Stats questions

[Ninjabread]

Perhaps people have kept their own team's info?

Thanks Paul, SJ, stemline.
I had expected there would be more easily accessible records, but apparently not. Given the sub usually has little over a quarter to play it has an impact on their averages. I would also like to be able to see how often a given player has been used as a sub.

 

[red+black]

Date and teams involved in last final in Victoria not played at the MCG, Docklands or VFL/AFL Park?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Date and teams involved in last final in Victoria not played at the MCG, Docklands or VFL/AFL Park?

1945 "Bloodbath" GF, Carlton d. South Melbourne at Princes Park, Sep 29 1945, att. 62,986

15 finals were played at PP. Other grounds used for finals are Junction Oval (6), Brunswick Street Oval (4), Lakeside Oval (4), East Melbourne Cricket Ground (3), Victoria Park (2), Corio Oval (1) & Windy Hill (1).

Busy today, will have a go at some of the other questions later.

 

[RogersResults]

1. Essendon went 8-3 for the first half of the season then 3-8 for the second half, for a -5 differential (WCE in 2000 were -5.5). For all 20 or 22 game seasons, what are the best and worst differentials?

There are a number of ways to look at this. Here's one way:

10 biggest decreases in match/win percentage between 11 and 22 matches played.

West Coast 2000 -25.00
Essendon 2012 -22.73
Melbourne 1973 -22.73
Richmond 2003 -22.73
St Kilda 1989 -22.73
Nth Melbourne 1989 -22.73
WB/Footscray 2012 -22.73
Melbourne 1988 -22.73
Melbourne 1971 -20.45
Richmond 1995 -20.45

While everyone was watching the Bombers in 2012 - the Dogs relatively had an equally bad second half season.

In 1948 in a 19 round season Fitzroy dropped 41.52% between 9 and 19 matches played going from 8-1 to 9-10. By these calculations this is worst 2nd half fade out in the history of the League.

10 biggest increases in match/win percentage between 11 and 22 matches played.


Collingwood 1991 25.00
Fitzroy 1984 22.73
Geelong 1972 22.73
WB/Footscray 1980 22.73
West Coast 1989 22.73
West Coast 2004 22.73
Carlton 1998 22.73
Brisbane 2001 22.73
Port Adelaide 2000 20.45
Richmond 2008 20.45

In the 20 round 1969 season Fitzroy improved 25% between match 10 and 20 going from 1-9 to 7-13.

 

[ClarkeM]

Alrighty, so I am thinking of doing a bit of research into footy odds and so I was wondering, is there any way to get the entire 2012 or 2011 AFL home and away season results WITH odds of the eventual winner? It would mean a lot if someone could help me out here.

 

[Ron The Bear]

While we're on the 50th goal in a year, which player took the quickest time to reach 50 career goals and who's the youngest centurion goalkicker in a year?

youngest to 50 career goals:

  Age   Player            Cb Year Rd Ma
---------------------------------------
17y229d Madden, Simon     Es 1975 20 23
17y235d Grant, Chris      WB 1990 18 18
17y326d Maguire, Mick     Ri 1912  1 32
17y338d Fothergill, Des   Co 1938  9 24
17y352d Watson, Tim       Es 1979 13 48
18y 64d Lockett, Tony     St 1984  7 19
18y102d Lee, Dick         Co 1907  9 20
18y135d Newland, Ken      Ge 1967 PF 43
18y193d Payne, Charlie    Es 1963  6 25
18y212d Foschini, Silvio  Sy 1982  4 21
18y239d Wooller, Fred     Ge 1957  9 21
18y278d Templeton, Kelvin WB 1975 14 23
18y280d Lazarus, Gary     Fi 1964 10 24
18y307d Pratt, Bob        Sy 1931  9 25
18y336d Whitnall, Lance   Ca 1998 17 35
18y349d Peck, John        Ha 1956 14 39
19y  6d Mueller, Jack     Me 1934 18 14

youngest to 100 goals in a season:

