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[Ron The Bear]

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What is the record for the most number of Brownlow votes across a four year span? Ablett polled 98 from 2007-2010.

Using the following adjustments suggested by Peter Blair in The History Of The Brownlow Medal
- votes under the one-vote system prior to 1931 to be multiplied x 4.8
- votes under the two-umpire system of 1976 & 77 to be halved, gives

Votes Player              Seasons
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115.2 Greeves, Edward     1924-27
105.6 Greeves, Edward     1925-28
105.6 Warne-Smith, Ivor   1926-29
 98   Ablett junior, Gary 2007-10
 91.2 Warne-Smith, Ivor   1925-28
 91   Harvey, Robert      1995-98
 86   Harvey, Robert      1996-99
 84   Goodes, Adam        2006-09
 84   Judd, Chris         2007-10
 82   Judd, Chris         2004-07
 81   Greig, Keith        1972-75
 79   Bunton, Haydn       1931-34
 79   Reynolds, Dick      1936-39
 79   Moss, Graham        1973-76
 78   Bunton, Haydn       1932-35
 78   Hutchison, Bill     1950-53
 78   Judd, Chris         2003-06
 78   Ablett junior, Gary 2008-11
 77.8 Hopkins, Allan      1928-31
 77   Hutchison, Bill     1952-55
 77   Greig, Keith        1973-76
 77   Ablett junior, Gary 2006-09

Following on from that, do Geelong now hold the record for most team votes over a four year period with 420?

Vts Cb Seasons
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420 Ge 2007-10
393 Br 2001-04
378 Ha 1986-89
374 Ge 2006-09
369 Es 1999-02
367 Ha 1987-90
366 PA 2001-04
363 Br 1999-02
362 Ha 1988-91
359 Br 2000-03
358 Es 1998-01
358 Es 1982-85
356 Br 2002-05
354 Ha 1985-88
352 Ha 1982-85
351 Ca 1978-81
351 Ca 1985-88
350 Ca 1984-87

 

[DeanoT]

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In 1993 Gary Ablett scored 124 goals from 233 kicks (53%).

Has anyone else managed over 50% in a single season?

What are the all time best seasons for this stat (for say minimum of 20 goals)?

 

[red+black]

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How many players have had 2 stints at the same club, that is, they played for one club, went off to player for one or more other clubs, then returned to a club they had already played for?

For example, Paul Salmon (ES:1983-1995, HW:1996-2000, ES:2002).

 

[Ron The Bear]

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How many players have had 2 stints at the same club, that is, they played for one club, went off to player for one or more other clubs, then returned to a club they had already played for?

For example, Paul Salmon (ES:1983-1995, HW:1996-2000, ES:2002).

