Stats questions

[RogersResults]

Have any deceased players been born and died in years in which a team they played for won a premiership?

Ron could give you a list of players who were born in a premiership year of a team they were to play for. It'll be quite long I should think.

Death dates for most players have not been complied and published anywhere to my knowledge.

Here is a sample (incomplete) of Geelong players who died in Geelong Premiership years to give an idea of the numbers that could be involved. (None were born in Premiership years.)

Pender Jack 22/01/1937 Parkin Harry 06/07/1937 Reed Arthur 01/04/1951 Parkin Jack 19/08/1951 Baker Jack E. 18/01/1952 Smith Sid N. 27/02/1952 McKinley Bill 19/04/1952 Knell Jack 06/08/1952 Burns Peter C. 11/10/1952 Horman George 22/11/1952 Barling Bert 03/12/1952 Arbrew Jack 31/01/1963 Greeves Edward 15/04/1963 Manson Harold 23/04/1963 Wills Jim 14/05/2007 Pike George 19/09/2007 McGlynn Mick 24/09/2007 Sellwood Joe 18/10/2007 Long Doug 09/02/2009 Brown Kevin 10/04/2009 Patman Ralph 01/05/2009 Vinar Paul 18/05/2009 Finn Joe 01/06/2009 Hetherington Max 01/06/2009 Hunter Graham 01/06/2009 Brown Clive 11/11/2009 Leahy Pat 27/11/2009 Herbert Harry 19/01/2011 Ainsworth Geoff 02/02/2011 Davis Bob 16/05/2011 Harrip Ray 01/06/2011 Fisher Reg 01/06/2011 West Roy 22/11/2011

Bolded were Premiership players themselves.
782 men who played for Geelong were born before 1956. I have death dates for 337 of them.

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Is there a breakdown for Brownlow Medal winners' coaches? Just curious who is responsible for the most (I'm guessing Jeans, Reynolds, and Barassi are up there).

 

[Ron The Bear]

Is there a breakdown for Brownlow Medal winners' coaches? Just curious who is responsible for the most (I'm guessing Jeans, Reynolds, and Barassi are up there).

In order of medals won:

6 Ron Barassi - Greig (2), Blight, Wilson, Moore, Kelly
5 Jock McHale - Coventry, A.Collier, H.Collier, Whelan, Fothergill
5 Allan Jeans - Stewart (2), Smith, DiPierdomenico, Platten
4 Tom Hafey - Stewart, Moore, Williams, Healy
3 Alan Killigrew - Gleeson, Roberts, Teasdale
3 Mick Malthouse - Hardie, Buckley, Swan
3 Jack Baggott - Reynolds (2), Matthews

 

[Ron The Bear]

Ron could give you a list of players who were born in a premiership year of a team they were to play for. It'll be quite long I should think.

Death dates for most players have not been complied and published anywhere to my knowledge.

I've got 852 players born in a year in which a club they later player for, won the flag (not necessarily the club they are best remembered for, e.g. Mick Martyn, born in a Carlton premiership year).

As Rogers suggests, I'm yet to find a source for dates of death, other than the list for the previous year in recent editions of the AFL Record Season Guide. I'd added those to my database but my maintenance procedure cleared them all out, so can't help there.

 

[Ron The Bear]

You're expecting Bate to retire without another game this year?

If you'd asked me when Bailey was coach, I might've bet on it!

 

[Lord Nicholson]

In order of medals won:

6 Ron Barassi - Greig (2), Blight, Wilson, Moore, Kelly
5 Jock McHale - Coventry, A.Collier, H.Collier, Whelan, Fothergill
5 Allan Jeans - Stewart (2), Smith, DiPierdomenico, Platten
4 Tom Hafey - Stewart, Moore, Williams, Healy
3 Alan Killigrew - Gleeson, Roberts, Teasdale
3 Mick Malthouse - Hardie, Buckley, Swan
3 Jack Baggott - Reynolds (2), Matthews

Neat, thanks. Forgot that Reynolds won his before he was coach.

 

[St Oxley]

im looking for teams end of season results after a flogging in round 1.

what teams have made the top 4/8 after being in a 60+ point loss in round 1?

 

[RogersResults]

im looking for teams end of season results after a flogging in round 1.

what teams have made the top 4/8 after being in a 60+ point loss in round 1?

Since the introduction of the final 8. (Is that far back enough for you?)

Five teams have made the finals after losing their first match by 60 points or more.

Carlton 1994 (lost by 66 - eventual 2nd)
Geelong 1994 (lost by 65 - eventual 5th)
Sydney 1996 (lost by 90 - eventual 2nd)
Geelong 2004 (lost by 61 - eventual 4th)
Essendon 2004 (lost by 96 - eventual 6th)

RogersResults

 

[St Oxley]

thats perfect. thanks mate

 

[hawkman]

With the usual disclaimer (i.e. it may be complete cack) I make it 40 wins 13 losses and a draw for the team with a 6 day break (when the other team had more than 6) in 2011.


