | Rich | 1943 | 12 | Fitz | L |
McGillivray, Mal | Ess | 1950 | 18 | St.K | W |
Richardson, Merv | Geel | 1952 | 2 | W.B. | W |
Ellis, Lindsay | W.B. | 1954 | 1 | St.K | L |
Byrne, C. Bill | Melb | 1957 | 1 | Fitz | L |
Beckwith, Keith | Coll | 1958 | 18 | N.M. | L |
Baker, Peter | Melb | 1960 | 12 | N.M. | W |
Athorne, Wayne | Haw | 1961 | 10 | Carl | W |
Lieschke, Bill | Ess | 1962 | 17 | W.B. | L |
Murphy, Pat M. | St.K | 1966 | 10 | Coll | L |
Croft, Graham | St.K | 1966 | 14 | N.M. | W |
Jacks, David | Rich | 1967 | 11 | Syd | W |
Bradshaw, Darren | Bris | 2002 | 15 | Rich | W |
Wanganeen, Derick | Haw | 2014 | 1 | Bris | W |
Lowden, Luke | Haw | 2014 | 12 | W.C. | W |
Collins, Kieran | W.B. | 2016 | 9 | GWS | L |
^^
Player Club Year Round Opp Result Graham, Johnny A. Ess 1897 1 Geel W McCormick, Bob Ess 1897 1 Geel W White, Jim A. Ess 1897 5 St.K W Tulloch, Jim Fitz 1898 1 Ess L Hay, Ced Melb 1900 3 Carl L Riggall, Harold Melb 1900 3 Carl L Byers, Bobby Ess 1901 1 Coll L Ward, George H. Ess 1901 1 Coll L Morris, Mick Ess 1901 4 Geel L Evans, Mark Ess 1901 4 Geel L Wilmot, Percy Coll 1903 3 St.K W McKean, Jim Coll 1903 7 Ess W Blair, Jim Coll 1903 9 Syd W Gibson, Harvey Carl 1906 9 St.K W Harry, William Carl 1906 11 Coll W Wheeler, Alf Carl 1907 S3 Melb W Carmody, Bill B. Carl 1908 7 Geel W Moore, Herbert Syd 1909 1 Geel W Richardson, Jack E. Syd 1909 7 Ess W McDougall, Bertie Coll 1910 1 Carl L Campbell, Sam Coll 1910 1 Carl L Harper, Ned Coll 1910 7 Rich W Crisp, Roy Coll 1910 13 Ess W Masters, Edgar Ess 1911 12 Melb W Jones, Jimmy W. Ess 1911 14 Univ W Munro, Don Fitz 1913 2 St.K L Lynch, Roland Fitz 1913 10 Univ W Harrison, Arthur E. Carl 1914 1 Coll D Gibaud, Bill Fitz 1916 4 Carl L O'Keefe, Frank Fitz 1916 5 Rich L Reeves, Bill Fitz 1916 8 Rich L Walker, Harold P. Fitz 1916 11 Rich L Cross, Harrie Coll 1917 13 Fitz W Ryan, Mick J.S. Syd 1918 7 Rich W Tuck, Charlie Rich 1920 8 St.K W James, Billy R. Rich 1920 GF Coll W Hanley, Eddie Rich 1921 4 Geel L O'Hehir, George Rich 1921 12 Fitz L Chalmers, Percy Fitz 1922 2 Carl L Dalitz, Alwin Fitz 1922 18 Melb W Pie, Bruce Melb 1926 2 Carl L Kent, Cyril Coll 1928 5 St.K W Boag, Tommy Coll 1935 1 Syd W Gray, Eddie Coll 1935 10 Rich W Kanngieser, George Coll 1935 16 Melb D McCann, Ron Coll 1936 8 W.B. W Watkins, Les Carl 1938 18 St.K W Symonds, Derek Melb 1939 13 Ess L Stammers, Fred Rich 1943 2 Coll W Nutter, Alan Rich 1943 8 Haw W Giles, Jack Rich 1943 12 Fitz L McGillivray, Mal Ess 1950 18 St.K W Richardson, Merv Geel 1952 2 W.B. W Ellis, Lindsay W.B. 1954 1 St.K L Byrne, C. Bill Melb 1957 1 Fitz L Beckwith, Keith Coll 1958 18 N.M. L Baker, Peter Melb 1960 12 N.M. W Athorne, Wayne Haw 1961 10 Carl W Lieschke, Bill Ess 1962 17 W.B. L Murphy, Pat M. St.K 1966 10 Coll L Croft, Graham St.K 1966 14 N.M. W Jacks, David Rich 1967 11 Syd W Bradshaw, Darren Bris 2002 15 Rich W Wanganeen, Derick Haw 2014 1 Bris W Lowden, Luke Haw 2014 12 W.C. W Collins, Kieran W.B. 2016 9 GWS L
