Stats questions

[The Passenger]

where does freo's 13 behinds in a quarter rank??

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/allteams/gamer.html#11

according to that list there is a handful also with 13, whilst Collingwoods had 16 third quarter behinds in their 30 behind effort which leads the way on there but it's by no means exhaustive

 

[RogersResults]

where does freo's 13 behinds in a quarter rank??

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/allteams/gamer.html#11

according to that list there is a handful also with 13, whilst Collingwoods had 16 third quarter behinds in their 30 behind effort which leads the way on there but it's by no means exhaustive

Equal 2nd most in a second quarter.

9 first quarter scores with 13 or more behinds - 15 the most.
11 2nd quarter scores with 13 or more behinds - 14 the most (includes Fremantle round 17 2012.)
10 3rd quarter scores with 13 or more behinds - 16 the most
9 last quarter scores with 13 or more behinds - 14 the most.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

At St Kilda 2007-11: 89.3 v 78.0
At Fremantle 2012: 81.2 v 83.2 (15 matches.)

You little beauty.

As for the score averages, what a boring lot of games.

 

[PapaJ]

At St Kilda 2007-11: 89.3 v 78.0
At Fremantle 2012: 81.2 v 83.2 (15 matches.)

You little beauty.

As for the score averages, what a boring lot of games.

FWIW, if you include the last couple of Freo games (against poor opponents of course) it's:

84.38 v 80.31 (17 matches)

 

[RogersResults]

FWIW, if you include the last couple of Freo games (against poor opponents of course) it's:

84.38 v 80.31 (17 matches)

The figures are correct but only if the Dockers have a draw in round 18.

If they want to give teams a break have some 'split rounds' so that the number of matches played and the round number stay in sync. 17 rounds for 16 matches adds some evident confusion.

 

[Strauchanside]

Okay, here's one I would like to know, have any sides won the premiership depite losing their last three home and away matches? Except Fitzroy's 1916 flag (if they did, I don't rate b/c only four teams competed)

 

[Ron The Bear]

Okay, here's one I would like to know, have any sides won the premiership depite losing their last three home and away matches? Except Fitzroy's 1916 flag (if they did, I don't rate b/c only four teams competed)

Melbourne 1960. Melbourne also lost its last three before the sectional rounds in 1900.

 

[RogersResults]

Okay, here's one I would like to know, have any sides won the premiership depite losing their last three home and away matches? Except Fitzroy's 1916 flag (if they did, I don't rate b/c only four teams competed)

Melbourne lost their last four in 1900 and their last three in 1960.
Fitzroy in 1916 went into the finals with 9 straight losses.

Melbourne in 1900 finished 6 out of 8 with 6 wins and 8 losses after each team had played each other twice.
The teams were then divided into two sections of four teams each ('conferences') and there was a redraw with each team in the section playing the other once. The two teams finishing on top of the sectional ladders then would play off for the premiership providing one was the team that had finished on top. Melbourne headed their sectional ladder on percentage from Collingwood but Fitzroy who had finished top after the first round of 14 matches was second behind Essendon on their sectional ladder. Melbourne beat Essendon in the final and subsequently Fitzroy in the grand final. After 1900 the sectional matches were still played but were included in the existing ladder and only the top 4 played finals.

In 1916 in what was virtually a break-away competition with a majority of clubs believing it was unpatriotic to play with the war going on, the first round of 12 matches was just to see who finished on top and had the 'double chance' in the finals. That was Carlton who had to beaten twice to take the premiership from them which Fitzroy duly did.

In 1960 Melbourne, who with three matches to go were on top of the ladder by 8 points and over 20% appeared to take a 'rest' and dropped the last three matches, including losing to the year's wooden-spooner, Richmond.
Apparently refreshed they easily won both their finals to take the flag - their opponents Collingwood and Fitzroy only managing 6 goals between them.

 

[RogersResults]

Melbourne 1960. Melbourne also lost its last three before the sectional rounds in 1900.

In 1900 round 3 was played on August 18 the week after round 14 . So Melbourne lost their last 4 matches before the sectional rounds.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

In 1900 round 3 was played on August 18 the week after round 14 . So Melbourne lost their last 4 matches before the sectional rounds.

I don't reckon there will be one query in which we've got you guys stumped.

Let's try this one.

Has any club ever played a season without a debutante?

 

[stemline]

Hawthorn's last 7 games they've kicked 100+ and kept the opposition to sub-100. What's the longest such streak?

 

[PapaJ]

The figures are correct but only if the Dockers have a draw in round 18.

If they want to give teams a break have some 'split rounds' so that the number of matches played and the round number stay in sync. 17 rounds for 16 matches adds some evident confusion.

Ha ha, make sure your numbers are right if you're going to post any in this thread is the lesson isn't it ... yes, it I should have said 16 games.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I don't reckon there will be one query in which we've got you guys stumped.

Let's try this one.

Has any club ever played a season without a debutante?

Lowest is one, by
Essendon 1964
Carlton 1996
Brisbane 1999
Essendon 2000
North Melbourne 2002
Melbourne 2005
Richmond 2008 (my God Terry, where were you taking us??)
St.Kilda 2009
Collingwood 2010

 

[McCrann]

Has a player ever got Brownlow votes after being subbed/starting as sub?