Baker, Phil       NM,Ge,NM       1971-1979
Baker, Ted        Ca,Co,Ge,Co,WB 1920-1934
Baquie, Jack      Me,Ca,Me       1907-1920
Barnes, John      Es,Ge,Es       1987-2001
Belcher, Norman   Ge,Es,Ge       1899-1906
Bell, Peter       Fr,NM,Fr       1995-2008
Bennett, George   Ha,WB,Ha       1930-1944
Bennett, John J.  St,WB,St       1980-1986
Black, Heath      Fr,St,Fr       1997-2008
Butcher, Jack     Ge,Sy,Ge       1938-1945
Capper, Warwick   Sy,Br,Sy       1983-1991
Carr, Josh        PA,Fr,PA       2000-2010
Cloke, David      Ri,Co,Ri       1974-1991
Cowton, Gary      NM,WB,Sy,NM    1971-1984
Croad, Trent      Ha,Fr,Ha       1998-2008
Curtin, Claude    Fi,NM,Fi       1939-1949
Daniels, Jayson   St,Sy,St       1988-1998
Deller, Roy       NM,WB,NM       1936-1944
Ditterich, Carl   St,Me,St,Me    1963-1980
Dougherty, George Ca,Ge,WB,Ge,Sy 1934-1945
Eason, Alec       Ge,Ri,Ge       1909-1921
Eicke, Wels       St,NM,St       1909-1926
Fields, Neville   Es,Sy,Es       1969-1982
Fleming, Keith    Fi,Ha,Fi       1930-1934
Gniel, George     Ge,Ca,Ge       1939-1947
Gough, Lew        Ha,Me,Ha       1925-1932
Grant, Jack W.    Ge,Fi,Ge       1935-1946
Harwood, Bill     Ge,Sy,Ge       1940-1948
Hawke, Paul       Sy,Co,Sy       1984-1991
Heffernan, Chris  Es,Me,Es       1997-2007
Hooper, Don       Me,St,Me       1932-1943
Horwood, Ray      Co,Ri,Co       1946-1954
Irwin, Warwick    Fi,Co,Fi       1970-1983
Jones, Bernie     Ha,Es,Ha       1973-1980
Kearney, Jim      Ge,Ri,Ge       1915-1921
Keenan, Peter     Me,NM,Es,Me    1970-1982
Kelly, Harvey     Sy,Ca,Sy       1902-1914
Landy, Graeme     Ge,Ri,Ge       1975-1988
Leahy, Pat        Ge,Sy,Ge,Sy    1939-1945
Lord, Aaron       Ge,Ha,Ge       1994-2003
Lumsden, Ernie    Co,Es,Co       1910-1920
Marsham, Harry    Ge,Ri,Ge       1909-1919
Martini, Percy    Ge,Ri,Ge       1909-1920
Matthews, E. Herb Sy,Ri,Me,Sy    1914-1924
Matthews, Norm    Me,Sy,Me       1935-1944
McGhie, Robert    WB,Ri,WB,Sy    1969-1981
McKenzie, Jock    Sy,Fi,Sy       1931-1940
McKernan, Corey   NM,Ca,NM       1993-2004
McMullin, Ian     Co,Es,Co       1984-1993
McPhee, Adam      Fr,Es,Fr       2001-2010
Montgomery, Brett WB,PA,WB       1997-2007
Morwood, Paul     Sy,St,Sy,Co    1977-1987
Murphy, Justin    Ri,Ca,Ge,Ca,Es 1994-2005
Murray, Sel       NM,Ri,NM       1937-1948
Nankervis, Vic A. Ge,WB,St,Ge,Sy 1941-1946
Newland, Ken      Ge,WB,Ge       1965-1978
Nichols, Trent    Ri,WC,NM,Ri    1988-1998
O'Brien, Bernie   WB,Ca,WB       1929-1938
Orchard, Mark     Co,Sy,Co       1995-2000
Parke, Bert       Ca,Me,Ca       1905-1913
Peart, Neil       Co,Ri,WB,Ri    1982-1987
Peos, Paul        WC,Br,WC       1987-1995
Picken, Billy     Co,Sy,Co       1974-1986
Ramsay, Roy       NM,Es,NM       1976-1986
Rantall, John     Sy,NM,Sy,Fi    1963-1980
Ryan, Reg         NM,Co,NM       1939-1950
Salmon, Paul      Es,Ha,Es       1983-2002
Schmidt, Billy    Ri,St,Ri       1908-1921
Sharp, Bill       St,NM,St       1938-1945
Smith, Terry      Ri,St,Ri       1980-1986
Southern, Wally   Ge,Sy,Ge,St    1941-1946
Taylor, Dick J.   Me,NM,Me       1922-1935
Thomas, Reg       Sy,WB,Sy       1931-1936
Toyne, Len        Ge,Fi,Ge,Me    1940-1949
Tucker, Neil      Ge,Ca,Ge       1935-1944
Tuddenham, Des    Co,Es,Co       1962-1977
Vernon, Daryl     Ri,Sy,Ri       1981-1985
Vosti, Jack       Es,WB,Es       1925-1935
Walsh, Wayne      Ri,Sy,Ri       1968-1978
White, Lindsay    Ge,Sy,Ge       1941-1950
Wira, Brad        Fr,WB,Fr       1995-2001

 

[red+black]

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Cheers! LOL at

Ditterich, Carl - St,Me,St,Me
Leahy, Pat - Ge,Sy,Ge,Sy

Talk about indecisive!

