Stats questions

[worbod]

After checking some newspaper reports, it does not seem as though there was a designated coach for Victoria against Bendigo in 1960. I think this side would have been a B team rather than a C team as the Victorian side who played Tasmania in 1960 played on June 13. The Bendigo game took place on June 25. The "Bendigo Advertiser" mentions that Bert Chadwick was manager of the side against Bendigo, with other officials including E. McCutchon, G. Huggins and E. Fordham. The captain, Neil Roberts, was mentioned in the match report.

 

[RogersResults]

After checking some newspaper reports, it does not seem as though there was a designated coach for Victoria against Bendigo in 1960. I think this side would have been a B team rather than a C team as the Victorian side who played Tasmania in 1960 played on June 13. The Bendigo game took place on June 25. The "Bendigo Advertiser" mentions that Bert Chadwick was manager of the side against Bendigo, with other officials including E. McCutchon, G. Huggins and E. Fordham. The captain, Neil Roberts, was mentioned in the match report.

That's a study in itself - the relative reluctance of the Victorian clubs to give up coaches to state games until ending the problem by appointing Bill Goggin in 1987 as full-time exclusive state coach.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

What's the greatest differential in 2 week consecutive quarter time scores?

 

[RogersResults]

What's the greatest differential in 2 week consecutive quarter time scores?

91 points if this is what you mean:

Essendon round 5 2011 quarter time 0.3-3
Essendon round 6 2011 quarter time 15.4-94

 

[red+black]

save me asking the questions, but in ref to wet toast's HT score?

 

[RogersResults]

In case anyone is wondering, 12 behinds is the second most scored to half time with no goals.

In round 7 1979 v Fitzroy, Hawthorn chalked up 0.14 to half time.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

91 points if this is what you mean:

Essendon round 5 2011 quarter time 0.3-3
Essendon round 6 2011 quarter time 15.4-94

Shit, didn't even realise we had a shit score the ANZAC Day before the destruction of Gold Coast.

If there are more superlatives then that's how I would be describing your awesomeness.

 

[red+black]

Can someone fill in this table?

[B][U]Best undefeated start to a season[/U][/B]

1 team : 20 wins; 2000 - Essendon
2 teams: 13 wins; 2009 - St Kilda, Geelong
3 teams:  4 wins; 2012*, 2008, 1991, 1988, 1965
4 teams: 
5 teams: 
6 teams:

 

[Ron The Bear]

In case anyone is wondering, 12 behinds is the second most scored to half time with no goals.

In round 7 1979 v Fitzroy, Hawthorn chalked up 0.14 to half time.

That jogged my memory!

 

[RogersResults]

Can someone fill in this table?

[B][U]Best undefeated start to a season[/U][/B]

1 team : 20 wins; 2000 - Essendon
2 teams: 13 wins; 2009 - St Kilda, Geelong
3 teams:  4 wins; 2012*, 2008, 1991, 1988, 1986, 1965
4 teams:  3 wins: 2012, 2008, 1991, 1988, 1986, 1965
5 teams: 3 wins 1995
6 teams: 2 wins 2010
7 teams: 2 wins 1995

Updated

 

[RogersResults]

That jogged my memory!

Priceless!

And they successfully defended their record despite the Eagles worst efforts!

 

[lamaros]

This might be a tricky one. What are the top 25 goal kickers for a five year period? (Ie, Lloyd 2000-2004 450 goals, Franklin 2007-2011 399 goals, Lockett 1991-1995 478, Dunstall 1988-1992 580, Dunstall 1992-1996 537, Ablett 1992-1996 516, Coleman 1949-53 495) The same player can appear twice.

 

[Ron The Bear]

This might be a tricky one. What are the top 25 goal kickers for a five year period? (Ie, Lloyd 2000-2004 450 goals, Franklin 2007-2011 399 goals, Lockett 1991-1995 478, Dunstall 1988-1992 580, Dunstall 1992-1996 537, Ablett 1992-1996 516, Coleman 1949-53 495) The same player can appear twice.