Alltime P 1449, W 710, L 721, D 18. Only happened once to 1979, in 1970.

Is there a trend going either way over the past say 10 years?

Also what are records of teams with two 6 day breaks in a row?

 

[*Paul*]

Doesn't appear to be much can be read into it.

 Year           W            L             D
 1979          2             1            
 1980          3             4            
 1981          6             3            
 1982          10            10           
 1983          5             10           
 1984          10            9            
 1985          8             12           
 1986          12            13           
 1987          12            17           
 1988          20            24            1 
 1989          15            21            1 
 1990          19            19           
 1991          22            27            1 
 1992          25            17            1 
 1993          15            24            1 
 1994          27            24            1 
 1995          33            21           
 1996          27            28            1 
 1997          40            25            1 
 1998          32            27           
 1999          29            31           
 2000          32            29            2 
 2001          23            31           
 2002          29            39            1 
 2003          30            34            1 
 2004          31            22           
 2005          18            21            1 
 2006          33            26            2 
 2007          29            29            1 
 2008          23            30           
 2009          17            40            1 
 2010          33            28           
 2011          40            23            1

Consecutive 6 dayers are comparatively rarer, 56 wins from 120 games.

 

[RogersResults]

Doesn't appear to be much can be read into it.

 Year           W            L             D
 1979          2             1            
 1980          3             4            
 1981          6             3            
 1982          10            10           
 1983          5             10           
 1984          10            9            
 1985          8             12           
 1986          12            13           
 1987          12            17           
 1988          20            24            1 
 1989          15            21            1 
 1990          19            19           
 1991          22            27            1 
 1992          25            17            1 
 1993          15            24            1 
 1994          27            24            1 
 1995          33            21           
 1996          27            28            1 
 1997          40            25            1 
 1998          32            27           
 1999          29            31           
 2000          32            29            2 
 2001          23            31           
 2002          29            39            1 
 2003          30            34            1 
 2004          31            22           
 2005          18            21            1 
 2006          33            26            2 
 2007          29            29            1 
 2008          23            30           
 2009          17            40            1 
 2010          33            28           
 2011          40            23            1

Consecutive 6 dayers are comparatively rarer, 56 wins from 120 games.

You'd have to add some sort of weighting on who played who at what stage of the season. It is assumed that a 7 day break is an advantage over a 6 day break but I wonder what sort of actual analysis has been done?

Might be like trying to find out why Collingwood's most common winning margin has been 19 points and Essendon's and Geelong's has been 6 points?

 

[red+black]

Possibly my first post in here for the year. I haven't even lurked so have a bit of reading to do. My question is regarding big crowds. We expect a big crowd tonight, and a bigger one tomorrow night. I want to know what are the 5 largest H&A crowds that were only the 2nd biggest for the weekend? I'd like the #1 and #2 attendances for the round, the teams involved, and the year/round.

 

[*Paul*]

2011   5  Collingwood v Essendon     89626  Hawthorn v Geelong            78579 
1996   7  Essendon v Geelong         75632  St Kilda v Collingwood        71663 
2010   5  Collingwood v Essendon     90070  Carlton v Geelong             71399 
2001   18  Carlton v Essendon        75873  Richmond v Collingwood        69930 
2009   1  Richmond v Carlton         87043  Hawthorn v Geelong            69564

 

[YOTC]

Are the stats gurus as upset at that last goal as I was?

 

[red+black]

So tonight's 78,285 will fall just 295 short of being the best 2nd-highest attended game of any round in history. Last 50k crowd for the weekend though.

What's the record for most 50k crowds in a round? And most 40k crowds?

 

[RogersResults]

So tonight's 78,285 will fall just 295 short of being the best 2nd-highest attended game of any round in history. Last 50k crowd for the weekend though.

What's the record for most 50k crowds in a round? And most 40k crowds?

50K + 3 in Rounds 11, 21 and 22 1998 (No Docklands is the clue.)

40K + 6 in Round 1 2007

 

[hawkman]

You'd have to add some sort of weighting on who played who at what stage of the season. It is assumed that a 7 day break is an advantage over a 6 day break but I wonder what sort of actual analysis has been done?

Might be like trying to find out why Collingwood's most common winning margin has been 19 points and Essendon's and Geelong's has been 6 points?

Maybe the higher rotations over the last couple of years has caused a turnaround, but as you say it depends on the quality of the opponents, when in the year it was played, if a team was coming off an interstate trip, if the majority were at home. Too many variables

 

[worbod]

I have noticed that Western Bulldogs have not had a player kick 10 goals in a match since Round 21, 1987, which is the current longest drought for any club, though Port Adelaide have played 347 games without producing a 10 goal player at all. The Bulldogs' drought is now 551 matches ago. What are some of the other longest game droughts between 10 goal hauls?
What are the records for each club?