 

[red+black]

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Disregarding debutants, which players have had the longest number of games off between playing a grand final and their previous match?

St Kilda's Steve Baker has missed 11 games but has been selected for the Grand Final.

David O'Halloran missed 25 games before he was selected for the 1985 Grand Final.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Disregarding debutants, which players have had the longest number of games off between playing a grand final and their previous match?

St Kilda's Steve Baker has missed 11 games but has been selected for the Grand Final.

David O'Halloran missed 25 games before he was selected for the 1985 Grand Final.

Days Gms Player             Cb R Year Prev Rd
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1946 110 Cordner, Denis     Me D 1948 1943  5
 385  17 Rowell, Ted        Co L 1915 1914 18
 378  17 Calwell, George    Ca L 1916 1915 18
 371  20 Reynolds, Dick     Es L 1951 1950 GF
 364  25 O'Halloran, David  Ha L 1985 1984 GF
 357  21 Cassin, Jack W.    Es L 1947 1946 GF
 350  14 Morris, Jimmy      Ca L 1916 1915 GF
 174  22 Neill, Robert      St L 1997 1997  2
 154  17 Brenchley, Peter   Me L 1958 1958  2
 147  18 Blethyn, Geoff     Es L 1968 1968  4
 133  14 Ronaldson, John    Ri W 1967 1967  5
 126   8 Baring, Fred       Es W 1923 1923  7
 126  16 Catoggio, Vin      Ca L 1973 1973  8
 117  13 Robinson, George   Ri L 1927 1927  6
 112  12 O'Halloran, Tom H. Ri L 1931 1931  8
 112  13 Anderson, Jack Y.  Ri L 1933 1933  7
 105  11 McLennan, Harold   Fi W 1916 1916  3
 105  12 Farmer, Horrie C.  Ri L 1933 1933  8
 104  12 Symes, Brad        PA L 2007 2007 12
  98   9 Carew, Bobby       Ri W 1920 1920  9
  98  12 Murnane, Peter     Ha W 1976 1976 12
  92  11 Baker, Steven      St   2010 2010 13
  91   9 McEwin, Ron        Es L 1948 1948 12

Not a tactic steeped in success.

 

[red+black]

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Denis Cordner story

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/co-cz.htm#Denis Cordner (Melbourne)

 

[just_kick_it]

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I watched TFS last night and when they were introducing Mick Malthouse they mentioned he had won a Premiership PLAYING for Richmond and then won two COACHING the WCE.

I was thinking afterwards who are the players/coaches that have played and coached in seperate Premership teams, and who tops the list? Just off the top of my head I'd be saying Leigh Matthews would be pretty high up there playing in four Premiership for Hawthorn then coaching another four with Collingwood and Brisbane.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I watched TFS last night and when they were introducing Mick Malthouse they mentioned he had won a Premiership PLAYING for Richmond and then won two COACHING the WCE.

I was thinking afterwards who are the players/coaches that have played and coached in seperate Premership teams, and who tops the list? Just off the top of my head I'd be saying Leigh Matthews would be pretty high up there playing in four Premiership for Hawthorn then coaching another four with Collingwood and Brisbane.

                      Player      Coach
Player/coach      | C1 P C2 P | C1 P C2 P | Pr
----------------------------------------------
Barassi, Ron D.   | Me 6      | Ca 2 NM 2 | 10
Belcher, Vic      | Sy 2      | Fi 1      |  3
Bentley, Percy    | Ri 2      | Ri 1 Ca 2 |  4*
Blight, Malcolm   | NM 2      | Ad 2      |  4
Diggins, Brighton | Sy 1 Ca 1 | Ca 1      |  2*
Hughes, Frank     | Ri 2      | Ri 1 Me 4 |  7
Malthouse, Mick   | Ri 1      | WC 2      |  3
Matthews, Leigh   | Ha 4      | Co 1 Br 3 |  8
Parkin, David     | Ha 1      | Ha 1 Ca 3 |  5
Sheedy, Kevin     | Ri 3      | Es 4      |  7
Thompson, Mark    | Es 3      | Ge 2      |  5

