Stats questions

[Ron The Bear]

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Similar to a question asked in another thread.

a) what are the 5 biggest losses by a team that went on to win the premiership?
b) what are the 5 biggest finals losses by a team that went on to win the premiership?

Mgn Cb Year Rd Op
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100 Ca 1945  3 Es
 95 Es 1949 11 Ge
 92 PA 2004  8 NM
 87 Ha 1986 18 Es
 86 Ha 1991  1 Ad

Biggest loss after R19 is Co v Ha, R20, 1990 - 83 points

Mn Cb Year Fn Op
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62 Co 1929 SF Ri
48 Ad 1998 QF Me
45 Co 1958 SF Me
41 Ca 1972 SF Ri
38 NM 1977 QF Ha

 

[RogersResults]

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Currently Richmond has the leading goalkicker.

The have also had at least one goalless quarter in half of their
20 matches this year.

When was the last time a team with the leading goalkicker had at least 1 goalless quarter in half their matches this late in the season?

 

[red+black]

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I believe no player has won premierships at 3 different clubs, but has any player played in Grand Finals at 3 different clubs?

 

[red+black]

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I'll have a go at answering my own question here.

Q. What is the shortest span of years for a club to win 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 premierships?

3 .3yrs Ca 1906-1908 WWW
3 .3yrs Co 1927-1929 WWW
3 .3yrs Me 1939-1941 WWW
3 .3yrs Me 1955-1957 WWW
3 .3yrs Br 2001-2003 WWW

4 .4yrs Co 1927-1930 WWWW
4 .5yrs De 1955-1959 WWW2W
4 .6yrs Ha 1986-1991 W2WW5W

5 .6yrs Me 1955-1960 WWW2WW
5 .9yrs Co 1927-1935 WWWW4364W
5 .9yrs Ha 1983-1991 W22W2WW5W
5 10yrs Ca 1906-1915 WWW22336WW

6 10yrs Co 1927-1936 WWWW4364WW
6 10yrs Me 1955-1964 WWW2WW343W
6 14yrs Ha 1978-1991 W7863W22W2WW5W
6 15yrs Ca 1968-1982 W2W5W274364W4WW

7 16yrs Ha 1976-1991 W3W7863W22W2WW5W
7 17yrs Me 1948-1964 W54126112WWW2WW343W
7 18yrs Co 1919-1936 W2325622WWWW4364WW
7 20yrs Ca 1968-1987 W2W5W274364W4WW5452W

8 20yrs Co 1917-1936 W2W2325622WWWW4364WW
8 21yrs Ha 1971-1991 W6732W3W7863W22W2WW5W
8 24yrs Me 1941-1964 W878926W54126112WWW2WW343W
8 28yrs Ca 1968-1995 W2W5W274364W4WW5452W38811725W

9 25yrs Me 1940-1964 WW878926W54126112WWW2WW343W
9 27yrs Co 1910-1936 W273524W2W2325622WWWW4364WW
9 31yrs Ha 1961-1991 W92512910658W6732W3W7863W22W2WW5W

10 26yrs Me 1939-1964 WWW878926W54126112WWW2WW343W
10 34yrs Co 1903-1936 W324443W273524W2W2325622WWWW4364WW

11 35yrs Co 1902-1936 WW324443W273524W2W2325622WWWW4364WW
11 39yrs Me 1926-1964 W5355891066335WWW878926W54126112WWW2WW343W

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I believe no player has won premierships at 3 different clubs, but has any player played in Grand Finals at 3 different clubs?

No.

Currently Richmond has the leading goalkicker.

The have also had at least one goalless quarter in half of their
20 matches this year.

When was the last time a team with the leading goalkicker had at least 1 goalless quarter in half their matches this late in the season?

Has never happened during a h&a season of more than 18 rounds. Teams with leading goalkicker and at least half its games containing a goalless quarter during the h&a season:

Year Cb Rd GQ Leading Goalkicker
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1913 Un 18 13 Roy Park (53)
1912 Me 18 11 Harry Brereton (56)
1910 Ge 18 11 Percy Martini (51)
1909 Co 18 .9 Dick Lee (55)
1908 Co 18 10 Dick Lee (50)

 

[red+black]

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Corrected and updated the answer to my own question a couple posts up. I'm sure we'd all like our own team to go on a decent run over the next 20 years.

Now a question. Jobe Watson had 2 kicks and 28 handballs on Sunday.

What are the top 3 for most handballs with 0, 1 and 2 kicks?

 

[RogersResults]

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No.



Has never happened during a h&a season of more than 18 rounds. Teams with leading goalkicker and at least half its games containing a goalless quarter during the h&a season:

Year Cb Rd GQ Leading Goalkicker
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1913 Un 18 13 Roy Park (53)
1912 Me 18 11 Harry Brereton (56)
1910 Ge 18 11 Percy Martini (51)
1909 Co 18 .9 Dick Lee (55)
1908 Co 18 10 Dick Lee (50)

I suspected it would go back that far. Richmond is a good chance for at least 1 goalless quarter against St Kilda and then perhaps Jack Riewoldt might kick a bag of goals against Port in the last match to take the Coleman medal. It would be a special record.