Petrie a strong chance tonight.

Are you including the old "reserve" system that used to be in place? Surely would have happened some time ago....

 

[RogersResults]

Hawthorn's last 7 games they've kicked 100+ and kept the opposition to sub-100. What's the longest such streak?

The most I can find is 7.
Brisbane 7 rounds 15 to 21 2002
Carlton 7 rounds 10 to 16 1994
Collingwood 7 rounds 12-18 1930
Essendon 7 round 20 1985 to round 2 1986
Geelong 7 rounds 2 to 8 2009

7 may be the 'barrier' - its up to the Hawks to prove that false or the Bombers to continue it.

 

[stemline]

Thanks for that. On a different note, Hawthorn's never had a season without at least 1 player playing every game. Is that the norm across all clubs?

 

[stemline]

The most I can find is 7.
Brisbane 7 rounds 15 to 21 2002
Carlton 7 rounds 10 to 16 1994
Collingwood 7 rounds 12-18 1930
Essendon 7 round 20 1985 to round 2 1986
Geelong 7 rounds 2 to 8 2009

7 may be the 'barrier' - its up to the Hawks to prove that false or the Bombers to continue it.

Just pointed out to me that Carlton did it 10 times in a row in 2000...?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Thanks for that. On a different note, Hawthorn's never had a season without at least 1 player playing every game. Is that the norm across all clubs?

6 seasons - Melbourne
5 - Collingwood, North Melbourne
4 - Essendon, Geelong
3 - Richmond, St.Kilda, Sydney
2 - Carlton, Western Bulldogs
1 - West Coast, Fitzroy, University
0 - Adelaide, Brisbane, Fremantle, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Port Adelaide

 

[stemline]

So not the norm for the older clubs... Cheers for that!

 

[Ron The Bear]

Just pointed out to me that Carlton did it 10 times in a row in 2000...?

Rounds 6-15, which is the record.

Found a few other 7's:
Sydney R11-17 1987
Collingwood R14-20 2010
Collingwood GF 2010 - R6 2011

Questions involving sequences are often curly to answer and depending on database structure, might require some code. It sounds like Rogers might've tried to do this one manually, I've been guilty of it many times.

 

[grimlock]

This should be easy to work out but I can't find it anywhere. What's the earliest and latest times that a sub has been activated?

 

[liam_13]

Are you including the old "reserve" system that used to be in place? Surely would have happened some time ago....

Current sub rule that has been in place from start of 2011. Green/red vest one.

 

[McCrann]

Melbourne lost their last four in 1900 and their last three in 1960.
Fitzroy in 1916 went into the finals with 9 straight losses.

Melbourne in 1900 finished 6 out of 8 with 6 wins and 8 losses after each team had played each other twice.
The teams were then divided into two sections of four teams each ('conferences') and there was a redraw with each team in the section playing the other once. The two teams finishing on top of the sectional ladders then would play off for the premiership providing one was the team that had finished on top. Melbourne headed their sectional ladder on percentage from Collingwood but Fitzroy who had finished top after the first round of 14 matches was second behind Essendon on their sectional ladder. Melbourne beat Essendon in the final and subsequently Fitzroy in the grand final. After 1900 the sectional matches were still played but were included in the existing ladder and only the top 4 played finals.

In 1916 in what was virtually a break-away competition with a majority of clubs believing it was unpatriotic to play with the war going on, the first round of 12 matches was just to see who finished on top and had the 'double chance' in the finals. That was Carlton who had to beaten twice to take the premiership from them which Fitzroy duly did.

In 1960 Melbourne, who with three matches to go were on top of the ladder by 8 points and over 20% appeared to take a 'rest' and dropped the last three matches, including losing to the year's wooden-spooner, Richmond.
Apparently refreshed they easily won both their finals to take the flag - their opponents Collingwood and Fitzroy only managing 6 goals between them.

So, Melbourne "tanked" it up? I guess that means there's a long history of it at the club. Has the VFL/AFL ever looked into this and perhaps taken some of their draft picks away from them?

What is the statute of limitations on these sort of penalties? For instance, how far back did the AFL look through Carlton's sordid (recent?) history in determining their penalties in 2002*? (Did they look back to when Jack started at the club as President, ie pre-AFL?) Can anyone put a date on what time period the penalties applied to?

*In terms of Carlton's penalties, they were not excessive at all. The problem Carlton had was the utterly unbalanced nature of their list (The most prominent current team example of this being the Western Bulldogs - who i still maintain are a good chance to finish 16th this year).

 

[McCrann]

Current sub rule that has been in place from start of 2011. Green/red vest one.

Yes, i understand that - but in terms of the question, they are effectively exactly the same thing. Reserve/ Substitute in effect being interchangeable.

For instance, should all the records for Footscray be included with the Western Bulldogs or excluded because of different words being used (to describe the same thing)?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Lowest is one, by
Essendon 1964
Carlton 1996
Brisbane 1999
Essendon 2000
North Melbourne 2002
Melbourne 2005
Richmond 2008 (my God Terry, where were you taking us??)
St.Kilda 2009
Collingwood 2010

Once again, you've blown me away.

As for Plough, do you reckon he had any idea about how to approach the Richmond mentality?

And as a side note, the one player who debuted in 2008 just happened to wear the same number as the teams' ladder position.