* Bentley & Diggins were playing coaches

 

[DeanoT]

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Ron, do you have any data to answer my query at #377 please?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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^^ I thought you meant as player & coach at different clubs. Premierships as player and coach, including same club:

Plyr Coach

Player/coach     Cb P | C1 P C2 P | Pr C
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Barassi, Ron D.  Me 6 | Ca 2 NM 2 | 10
Smith, Norm W.   Me 4 | Me 6      | 10
McHale, Jock     Co 2 | Co 8      |  9 1
Matthews, Leigh  Ha 4 | Co 1 Br 3 |  8
Hughes, Frank    Ri 2 | Ri 1 Me 4 |  7
Sheedy, Kevin    Ri 3 | Es 4      |  7
Clark, Norman    Ca 3 | Ca 2      |  5
Parkin, David    Ha 1 | Ha 1 Ca 3 |  5
Reynolds, Dick   Es 4 | Es 4      |  4 4
Bentley, Percy   Ri 2 | Ri 1 Ca 2 |  4 1
Hickey, Reg      Ge 2 | Ge 3      |  4 1
Jesaulenko, Alex Ca 4 | Ca 1      |  4 1
Blight, Malcolm  NM 2 | Ad 2      |  4
Coleman, John    Es 2 | Es 2      |  4
Kyne, Phonse     Co 2 | Co 2      |  4
Thompson, Mark   Es 2 | Ge 2      |  4
Walls, Robert    Ca 3 | Ca 1      |  4
Angus, George    Co 3 | Co 1      |  3 1
Nicholls, John   Ca 3 | Ca 1      |  3 1
Parratt, Percy   Fi 3 | Fi 1      |  3 1
Belcher, Vic     SM 2 | Fi 1      |  3
Davis, Bob       Ge 2 | Ge 1      |  3
Malthouse, Mick  Ri 1 | WC 2      |  3
Rush, Bob        Co 2 | Co 1      |  3
Worsfold, John   WC 2 | WC 1      |  3

Last column is premierships as playing coach, i.e. double-ups

Note that I've given 1930 to both McHale (coach for the season but missed the game through illness) and Rush (who stepped in to address the players).

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Ron, do you have any data to answer my query at #377 please?

I've held off from responding since I haven't incorporated pre-1984 data from Paul's AFL Tables site into my database. The data I have is:

Rtio Year Player                 Ki  Go
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66.8 1991 Lockett, Tony         190 127
65.3 1998 Lockett, Tony         167 109
63.9 1989 Lockett, Tony         122  78
62.7 2000 Cummings, Scott        75  47
62.5 1995 Lockett, Tony         176 110
62.4 1993 Lockett, Tony          85  53
61.7 1992 Lockett, Tony         214 132
61.4 1998 Dunstall, Jason        88  54
61.0 1985 Beasley, Simon        172 105
58.2 1999 Lockett, Tony         141  82
58.0 1990 Lockett, Tony         112  65
57.7 1988 Beasley, Simon        142  82
57.6 1989 Taylor, Brian          85  49
57.1 1996 Lockett, Tony         212 121
56.9 1997 Lockett, Tony          65  37
56.4 1986 Beasley, Simon        156  88
56.0 1994 Lockett, Tony         100  56
56.0 2004 Gehrig, Fraser        184 103
54.9 1999 Cummings, Scott       173  95
54.5 1996 Dunstall, Jason       187 102
54.1 1985 Lockett, Tony         146  79
53.8 1988 Lockett, Tony          65  35
53.8 1995 Rocca, Saverio        173  93
53.8 1993 Modra, Tony           240 129
53.7 1988 Taylor, Brian         136  73
53.3 1994 Cummings, Scott        60  32
53.2 1993 Ablett senior, Gary   233 124
52.9 1990 Dunstall, Jason       157  83
52.7 1984 Lockett, Tony         146  77
52.3 1993 Dunstall, Jason       235 123
52.1 1996 Modra, Tony           144  75
52.1 1986 Taylor, Brian         192 100
52.1 1994 Dunstall, Jason       194 101
51.8 1987 Lockett, Tony         226 117
51.6 1997 Sumich, Peter          64  33
51.3 2004 Lynch, Alastair        78  40
51.2 1992 Modra, Tony            41  21
51.1 1992 Dunstall, Jason       284 145
50.7 1987 Capper, Warwick       203 103
50.6 1992 Sumich, Peter         162  82
50.4 1986 Lockett, Tony         119  60
50.4 1994 Minton-Connell, Simon 135  68
50.3 1986 Capper, Warwick       183  92
50.0 1987 Beasley, Simon        146  73