Gls Gms Player                Period  Club    Career  CGls CMa
--------------------------------------------------------------
598 101 Hudson, Peter       1967-1971 Ha    1967-1977  727 129
591 103 McKenna, Peter      1969-1973 Co,Ca 1965-1977  874 191
580 106 Dunstall, Jason     1988-1992 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
571 104 Dunstall, Jason     1989-1993 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
569  98 McKenna, Peter      1968-1972 Co,Ca 1965-1977  874 191
562 102 McKenna, Peter      1970-1974 Co,Ca 1965-1977  874 191
549  85 Hudson, Peter       1968-1972 Ha    1967-1977  727 129
537 103 Dunstall, Jason     1992-1996 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
534  99 Dunstall, Jason     1990-1994 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
529 107 Dunstall, Jason     1987-1991 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
524 111 Dunstall, Jason     1986-1990 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
517  98 Dunstall, Jason     1991-1995 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
516 102 Ablett senior, Gary 1992-1996 Ha,Ge 1982-1996 1030 248
511 101 Coventry, Gordon    1926-1930 Co    1920-1937 1299 306
499  95 Coventry, Gordon    1929-1933 Co    1920-1937 1299 306
497  95 Pratt, Bob          1932-1936 Sy    1930-1946  681 158
495  92 Coleman, John       1949-1953 Es    1949-1954  537  98
495  99 Coventry, Gordon    1927-1931 Co    1920-1937 1299 306
486  94 McKenna, Peter      1967-1971 Co,Ca 1965-1977  874 191
480  94 Coventry, Gordon    1930-1934 Co    1920-1937 1299 306
480  98 Coventry, Gordon    1928-1932 Co    1920-1937 1299 306
478  78 Lockett, Tony       1991-1995 St,Sy 1983-2002 1360 281
477 109 Dunstall, Jason     1985-1989 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
475  97 Ablett senior, Gary 1991-1995 Ha,Ge 1982-1996 1030 248
472  83 Lockett, Tony       1992-1996 St,Sy 1983-2002 1360 281

Best performances of the top 25 individual players:

Gls Gms Player                 Period Club    Career  CGls CMa
--------------------------------------------------------------
598 101 Hudson, Peter       1967-1971 Ha    1967-1977  727 129
591 103 McKenna, Peter      1969-1973 Co,Ca 1965-1977  874 191
580 106 Dunstall, Jason     1988-1992 Ha    1985-1998 1254 269
516 102 Ablett senior, Gary 1992-1996 Ha,Ge 1982-1996 1030 248
511 101 Coventry, Gordon    1926-1930 Co    1920-1937 1299 306
497  95 Pratt, Bob          1932-1936 Sy    1930-1946  681 158
495  92 Coleman, John       1949-1953 Es    1949-1954  537  98
478  78 Lockett, Tony       1991-1995 St,Sy 1983-2002 1360 281
458  99 Wade, Doug          1969-1973 Ge,NM 1961-1975 1057 267
450 108 Lloyd, Matthew      2000-2004 Es    1995-2009  926 270
431 114 Quinlan, Bernie     1981-1985 WB,Fi 1969-1986  817 366
409 107 Beasley, Simon      1984-1988 WB    1982-1989  575 154
408 106 Sumich, Peter       1990-1994 WC    1989-1997  514 150
406  97 Templeton, Kelvin   1976-1980 WB,Me 1974-1985  593 177
406 106 Longmire, John      1990-1994 NM    1988-1999  511 200
400 102 Modra, Tony         1993-1997 Ad,Fr 1992-2001  588 165
399 108 Franklin, Lance     2007-2011 Ha    2005-2012  462 146
392  82 Mohr, Bill          1932-1936 St    1929-1941  735 195
383  95 Titus, Jack         1934-1938 Ri    1926-1943  970 294
380 104 Fevola, Brendan     2005-2009 Ca,Br 1999-2010  623 204
374  96 Taylor, Brian       1984-1988 Ri,Co 1980-1990  527 140
369  84 Fanning, Fred       1943-1947 Me    1940-1947  411 104
368  85 Vallence, Harry     1931-1935 Ca    1926-1938  722 204
366 108 Gehrig, Fraser      2003-2007 WC,St 1995-2008  549 260
360 106 Roach, Michael      1979-1983 Ri    1977-1989  607 200

 

[worbod]

Looking at St. Kilda's current position on the ladder prompts the question: has it happened before that a team who was seventh on the ladder after four rounds also possessed a percentage exceeding 150?

 

[red+black]

^ It's not imperceivable that their percentage won't improve this weekend.

But they won't remain 7th, they'll move up to 5th or 6th.

Essendon could be 3rd with a percentage of 115.

St Kilda could be 6th with a percentage of 160+.

 

[lamaros]

Many thanks Ron. Top info!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Looking at St. Kilda's current position on the ladder prompts the question: has it happened before that a team who was seventh on the ladder after four rounds also possessed a percentage exceeding 150?

No. Previous highest was Carlton (130.32, 7th, 4-1-1-2) in 1914. Next was Western Bulldogs (129.59, 9th, 4-2-2-0) in 2011.

 

[RogersResults]

No. Previous highest was Carlton (130.32, 7th, 4-1-1-2) in 1914. Next was Western Bulldogs (129.59, 9th, 4-2-2-0) in 2011.