 

[damuzzdu]

When was last time both Grand Finalists lost in the opening round of the following year?

 

[RogersResults]

When was last time both Grand Finalists lost in the opening round of the following year?

Round 1, 1999: Adelaide and Nth Melbourne lost.

Just entering it here:

(Posted tomorrow.)

 

[Ron The Bear]

What are some of the other longest game droughts between 10 goal hauls?

What are the records for each club?

Longest broken droughts:

Gms Cb Year Rd    Date    Player               G Previous Instance                      Days
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923 Me 1991 20  3/08/1991 Jakovich, Allen     11 1947 19 30/08/1947 Fanning, Fred   18 16044
757 Sy 1986  8 18/05/1986 Capper, Warwick     10 1948  8  5/06/1948 Graham, E. Jack 10 13861
755 Fi 1978  4 22/04/1978 Beecroft, Bob       10 1938 17 20/08/1938 Hughson, Fred   10 14490
693 Ri 1979 18  4/08/1979 Roach, Michael      10 1945  7  2/06/1945 Murray, Sel     10 12481
647 St 1971  8 22/05/1971 Davis, Allan        10 1936  6  6/06/1936 Mohr, Bill      11 12768
639 WB 1978 13  1/07/1978 Templeton, Kelvin   15 1946  5 18/05/1946 Grove, Ron      10 11732
477 Br 2007 16 22/07/2007 Brown, Jonathan     10 -
467 NM 1950 16 12/08/1950 Spencer, Jock       11 -
444 Ha 1968  1 15/04/1968 Hudson, Peter       10 1944  3 20/05/1944 Culpitt, Wally  10  8731
435 NM 1974 12 22/06/1974 Kekovich, Sam       10 1951 15 11/08/1951 Spencer, Jock   10  8351
429 Es 1923  1  5/05/1923 Stockdale, Greg     10 -
409 St 1922 17  9/09/1922 McNamara, Dave      10 -
384 Sy 1919 12 26/07/1919 Robertson, Harold   14 -
381 Me 1921 18 17/09/1921 Harker, Harry       10 -
355 Ri 1928  9  9/06/1928 Baggott, Jack       12 -
355 Ge 1921 14 20/08/1921 Rankin, Cliff       10 1899 RR  9/09/1899 McShane, Jim    11  8015
351 Ge 1988  4 25/04/1988 Ablett senior, Gary 10 1972 13  1/07/1972 Wade, Doug      11  5777

Current and record droughts for each club (* denotes current streak is club record):

Cb Gms Year Rd    Date    Player             G Rec Year Rd    Date    Player           G Previous Instance                    
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Ad 419*1994  1 27/03/1994 Modra, Tony       13
Br  97 2007 16 22/07/2007 Brown, Jonathan   10 477 as above
Ca 390*1995  3 15/04/1995 Kernahan, Stephen 10
Co 321*1998 10 31/05/1998 Rocca, Saverio    11
Es 186 2003 19 10/08/2003 Lloyd, Matthew    11 429 as above
Fr 273*1999 10  4/06/1999 Modra, Tony       10
Ge 414*1994 16  9/07/1994 Ablett snr, Gary  10
GC  23*                   -
WS   1*                   -
Ha 346 1996 22 31/08/1996 Dunstall, Jason   10 444 as above
Me 388 1994 SF 18/09/1994 Lyon, Garry       10 923 as above
NM 282 1999 17 24/07/1999 Carey, Wayne      10 467 as above
PA 347*                   -
Ri  33 2010 12 13/06/2010 Riewoldt, Jack    10 693 as above
St 127 2006 17 29/07/2006 Gehrig, Fraser    10 647 as above
Sy 315 1998 16 19/07/1998 Lockett, Tony     12 757 as above
WB 551 1987 21 23/08/1987 Beasley, Simon    10 639 as above
WC  17 2011  9 22/05/2011 Kennedy, Josh J.  10 242 2010 16 17/07/2010 LeCras, Mark    12 2000  6 15/04/2000 Cummings, Scott 10
Fi 267 1989 18  5/08/1989 Osborne, Richard  11 755 as above
Un 126*                   -

 

[red+black]

Three sides so far this round have scored 100+ yet lost. Last time this happened? Most sides to score 100+ in a round and lose? What would be the average number of games per H&A season where a side scores 100+ and loses?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Three sides so far this round have scored 100+ yet lost. Last time this happened? Most sides to score 100+ in a round and lose? What would be the average number of games per H&A season where a side scores 100+ and loses?

a) 2008 R9
b) 6, 1982 R10
c) most - 56, 1982
last time there were 0 occurrences in a season - 1963
average over past 10 seasons - 19.1 per season/10.23% of matches/one in every 9.75 matches

 

[hawkman]

Does anyone know of a site that lists the tribunal carryover points for each player?