Great research and database design from Ron as usual.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Great research and database design from Ron as usual.

Haha, that question actually stretched the database a bit. Had to build a few temporary tables to get the data out.

 

[emuboy]

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Discounting sides going into recess during World War 1 & World War 2 and the departures of University, Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears, what is the longest period of time between two sides meeting?

One that springs to mind is West Coast & Melbourne. Early in the 2007 season, West Coast thrashed Melbourne at Subiaco Oval. At this stage, West Coast were a dominant reigning premier looking like they could go back to back; and Melbourne were a previous year's finalist who had made a poor start to the year. They did not meet again until late in 2008, this time in the battle of the Wooden Spoon at the MCG. Although Melbourne crushed the Eagles in a low scoring game, they ultimately ended up last.

 

[*Paul*]

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What are the top 3 for most handballs with 0, 1 and 2 kicks?

Watson's effort is comfortably the best twofer from my records. Darren Glass 2/18 next
For one kick I have Aaron Sandilands 1/17
And for zero kicks, Scott Wynd 0/15, twice. He also had a 0/14

Brian Royal had 31 kicks and no handballs, R19 Foot. v Fitz. 1984

 

[*Paul*]

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Discounting sides going into recess during World War 1 & World War 2 and the departures of University, Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears, what is the longest period of time between two sides meeting?
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I make it as Richmond and Collingwood, 496 days between R3, 2008 and R20, 2009.

Unqualified, Richmond and Essendon, 994 days R18 1915, and R1, 1918.

Hawthorn and Freo, currently 459 days.

 

[SJ]

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Geelong and Hawthorn between 2007 and 2008 would have gone close, although I think you are right with Collingwood and Richmond.

Geelong played Port Adelaide five times in a period where they didn't play Hawthorn once.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I make it as Richmond and Collingwood, 496 days between R3, 2008 and R20, 2009.

Unqualified, Richmond and Essendon, 994 days R18 1915, and R1, 1918.

Hawthorn and Freo, currently 459 days.

Agree with the 496, but got several matchups above a thousand days involving Melbourne & Essendon during WW1, with a highest of 1442 days:

Fi v Me 3/07/1915-14/06/1919
Ge v Me 10/07/1915-21/06/1919

At the other extreme, 30 pairs of clubs have met 7 days apart, the last being Essendon & Richmond, R22/Qualifying Final, 2001.

 

[*Paul*]

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Ah yes, I knew instantly what I'd overlooked, 1442 it is.

 

[emuboy]

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At the other extreme, 30 pairs of clubs have met 7 days apart, the last being Essendon & Richmond, R22/Qualifying Final, 2001.

Thanks for the responses.

I remember the above Tigers vs Bombers games, with such a massive turnaround in just 1 week.

But discounting sides meeting in successive weeks in the last round/opening finals or twice in the finals, does anyone know the shortest timespan between meetings in H & A matches in the same season?

The shortest I could find was 4 weeks for Fitzroy & West Coast way back in 1988; the Eagles and Lions met in Round 13 for a 6 goal win to West Coast; but in their next meeting in Round 17 the Lions savaged the Eagles in handing out a 12 goal hiding under lights at the MCG.

 

[*Paul*]

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The so called Sectional Rounds of 1898-1907 threw up some of those 7 day gaps, but for this concept they're more or less the same as finals.

Essendon played Geelong 19 days apart in 1952, as did Richmond and Fitzroy in 1916. The latter comp only having 4 teams, everyone played 21 days apart.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Thanks for the responses.

I remember the above Tigers vs Bombers games, with such a massive turnaround in just 1 week.

But discounting sides meeting in successive weeks in the last round/opening finals or twice in the finals, does anyone know the shortest timespan between meetings in H & A matches in the same season?

The shortest I could find was 4 weeks for Fitzroy & West Coast way back in 1988; the Eagles and Lions met in Round 13 for a 6 goal win to West Coast; but in their next meeting in Round 17 the Lions savaged the Eagles in handing out a 12 goal hiding under lights at the MCG.

Discounting the early VFL seasons where the h&a matches were followed by three rounds of 'sectional' matches prior to the finals, the shortest interval is 19 days, for

Ri v Fi, R5 & R8, in the four-team competition of 1916, and
Ge v Es, R8 & R11, 1952, the R8 match in Brisbane being postponed for two days due to torrential rain and played on a Monday night


Edit: Paul beat me to it.

 

[Nothing]

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What about for a 15/16 team comp?

 

[red+black]

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At the other extreme, 30 pairs of clubs have met 7 days apart, the last being Essendon & Richmond, R22/Qualifying Final, 2001.