Jack Giles, Merv Richardson and Bill Byrne also notable among this group because they stayed on the bench all day and never had any playing time at all on field.^^
Player Club Year Round Opp Result Graham, Johnny A. Ess 1897 1 Geel W McCormick, Bob Ess 1897 1 Geel W White, Jim A. Ess 1897 5 St.K W Tulloch, Jim Fitz 1898 1 Ess L Hay, Ced Melb 1900 3 Carl L Riggall, Harold Melb 1900 3 Carl L Byers, Bobby Ess 1901 1 Coll L Ward, George H. Ess 1901 1 Coll L Morris, Mick Ess 1901 4 Geel L Evans, Mark Ess 1901 4 Geel L Wilmot, Percy Coll 1903 3 St.K W McKean, Jim Coll 1903 7 Ess W Blair, Jim Coll 1903 9 Syd W Gibson, Harvey Carl 1906 9 St.K W Harry, William Carl 1906 11 Coll W Wheeler, Alf Carl 1907 S3 Melb W Carmody, Bill B. Carl 1908 7 Geel W Moore, Herbert Syd 1909 1 Geel W Richardson, Jack E. Syd 1909 7 Ess W McDougall, Bertie Coll 1910 1 Carl L Campbell, Sam Coll 1910 1 Carl L Harper, Ned Coll 1910 7 Rich W Crisp, Roy Coll 1910 13 Ess W Masters, Edgar Ess 1911 12 Melb W Jones, Jimmy W. Ess 1911 14 Univ W Munro, Don Fitz 1913 2 St.K L Lynch, Roland Fitz 1913 10 Univ W Harrison, Arthur E. Carl 1914 1 Coll D Gibaud, Bill Fitz 1916 4 Carl L O'Keefe, Frank Fitz 1916 5 Rich L Reeves, Bill Fitz 1916 8 Rich L Walker, Harold P. Fitz 1916 11 Rich L Cross, Harrie Coll 1917 13 Fitz W Ryan, Mick J.S. Syd 1918 7 Rich W Tuck, Charlie Rich 1920 8 St.K W James, Billy R. Rich 1920 GF Coll W Hanley, Eddie Rich 1921 4 Geel L O'Hehir, George Rich 1921 12 Fitz L Chalmers, Percy Fitz 1922 2 Carl L Dalitz, Alwin Fitz 1922 18 Melb W Pie, Bruce Melb 1926 2 Carl L Kent, Cyril Coll 1928 5 St.K W Boag, Tommy Coll 1935 1 Syd W Gray, Eddie Coll 1935 10 Rich W Kanngieser, George Coll 1935 16 Melb D McCann, Ron Coll 1936 8 W.B. W Watkins, Les Carl 1938 18 St.K W Symonds, Derek Melb 1939 13 Ess L Stammers, Fred Rich 1943 2 Coll W Nutter, Alan Rich 1943 8 Haw W Giles, Jack Rich 1943 12 Fitz L McGillivray, Mal Ess 1950 18 St.K W Richardson, Merv Geel 1952 2 W.B. W Ellis, Lindsay W.B. 1954 1 St.K L Byrne, C. Bill Melb 1957 1 Fitz L Beckwith, Keith Coll 1958 18 N.M. L Baker, Peter Melb 1960 12 N.M. W Athorne, Wayne Haw 1961 10 Carl W Lieschke, Bill Ess 1962 17 W.B. L Murphy, Pat M. St.K 1966 10 Coll L Croft, Graham St.K 1966 14 N.M. W Jacks, David Rich 1967 11 Syd W Bradshaw, Darren Bris 2002 15 Rich W Wanganeen, Derick Haw 2014 1 Bris W Lowden, Luke Haw 2014 12 W.C. W Collins, Kieran W.B. 2016 9 GWS L
Jack Giles, Merv Richardson and Bill Byrne also notable among this group because they stayed on the bench all day and never had any playing time at all on field.