 

[DeanoT]

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Thanks Lockett was a freak.

Would be interesting to see the data of Hudson, Coleman, McKenna and Coventry if data exists.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Cheers! LOL at

Ditterich, Carl - St,Me,St,Me
Leahy, Pat - Ge,Sy,Ge,Sy

Talk about indecisive!

Many of the switches involving Geelong players were due to the club going into wartime recess.

Thanks Lockett was a freak.

Would be interesting to see the data of Hudson, Coleman, McKenna and Coventry if data exists.

Yep, would be interesting though I don't know if any numbers exist, certainly from Coleman's era and before. A publication called Footy Week ran for a year in 1965, containing basic stats - K,M,HB etc. I can recall reading seasons' totals for kicks in the mid-70's which were semi-official. The poster known as worbod has put up some interesting data - perhaps he can help.

I'd be interested to see the numbers for Michael Roach between 1979-81; he had an accuracy of around 75% in those years and would often return stats of 5 kicks for 5.0, or 8 kicks for 7.1, etc.

 

[just_kick_it]

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Thanks Ron the Bear. Yeh your second post answered the question I was asking. I tried to word my question to only get results like Matthews and Barrasi, not just players like Tuck who didnt coach but played in heaps of Premierships.

Interesting to note that none of the players/coaches to achive this feat, and play in two or more Premierships did it with two different clubs. This leads to a second question how many players have played in a Premiership at two differnt clubs??

Thanks again for the outstanding work.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Thanks Ron the Bear. Yeh your second post answered the question I was asking. I tried to word my question to only get results like Matthews and Barrasi, not just players like Tuck who didnt coach but played in heaps of Premierships.

Interesting to note that none of the players/coaches to achive this feat, and play in two or more Premierships did it with two different clubs. This leads to a second question how many players have played in a Premiership at two differnt clubs??

Thanks again for the outstanding work.

Abbott, Gordon    Ge 1937           Es 1942,1946
Ball, Jason       WC 1994           Sy 2005
Caine, Frank      Ca 1906,1907      Es 1912
Caracella, Blake  Es 2000           Br 2003
Carney, Jack      Ge 1931           Ca 1938
Crosswell, Brent  Ca 1968,1970      NM 1975,1977
Davis, Barry      Es 1962,1965      NM 1975
Dew, Stuart       PA 2004           Ha 2008
Diggins, Brighton Sy 1933           Ca 1938
Drohan, Eddie     Fi 1898,1899      Co 1903
Edmonds, Horrie   Co 1929,1930      Ri 1934
Fitzmaurice, Tom  Es 1923,1924*     Ge 1925
Grace, Mick       Fi 1898,1899      Ca 1906,1907
Hardwick, Damien  Es 2000           PA 2004
Jarman, Darren    Ha 1991           Ad 1997,1998
Leach, Arthur     Es 1897*          Co 1902,1903
Martin, Jim       Es 1912           Fi 1913
McLean, Peter     Me 1964           Ca 1968
Mooney, Cameron   NM 1999           Ge 2007,2009
Norris, Charlie   Co 1910           Fi 1913,1916
Pickett, Byron    NM 1999           PA 2004
Pike, Martin      NM 1999           Br 2001,2002,2003
Rowlings, Barry   Ha 1976           Ri 1980
Stackpole, Keith  Co 1935,1936      Fi 1944
Stewart, Ian      St 1966           Ri 1973
Wade, Doug        Ge 1963           NM 1975
Wanganeen, Gavin  Es 1993           PA 2004
Wood, Bryan       Ri 1973,1974,1980 Es 1985

* There was no GF in 1897 or 1924. Fitzmaurice played every match in 1924 except for Round 1, but Leach only played four matches (Rounds 9-12) in 1897.