  Age   Player              Cb year Rd MS  Ma
---------------------------------------------
20y305d Coleman, John       Es 1949 GF 21  21
21y  2d Pratt, Bob          Sy 1933 18 16  66
21y135d Donohue, Larry      Ge 1976 EF 23  45
21y152d Lockett, Tony       St 1987 19 19  90
21y213d Franklin, Lance     Ha 2008 22 22  78
21y303d Blethyn, Geoff      Es 1972 21 21  68
21y308d Todd, Ron           Co 1938 18 17  54
21y312d Roach, Michael      Ri 1980 20 20  51
21y316d Templeton, Kelvin   WB 1978 19 18  76
22y118d Lloyd, Matthew      Es 2000 QF 23 104
22y166d Hudson, Peter       Ha 1968 16 15  32
23y 20d Moloney, George M.  Ge 1932 17 17  38
23y247d Sumich, Peter       WC 1991 SF 23  65
23y346d McKenna, Peter      Co 1970 19 17  85
23y358d Dunstall, Jason     Ha 1988 19 18  80
24y 85d Capper, Warwick     Sy 1987 QF 23  77
24y142d Taylor, Brian       Co 1986 22 20  84
24y159d Modra, Tony         Ad 1993 19 17  25
25y 27d Jesaulenko, Alex    Ca 1970 22 22  77
27y 68d Mohr, Bill          St 1936 18 17 135
27y290d Wade, Doug          Ge 1969 16 16 145
27y326d Coventry, Gordon    Co 1929 16 16 155
28y198d Gehrig, Fraser      St 2004 PF 23 191
29y 51d Beasley, Simon      WB 1985 SF 24  83
31y303d Ablett senior, Gary Ge 1993 18 14 181
32y 30d Quinlan, Bernie     Fi 1983 21 21 301
32y203d Titus, Jack         Ri 1940 GF 20 244
32y207d Blight, Malcolm     NM 1982 SF 20 178

 

[RedmanWasHere]

youngest to 50 career goals:

  Age  Player            Cb Year Rd Ma
---------------------------------------
17y229d Madden, Simon    Es 1975 20 23
17y235d Grant, Chris      WB 1990 18 18
17y326d Maguire, Mick    Ri 1912  1 32
17y338d Fothergill, Des  Co 1938  9 24
17y352d Watson, Tim      Es 1979 13 48
18y 64d Lockett, Tony    St 1984  7 19
18y102d Lee, Dick        Co 1907  9 20
18y135d Newland, Ken      Ge 1967 PF 43
18y193d Payne, Charlie    Es 1963  6 25
18y212d Foschini, Silvio  Sy 1982  4 21
18y239d Wooller, Fred    Ge 1957  9 21
18y278d Templeton, Kelvin WB 1975 14 23
18y280d Lazarus, Gary    Fi 1964 10 24
18y307d Pratt, Bob        Sy 1931  9 25
18y336d Whitnall, Lance  Ca 1998 17 35
18y349d Peck, John        Ha 1956 14 39
19y  6d Mueller, Jack    Me 1934 18 14

youngest to 100 goals in a season:

  Age  Player              Cb year Rd MS  Ma
---------------------------------------------
20y305d Coleman, John      Es 1949 GF 21  21
21y  2d Pratt, Bob          Sy 1933 18 16  66
21y135d Donohue, Larry      Ge 1976 EF 23  45
21y152d Lockett, Tony      St 1987 19 19  90
21y213d Franklin, Lance    Ha 2008 22 22  78
21y303d Blethyn, Geoff      Es 1972 21 21  68
21y308d Todd, Ron          Co 1938 18 17  54
21y312d Roach, Michael      Ri 1980 20 20  51
21y316d Templeton, Kelvin  WB 1978 19 18  76
22y118d Lloyd, Matthew      Es 2000 QF 23 104
22y166d Hudson, Peter      Ha 1968 16 15  32
23y 20d Moloney, George M.  Ge 1932 17 17  38
23y247d Sumich, Peter      WC 1991 SF 23  65
23y346d McKenna, Peter      Co 1970 19 17  85
23y358d Dunstall, Jason    Ha 1988 19 18  80
24y 85d Capper, Warwick    Sy 1987 QF 23  77
24y142d Taylor, Brian      Co 1986 22 20  84
24y159d Modra, Tony        Ad 1993 19 17  25
25y 27d Jesaulenko, Alex    Ca 1970 22 22  77
27y 68d Mohr, Bill          St 1936 18 17 135
27y290d Wade, Doug          Ge 1969 16 16 145
27y326d Coventry, Gordon    Co 1929 16 16 155
28y198d Gehrig, Fraser      St 2004 PF 23 191
29y 51d Beasley, Simon      WB 1985 SF 24  83
31y303d Ablett senior, Gary Ge 1993 18 14 181
32y 30d Quinlan, Bernie    Fi 1983 21 21 301
32y203d Titus, Jack        Ri 1940 GF 20 244
32y207d Blight, Malcolm    NM 1982 SF 20 178

Amazing.