Thinking about one game players, one at the other end of the scale.
There have obviously one game players for teams that finished last, but are there any players whose first and only league appearance for a team that collected the wooden spoon that season was a win?
Player | Club | Year | Round | Opp | Result | Margin | Teams |
Richards, Chris | Syd | 1903 | 1 | Melb | W | 7 | 8 |
Marshall, Jim | St.K | 1904 | 1 | Melb | W | 46 | 8 |
Bolton, Charles | Ess | 1907 | 9 | Melb | W | 15 | 8 |
Collopy, Will | Rich | 1916 | 8 | Fitz | W | 10 | 4 |
Taylor, Jim | Ess | 1918 | 2 | St.K | W | 7 | 8 |
Bates, Jimmy | Ess | 1933 | 2 | St.K | W | 13 | 12 |
Parker, Frank | Haw | 1941 | 18 | Syd | W | 29 | 12 |
Slate, Rodney | St.K | 1952 | 19 | Fitz | W | 6 | 12 |
Player Club Year Round Opp Result Margin Teams Richards, Chris Syd 1903 1 Melb W 7 8 Marshall, Jim St.K 1904 1 Melb W 46 8 Bolton, Charles Ess 1907 9 Melb W 15 8 Collopy, Will Rich 1916 8 Fitz W 10 4 Taylor, Jim Ess 1918 2 St.K W 7 8 Bates, Jimmy Ess 1933 2 St.K W 13 12 Parker, Frank Haw 1941 18 Syd W 29 12 Slate, Rodney St.K 1952 19 Fitz W 6 12
What’s the longest time a player has had sole possession of the ball before kicking a goal in a VFL/AFL match? Mick McGuane had the ball for 17 seconds when kicking his famous goal against Carlton in 1994.
Is there any way to access past draft combine stats? Like a database of results ?
Fred Phillips (Hawthorn 1933) would be hard to beat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phillips_(footballer)Of full time senior coaches (not caretakers), who has the record for the shortest tenure between appointment and leaving the role?
I know of some coaches who did not complete a single season of their coaching tenure at a particular club. Malcolm Blight stepped down as North's playing coach in 1981 midway through the season and 20 years later was sacked as St Kilda's 2001 coach after just 15 games. Neither of Fitzroy's last two coaches in Bernie Quinlan (1995) and Michael Nunan (1996) saw out their seasons at the Lions, and each time caretaker Alan McConnell took over for the rest of the season. There is also the tragic case of the Adelaide Crows' 2015 coach Phil Walsh who died midway through that season.
However, I was wondering if there might have been a first year coach with an even fewer number of games before departure, maybe pre and during World War 1 or around World War 2?
Fred Phillips (Hawthorn 1933) would be hard to beat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phillips_(footballer)
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He was a star player recruited from St Kilda. Only 27 when he died. Definitely one of the biggest tragedies in the history of the VFL/AFL.Wow, I'd never heard of him. He died of blood poisoning possibly from the dye from his Hawthorn jumper getting into an open wound before coaching a single game for the Hawks.