Only Collingwood in 1903 had a higher percentage (162.15%) on 2 wins and 2 losses than St Kilda does in 2012.

If last years progressive ladder was done on match/win percentage and not match points, Essendon in round 4 would have been 7th with a percentage of 131.97%. (The Bulldogs had only played 3 matches at that stage and would have been 5th with a match/win percentage of 66.67.)

 

[kosifantutti]

I believe that Trevor Barker has the unenviable record of most games played (230) without playing a final.

Who played the most number of games before their first final. Off the top of my head I thought Bob Skilton might do it. I think his first final was game 218. Has anyone beaten that?

Chris Newman wouldn't be far away from either record.

 

[red+black]

I believe that Trevor Barker has the unenviable record of most games played (230) without playing a final.

Chris Newman wouldn't be far away from either record.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#11

 

[red+black]

Can someone complete this table re games played on ANZAC Day prior to 1995? I don't think there are that many to be honest. First two years I could find were 1914 and 1960.

[B][U]Year  TM1   TM2   Att[/U][/B]
1914  Coll  Carl  n/a
1914  Geel  Ess   n/a
1914  Fitz  Melb  n/a
1914  StK   Rich  n/a
1914  Univ  SthM  n/a

 

[Ron The Bear]

Can someone complete this table re games played on ANZAC Day prior to 1995? I don't think there are that many to be honest. First two years I could find were 1914 and 1960.

Data for April 25 (bearing in mind Anzac Day wasn't celebrated Australia-wide until 1927):

Year R Ho Aw Crowd Venue
-------------------------------------------
1914 1 Un Sy  7578 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Co Ca       Victoria Park
       St Ri       Junction Oval
       Fi Me       Brunswick Street Oval
       Ge Es       Corio Oval
1960 2 St Me 32000 Junction Oval
       Fi Ca 33815 Brunswick Street Oval
1961 3 Es Me 32000 Windy Hill
       Ri Sy 27650 Punt Road Oval
1963 2 Me Ha 55293 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Sy Ri 25700 Lakeside Oval
1964 2 Ge Co 40299 Simonds Stadium
       St WB 33600 Junction Oval
       Fi Sy 17603 Brunswick Street Oval
       Ri Es 27300 Punt Road Oval
       NM Me 15914 Arden Street Oval
       Ha Ca 28000 Glenferrie Oval
1966 1 Me St 64930 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ca Ri 43018 Princes Park
       WB NM 24428 Whitten Oval
1968 3 Ri Ge 52115 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ca Es 35929 Princes Park
1969 4 Me Es 38327 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       St Ge 42954 Moorabbin Oval
1970 4 Me Fi 22909 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ge Co 35654 Simonds Stadium
       Ca NM 29987 Princes Park
       Sy WB 24022 Waverley Park
       Ha Es 19017 Glenferrie Oval
       St Ri 32147 Moorabbin Oval
1972 5 Ri Me 38154 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Es Ca 50367 Waverley Park
1973 4 Ri NM 48923 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       St Co 49699 Waverley Park
1974 4 NM Ca 54173 Waverley Park
       Fi Co 24471 Junction Oval
1975 4 Me St 35328 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ca Es 77770 Waverley Park
1977 4 Ri Co 92436 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Sy Ge 27136 Waverley Park
1978 5 Ri Me 34212 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       St Ge 43388 Waverley Park
1979 4 Me Ri 44708 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ha Sy 37276 Waverley Park
1980 5 Ri Fi 44401 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ge Ha 34498 Simonds Stadium
       Ca Me 60794 Waverley Park
1981 5 Ri Ge 46230 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ha NM 16116 Princes Park
       Es Fi 33465 Waverley Park
       Co Me 30096 Victoria Park
       Sy WB 12545 Lakeside Oval
       St Ca 32341 Moorabbin Oval
1983 5 Ri WB 51651 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ge Me 28591 Simonds Stadium
       Es NM 47722 Waverley Park
1984 5 Ri Es 55141 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ca Co 68082 Waverley Park
1985 5 Me Ca 53065 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       St Fi 20480 Waverley Park
1986 5 Me Sy 40117 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ca Es 68151 Waverley Park
       NM Ge 40117 Melbourne Cricket Ground
1987 5 Ri Sy 22154 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ge Fi 18236 Simonds Stadium
       Ha WC 10588 Princes Park
       Ca Es 56124 Waverley Park
       Co WB 22059 Victoria Park
1988 4 Ri Ge 27417 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       St Es 31679 Moorabbin Oval
1989 4 Ca Es 33074 Princes Park
       Ri Ha 41347 Waverley Park
1990 5 Ri Fi 23078 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ca WB 24960 Princes Park
1991 6 NM Sy 15664 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Co Me 55735 Waverley Park
1992 6 Es Me 41405 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ca St 34661 Princes Park
       Co Ha 72765 Waverley Park
1993 5 St Ca 51211 Waverley Park
       Br Ge 12996 Gabba
       Me Ad 17011 Melbourne Cricket Ground
1994 5 St Ri 37870 Waverley Park
1995 4 Co Es 94825 Melbourne Cricket Ground
1996 5 Es Co 87549 Melbourne Cricket Ground
1997 5 Es Co 83271 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Fr St 23504 Patersons Stadium
1998 5 Ha Br 22366 Waverley Park
       Co Es 81542 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Fr NM 26335 WACA
1999 5 Ad Sy 42641 AAMI Stadium
       Es Co 73118 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Fr Br 24044 Patersons Stadium
2000 7 Co Es 88390 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Fr Br 19800 Patersons Stadium
2001 5 Es Co 83905 Melbourne Cricket Ground
2002 5 Co Es 84894 Melbourne Cricket Ground
2003 5 Es Co 62589 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Sy Me 24286 Sydney Cricket Ground
2004 5 Co Es 57294 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Fr Ge 35021 Patersons Stadium
       PA WB 26839 AAMI Stadium
2005 5 Es Co 70033 Melbourne Cricket Ground
2006 4 Co Es 91234 Melbourne Cricket Ground
2007 5 Es Co 90508 Melbourne Cricket Ground
2008 6 Co Es 88999 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Fr Ge 38022 Patersons Stadium
2009 5 Es Co 84829 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ha WC 17880 Aurora Stadium
       Fr Sy 32884 Patersons Stadium
       NM Ri 29224 Etihad Stadium
2010 5 Co Es 90070 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Ha NM 16301 Aurora Stadium
       Fr Ri 38010 Patersons Stadium
2011 5 Es Co 89626 Melbourne Cricket Ground
       Fr WB 37551 Patersons Stadium
2012 5 Co Es       Melbourne Cricket Ground