I've run out of superlatives.

 

[Ron The Bear]

1. Essendon went 8-3 for the first half of the season then 3-8 for the second half, for a -5 differential (WCE in 2000 were -5.5). For all 20 or 22 game seasons, what are the best and worst differentials?

WDif PctDf Year Cb  LP1 W1 L1 D1  Pct1   LP2 W2 L2 D2  Pct2
------------------------------------------------------------
+5   45.97 1945 Ca  9th  4  6  0  87.71  4th  9  1  0 133.68
+5   43.87 2004 WC 10th  4  7  0  86.35  7th  9  2  0 130.22
+5   43.04 2001 Br  8th  6  5  0 107.96  2nd 11  0  0 150.99
+5   34.89 1998 Ca 15th  2  9  0  78.94 11th  7  4  0 113.83
+5   32.68 1972 Ge 11th  1 10  0  69.93 10th  6  5  0 102.62
+5   25.34 1969 Fi 12th  1  9  0  70.99 10th  6  4  0  96.33
+5   21.84 1984 Fi 10th  3  8  0  93.05  5th  8  3  0 114.89
+5   18.58 1980 WB 12th  0 11  0  67.01 10th  5  6  0  85.59
+5   13.73 1989 WC 14th  1 10  0  80.47 11th  6  5  0  94.20

WDif PctDf Year Cb  LP1 W1 L1 D1  Pct1   LP2 W2 L2 D2   Pct2
------------------------------------------------------------
-5.5 44.84 2000 WC  5th  6  4  1 116.58 13th  1 10  0  71.74
-5   54.55 2012 Es  4th  8  3  0 132.28 11th  3  8  0  77.73
-5   32.84 1989 NM  6th  7  4  0 107.44  9th  2  9  0  74.60
-5   32.00 1988 Me  3rd  9  2  0 119.49  5th  4  7  0  87.49
-5   25.49 2003 Ri  9th  6  5  0 102.62 13th  1 10  0  77.14
-5   18.77 1973 Me  7th  6  5  0 101.96 10th  1 10  0  83.19
-5    9.55 1989 St  7th  6  5  0  88.99  9th  1 10  0  79.44
-4.5 28.27 1971 Me  4th  8  3  0 123.17  7th  3  7  1  94.90
-4.5 22.39 1995 Ri  1st 10  1  0 120.02  3rd  5  5  1  97.63

3. What is the record for most career goals yet having never kicked 2 or more goals in a game?

Gl Player             Club(s)    Career  CMa
--------------------------------------------
23 Brake, Jack        Un,Me    1909-1921  98
23 Byrne, Ray         Ca,Co,Ge 1973-1984 219
19 Gale, Alan         Fi       1948-1961 213
19 Dent, Matthew      Fi,WB,Ha 1994-2001 118
19 Ibbotson, Garrick  Fr       2007-2012 101
18 McGrath, Tim       NM,Ge    1989-2002 226
17 Watt, Jack W.      Ge,Me,St 1909-1914  54
17 King, Billy        Sy       1940-1948 136
17 Cochrane, Stuart   NM,PA    1998-2005 104
17 Dempster, Sean     Sy,St    2005-2012 141
17 O'Brien, Harry     Co       2005-2012 157
16 Jenkins, Ern       Fi       1897-1910 182
16 Purser, Andrew     WB       1983-1987 112
15 Martin, Frank      Ca       1917-1923  87
15 Kelleher, Dinny    Ca,Sy    1927-1936 113
15 Bray, Harold       St       1941-1952 156
15 Smith, Barry L.    WB       1960-1965  78
15 Malthouse, Mick    St,Ri    1972-1983 174
15 Orchard, Mark      Co,Sy,Co 1995-2000  86

 

[The Passenger]

great lists rtb.

i don't think many would realise that franklin was the fifth youngest to notch up the ton in a season

 

[Old_Man_James]

Wow, great thread. I have so many stats questions for you guys. I've always had to look things up manually before.