Edmonds is unique in playing in a winning grand final against his future premiership club. Drohan, Grace and Leach all went on to play in winning grand finals against their old side.

 

[just_kick_it]

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Thanks for that Ron. Who knows Damien Hardwick could be the first player/coach to play at two different clubs for two Premierships and then take a club to a Premiership as coach. Unlikly but you never know, Leigh Matthews took the Lions from 16th to 4th in a year and to a Premiership in 3 years.

 

[Connor7395]

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Time for a Grand Final stats question!

This has only happened in 1914, 1917, 1944, 1963, 1980, 1993 and now, 2010.

WHAT DO THESE GRAND FINALS HAVE IN COMMON? Answer after the Grand Final if nobody gets it.

Answer: Both the Grand Finalists who played that day had played in a draw with each other/another club. 1993 is special because Essendon and Carlton drew each other and later met in the Grannie.

What do you know? Special coincidence! This Grand Final WAS a draw!

 

[RogersResults]

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Time for a Grand Final stats question!

This has only happened in 1914, 1917, 1944, 1963, 1980, 1993 and now, 2010.

WHAT DO THESE GRAND FINALS HAVE IN COMMON? Answer after the Grand Final if nobody gets it.

Answer: Both the Grand Finalists who played that day had played in a draw with each other/another club. 1993 is special because Essendon and Carlton drew each other and later met in the Grannie.

What do you know? Special coincidence! This Grand Final WAS a draw!

Geelong and Hawthorn also drew each other in 1963 and later met in the GF.

(Read about it in this book: Cats in Command.)

 

[red+black]

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Collingwood's inside 50 differential was +27 today.

How does that rank for teams that failed to win the match?

 

[Connor7395]

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Collingwood's inside 50 differential was +27 today.

How does that rank for teams that failed to win the match?

I'd say EPIC FAIL because this was a Grand Final. And the kicking.....I'm happy Saints won!

 

[*Paul*]

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Collingwood's inside 50 differential was +27 today.

How does that rank for teams that failed to win the match?

1998  61 Adelaide                       59 North Melbourne
1999  54 North Melbourne                54 Carlton
2000  44 Melbourne                      72 Essendon
2001  56 Brisbane Lions                 47 Essendon
2002  58 Brisbane Lions                 46 Collingwood
2003  52 Brisbane Lions                 42 Collingwood
2004  52 Port Adelaide                  47 Brisbane Lions
2005  41 Sydney                         51 West Coast
2006  51 Sydney                         48 West Coast
2007  38 Port Adelaide                  69 Geelong
2008  43 Hawthorn                       62 Geelong
2009  58 St Kilda                       42 Geelong
2010  35 St Kilda                       62 Collingwood

 

[red+black]

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I meant for any game, not Grand Finals. I wouldn't think too many teams have had 27 more Inside 50s and not won the game.

 

[DeanoT]

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1998  61 Adelaide                       59 North Melbourne
1999  54 North Melbourne                54 Carlton
2000  44 Melbourne                      72 Essendon
2001  56 Brisbane Lions                 47 Essendon
2002  58 Brisbane Lions                 46 Collingwood
2003  52 Brisbane Lions                 42 Collingwood
2004  52 Port Adelaide                  47 Brisbane Lions
2005  41 Sydney                         51 West Coast
2006  51 Sydney                         48 West Coast
2007  38 Port Adelaide                  69 Geelong
2008  43 Hawthorn                       62 Geelong
2009  58 St Kilda                       42 Geelong
2010  35 St Kilda                       62 Collingwood

So from 2005 - 2010 (6 GFs) only once has the team with the most Inside 50s has won the game, only exception being the 07 whitewash.