 

[RogersResults]

Can someone complete this table re games played on ANZAC Day prior to 1995? I don't think there are that many to be honest. First two years I could find were 1914 and 1960.

[B][U]Year  TM1   TM2   Att[/U][/B]
1914  Coll  Carl  n/a
1914  Geel  Ess   n/a
1914  Fitz  Melb  n/a
1914  StK   Rich  n/a
1914  Univ  SthM  n/a

No matches were played on the the 25th of April from 1915 to 1959.
(There was no such thing as "ANZAC day" before 1915).

1960 to 1994 there were 78 matches played on ANZAC day, the 25th of April. Full 6 match rounds being played in 1964, 1970 and 1981. Do you really want the complete list of matches posted here? They can be easily found by looking for 25 April each season on AFL Tables.

 

[red+black]

(There was no such thing as "ANZAC day" before 1915).

Data for April 25 (bearing in mind Anzac Day wasn't celebrated Australia-wide until 1927):

Geez that was silly of me

There were a lot more ANZAC Day games in the '80s than I would have thought. I'm just trying to see what basis Kevin Barlett has in saying that prior to 1995 there was already an ANZAC Day tradition (of playing football).

1960 (2) 1961 (2) 1963 (2) 1964 (6) 1966 (3)
1968 (2) 1969 (2)

1970 (6) 1972 (2) 1973 (2) 1974 (2) 1975 (2)
1977 (2) 1978 (2) 1979 (2)

1980 (3) 1981 (6) 1983 (3) 1984 (2) 1985 (2)
1986 (3) 1987 (5) 1988 (2) 1989 (2)

1990 (2) 1991 (2) 1992 (3) 1993 (3) 1994 (1)

 

[RogersResults]

Geez that was silly of me

There were a lot more ANZAC Day games in the '80s than I would have thought. I'm just trying to see what basis Kevin Barlett has in saying that prior to 1995 there was already an ANZAC Day tradition (of playing football).

1960 (2) 1961 (2) 1963 (2) 1964 (6) 1966 (3)
1968 (2) 1969 (2)

1970 (6) 1972 (2) 1973 (2) 1974 (2) 1975 (2)
1977 (2) 1978 (2) 1979 (2)

1980 (3) 1981 (6) 1983 (3) 1984 (2) 1985 (2)
1986 (3) 1987 (5) 1988 (2) 1989 (2)

1990 (2) 1991 (2) 1992 (3) 1993 (3) 1994 (1)

1916-1926 the only matches played in April were on Saturday 26 April in 1924. An ANZAC Day Observation Bill passed through the Victorian Parliament at the end of 1925 after much opposition from a number of employer and manufacturing associations.