I was thinking this year with a 5 game win split between port Adelaide and Brisbane, if this is the biggest mid table split in competition history? ie. not between 1st and 2nd or last and 2nd last as happened in both instances in 2000. I can't remember off hand such a season which resulted in 2 groups separated by such a large amount of wins.

James

 

[red+black]

Interesting observation from http://footystats.freeservers.com/Daily/Diary.html

Adelaide's 5.12 was the lowest ever score for a Qualifying Final. Which makes me wonder, is it the lowest ever score for a team with a double chance (post-1971)? Where would it rank post-1930 for a non-elimination final?

 

[RogersResults]

Interesting observation from http://footystats.freeservers.com/Daily/Diary.html

Adelaide's 5.12 was the lowest ever score for a Qualifying Final. Which makes me wonder, is it the lowest ever score for a team with a double chance (post-1971)? Where would it rank post-1930 for a non-elimination final?

Richmond in 1995 scored 6.4-40 v Geelong in the Preliminary Final. Richmond had a double chance being one of the two highest placed losers of the Qualifying Finals.
Essendon in 1990 with the double chance scored 5.11-41 in the Grand Final.

Teams with the double chance 1931-1971 that scored less than or equal to 42 points:

Richmond 1933 - 4.5-29 in the Grand Final.
Collingwood 1958 - 4.9-33 in the 2nd Semi-Final.
Collingwood 1955 - 5.6-36 in the Grand Final
Carlton 1959 - 4.13-37 in the 2nd Semi-Final.
Collingwood 1952 - 5.10-40 in the Grand Final
Fitzroy 1960 - 4.16-40 in the 2nd Semi-Final.
Collingwood 1965 - 6.6-42 in the Preliminary Final.

 

[red+black]

Let me reiterate, a lower score in a non-elimination final, that is, they still have their double chance, thus, not a grand final, prelim, etc. Looks like Adelaide would be 4th on the list, pretty damning. Top two, double chance, home ground advantage against an interstate team, one of the worst finals efforts ever.

 

[RogersResults]

Let me reiterate, a lower score in a non-elimination final, that is, they still have their double chance, thus, not a grand final, prelim, etc. Looks like Adelaide would be 4th on the list, pretty damning. Top two, double chance, home ground advantage against an interstate team, one of the worst finals efforts ever.

To meet the criteria "score in a non-elimination final" under the Page-McIntyre System 1931-1971 then that match is the 2nd Semi-Final between first and second on the final ladder and only that match.
Also under that criteria Adelaide's score is the lowest in any "non-elimination final" 1972-2012, including the "qualifying finals" 1994-1999 that had an "elimination" or "non-elimination" status depending on the results of the other "qualifying finals".

Adelaide's score of 5.12-42 is the 4th lowest in any final under the current finals system and lowest finals score of any team finishing in the top 4 under the current finals system.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I was thinking this year with a 5 game win split between port Adelaide and Brisbane, if this is the biggest mid table split in competition history? ie. not between 1st and 2nd or last and 2nd last as happened in both instances in 2000. I can't remember off hand such a season which resulted in 2 groups separated by such a large amount of wins.

NB These aren't filtered:

Year WDif PctDf  LP1 Cb W1 L1 D1  Pct1   LP2 Cb W2 L2 D2  Pct2  Cl
------------------------------------------------------------------
1914 +6   39.39  8th Ri  8 10  0 100.65  9th Me  2 16  0  61.26 10
1971 +5.5 21.84  8th WB 11 11  0  88.68  9th NM  5 16  1  66.84 12
1911 +5   43.11  8th Ri  7 11  0  91.19  9th St  2 16  0  48.07 10
1995 +5   35.86 15th Ha  7 15  0  94.03 16th Fi  2 20  0  58.17 16
1950 +5   25.72 11th Sy  5 13  0  75.53 12th Ha  0 18  0  49.81 12
2000 +5   24.33  1st Es 21  1  0 159.10  2nd Ca 16  6  0 134.77 16
1972 +5   19.04 10th Ge  7 15  0  84.17 11th Sy  2 20  0  65.13 12
1980 +5   15.46  8th Ha 10 12  0  94.46  9th Me  5 17  0  79.00 12
1928 +5    6.06 11th NM  5 13  0  67.69 12th Ha  0 18  0  61.63 12
1975 +5    3.24 11th Ge  7 15  0  78.22 12th Sy  2 20  0  74.98 12
1986 +5    2.99 11th Me  7 15  0  74.93 12th St  2 20  0  71.94 12
1919 +4.5 28.22  7th Es  6  8  0  92.70  8th Ge  1 12  1  64.48  9
1944 +4.5 22.89 10th Co  7 11  0  89.13 11th Ha  2 15  1  66.25 12
1968 +4.5 19.50  5th Ri 14  6  0 122.98  6th Ha  9 10  1 103.48 12
2000 +4.5 15.43 15th Co  7 15  0  85.93 16th St  2 19  1  70.51 16
2012 +4.5 12.14 13th Br 10 12  0  91.01 14th St  5 16  1  78.87 18

 

[Escobar123]

Was just watching the replay of Swans vs Crows game from the weekend and one of the commentators said that there hadn't been a goalless quarter by a team in a final since 1966 (Saints vs Essendon prelim)..is that true or another bs stat they made up? If so, pretty amazing then that we had two teams go goalless in the first quarters of the next two matches!

 

[hawkman]

Was just watching the replay of Swans vs Crows game from the weekend and one of the commentators said that there hadn't been a goalless quarter by a team in a final since 1966 (Saints vs Essendon prelim)..is that true or another bs stat they made up? If so, pretty amazing then that we had two teams go goalless in the first quarters of the next two matches!

I believe that was both teams were goalless in the quarter

Collingwood were goalless in the last quarter of last years GF

 

[Escobar123]

I believe that was both teams were goalless in the quarter

oh ok thanks that makes more sense

 

[RogersResults]

I believe that was both teams were goalless in the quarter

Collingwood were goalless in the last quarter of last years GF

There have been 16 finals where both teams were goalless in a quarter - the last being the 1966 Preliminary Final - 3rd quarter: St Kilda 0.0-0 v Essendon 0.5-5.
Before that that, the 1956 1st Sem-Final - Last quarter: WB/Footscray 0.5-5 v Geelong 0.1-1. The others are all before 1928.

Since 1966 there have been 109 finals' scorelines with at least one goalless quarter including the 2011, 2010 (drawn) and 2009 Grand Finals.

 

[red+black]

How many times have the two WA or two SA teams both played in the same week of finals?

How many times have the two WA or two SA teams both won in the same week of finals?

 

[RogersResults]

How many times have the two WA or two SA teams both played in the same week of finals?

How many times have the two WA or two SA teams both won in the same week of finals?

Prior to West Coast and Fremantle winning the 2012 Elimination finals:

West Coast and Fremantle:
2003 Elimination Finals - both lost.
2006 Qualifying Finals - both lost
2006 Semi Finals - both won
2006 Preliminary Finals - West Coast won. Fremantle lost.

Adelaide and Port Adelaide:
2002 Qualifying finals - both lost
2002 Semi Finals - both won
2002 Preliminary Finals - both lost
2003 Semi Finals - Port won - Adelaide lost
2005 They played each other in a Semi Final

 

[powerofthepussie]

can you please tell me how many time geelong and fremantle have played?? and who has won and lost how many please, thank you. also geelong and bulldogs cheers....

 

[Ron The Bear]

can you please tell me how many time geelong and fremantle have played?? and who has won and lost how many please, thank you. also geelong and bulldogs cheers....

v Fremantle: played 29, won 20, lost 9, drawn 0
v Bulldogs: played 152 won 95, lost 55, drawn 2

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/geelong/overall_wl.html

 

[RogersResults]

can you please tell me how many time geelong and fremantle have played?? and who has won and lost how many please, thank you. also geelong and bulldogs cheers....

Plus combined scores Geelong v Fremantle

Plus combined scores Geelong v Bulldogs

 

[hawkman]

Is this the biggest win after trailing at quarter time?

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/1980/141519800720.html

Also what are the biggest wins after trailing at half time and 3/4 time?