Would you have a list of these since night footy was introduced? I assume all (?) prior instances would have been exactly 7 days apart to the minute.

According to http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/2001.html, Essendon and Richmond in 2001 played two games separated by 7 days and 5 minutes.

Carlton and Fremantle could play each other in Round 22 and the first week of the finals. The Round 22 match is at 20:40 AEST, and if Carlton finishes 6th and Fremantle 7th, I assume their re-match will be the following Friday at 19:45 AEST, that is, 55 minutes shy of 7 days and possibly the shortest span of time between two teams playing each other.

Sound about right?

 

[red+black]

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Results needed to make the above happen:

R21: Gee d Car, Haw d Fre, Syd d Wes
R22: Car d Fre, Col d Haw, Syd d Bri

5. Syd 52
6. Car 48
7. Fre 48
8. Haw 46

Blues needs to finish with a better % than Freo, so they need to avoid getting smashed by Geelong this week, or hope Hawks smash Freo and/or they have a good win over Freo next week.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Would you have a list of these since night footy was introduced?

The only other one since the introduction of night football in 1985 was the 1990 West Coast/Collingwood semi-final and replay, both afternoon matches, both starting times gives as 2:10pm.

 

[ClarkeM]

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I was thinking this after hearing Sam Newman speak on The Footy Show.

What would be the greatest point margin by a team for two games in a row where they "bounced-back" or vice versa.

Eg
Round 1 - Geelong beat Essendon by 143
Round 2 - Richmond beat Geelong by 87

A sum of 230 I think.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I was thinking this after hearing Sam Newman speak on The Footy Show.

What would be the greatest point margin by a team for two games in a row where they "bounced-back" or vice versa.

Eg
Round 1 - Geelong beat Essendon by 143
Round 2 - Richmond beat Geelong by 87

A sum of 230 I think.

Dif Cb Year Rd O1 R Mg1 R2 O2 R Mg2
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239 Ha 1991  6 Fi W 157  7 WC L  82
235 Ha 1992 19 St L  75 20 Es W 160
219 Me 1979 17 Fi L 190 18 Es W  29
217 Es 1987 16 Ri W  54 17 Sy L 163
210 Me 1991  1 WC L  79  2 Fi W 131
206 Co 1979  3 NM L  28  4 St W 178
206 PA 2007 SF NM W  87 GF Ge L 119
205 Br 1993  7 Ha L  43  8 Sy W 162
204 Ha 1982  3 WB W 143  4 Ca L  61
201 WB 1979 15 St W  79 16 Co L 122
199 Br 1993  8 Sy W 162 10 Ad L  37
198 WC 2000  5 Ge L  81  6 Fr W 117
197 WC 1995 18 NM L  62 19 Ad W 135
195 WC 2000  4 Ad W 114  5 Ge L  81
194 NM 1990  1 Me L  53  2 Ri W 141
192 Sy 1955  4 Ri L  58  5 St W 134
192 Es 1992 20 Ha L 160 21 Me W  32
190 Es 1997 12 Fr L  97 13 Ri W  93

 

[emuboy]

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Discounting the early VFL seasons where the h&a matches were followed by three rounds of 'sectional' matches prior to the finals, the shortest interval is 19 days, for

Ri v Fi, R5 & R8, in the four-team competition of 1916, and
Ge v Es, R8 & R11, 1952, the R8 match in Brisbane being postponed for two days due to torrential rain and played on a Monday night


Edit: Paul beat me to it.

Thanks Ron the Bear & Paul.

I was forgetting the strange 1916 season.

 

[SJ]

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Dif Cb Year Rd O1 R Mg1 R2 O2 R Mg2
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239 Ha 1991  6 Fi W 157  7 WC L  82
235 Ha 1992 19 St L  75 20 Es W 160
219 Me 1979 17 Fi L 190 18 Es W  29
217 Es 1987 16 Ri W  54 17 Sy L 163
210 Me 1991  1 WC L  79  2 Fi W 131
206 Co 1979  3 NM L  28  4 St W 178
206 PA 2007 SF NM W  87 GF Ge L 119
205 Br 1993  7 Ha L  43  8 Sy W 162
204 Ha 1982  3 WB W 143  4 Ca L  61
201 WB 1979 15 St W  79 16 Co L 122
199 Br 1993  8 Sy W 162 10 Ad L  37
198 WC 2000  5 Ge L  81  6 Fr W 117
197 WC 1995 18 NM L  62 19 Ad W 135
195 WC 2000  4 Ad W 114  5 Ge L  81
194 NM 1990  1 Me L  53  2 Ri W 141
192 Sy 1955  4 Ri L  58  5 St W 134
192 Es 1992 20 Ha L 160 21 Me W  32
190 Es 1997 12 Fr L  97 13 Ri W  93

What about the other way around?

Port in the final two games of 2007 would go close.