Stats questions

[Nothing]

I suggest lighting up a joint and joining the hippie commune on the recreational drugs alternate reality thread.

Perhaps that may enligthen me... I should have said, someone on the Freo forum was suggesting that stats were pointless and that you might as well ask the above. I was hoping to be able to give them an answer they didn't want and weren't expecting to get. This was in response to a thread which has Pav as the 4th person to reach 5000 possessions and 500 goals, along with Leigh Matthews, Chris Grant and Brad Johnson.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Perhaps that may enligthen me... I should have said, someone on the Freo forum was suggesting that stats were pointless and that you might as well ask the above. I was hoping to be able to give them an answer they didn't want and weren't expecting to get. This was in response to a thread which has Pav as the 4th person to reach 5000 possessions and 500 goals, along with Leigh Matthews, Chris Grant and Brad Johnson.

Fair enough. Occasionally someone stumbles onto this board and attempts to take the piss in an inane way. Plus my humour detector's not working well lately.

1000 Test runs & 100 wickets is a time-honoured bracket among cricketers, but I guess footy statistics don't have the same tradition.

No player has recorded those stats, based on available figures (i.e Paul's site). Jack Dyer's one who would've been a chance, had full records existed.

 

[Nothing]

Cetainly wasn't taking the piss (of you guys), I appreciate the work you do. Did there used to be a resource where you run a query (like the above) or is it all manual work.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Cetainly wasn't taking the piss (of you guys), I appreciate the work you do. Did there used to be a resource where you run a query (like the above) or is it all manual work.

None that I know of. There's a fair bit more work involved in setting up a web interface to accept parameters from users than simply outputting raw data in static pages. Then you'd get endless requests for different queries to be set up, and you'd be expected to test and support them for free...

 

[Nothing]

Yeah I understand. Cheers for the input.

 

[the croucher]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-19/giants-shoot-for-six-wins
According to an article on the AFL website, Kevin Sheedy is quoted as saying that GWS in the 2012 season played the "...most first-game players in the history of footy..." I've had a look at the GWS player list and by my calculations there were 35 players who played their first game at AFL level.

That is nothing like a record for VFL/AFL teams. It appears to me to be nothing more than another throwaway "fact" tossed into the public domain simply to boost the stature of modern or present-day players at the expense of earlier generations.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least 10 to 15 instances where the figure is beaten by VFL/AFL teams of previous eras. In 1897 for instance, Carlton, Essendon, Fitzroy, Melbourne and St Kilda all used more than 35 players in their first year.

What is the record ?

 

[Ron The Bear]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2012-12-19/giants-shoot-for-six-wins
According to an article on the AFL website, Kevin Sheedy is quoted as saying that GWS in the 2012 season played the "...most first-game players in the history of footy..." I've had a look at the GWS player list and by my calculations there were 35 players who played their first game at AFL level.

That is nothing like a record for VFL/AFL teams. It appears to me to be nothing more than another throwaway "fact" tossed into the public domain simply to boost the stature of modern or present-day players at the expense of earlier generations.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least 10 to 15 instances where the figure is beaten by VFL/AFL teams of previous eras. In 1897 for instance, Carlton, Essendon, Fitzroy, Melbourne and St Kilda all used more than 35 players in their first year.

What is the record ?

Players|Club|Season
\41|St.Kilda|1897
\39|Carlton|1897
\38|Melbourne|1897
\37|Fitzroy|1897
\36|Essendon|1897
\36|Greater Western Sydney|2012
\35|St.Kilda|1909
\34|Geelong|1897
\34|Gold Coast|2011
\33|St.Kilda|1898
\33|St.Kilda|1911
\31|Collingwood|1897
\31|St.Kilda|1920
\30|Adelaide|1991

 

[Tarkyn_24]

These players registered zero disposals in their only game. Couple of intriguing ones - Andy Demetriou, and the appropriately named Barry Ough (well I'm pronouncing it 'O', anyway).

Player|Club|Career
\Reinmuth, Paul|Ha|1974
\Lorenzini, John|Fi|1975
\Ough, Barry|Me|1975
\McDonald, Lachie|Co|1976
\Demetriou, Andy S.|Sy|1977
\Fox, Wayne|WB|1978
\Wall, Mark|Sy|1983
\Newman, Steven|Fi|1988
\Green, Peter|Ca|1994
\Hemley, Chris|St|1995
\Smart, Sam|Ca|1997
\Griffin, Dwayne|Co|1997
\Roach, Danny|Co|2001
\Hall, Ken|Es|2002

Thanks to Paul's AFL Tables site.

Collingwood's Danny Nicholls had 3 touches (I think ) in his only game, for a career total of -14 Supercoach points off the top of my head.

Does that make him more or less successful than these guys?

 

[the croucher]

Players|Club|Season
\41|St.Kilda|1897
\39|Carlton|1897
\38|Melbourne|1897
\37|Fitzroy|1897
\37|Greater Western Sydney|2012
\36|Essendon|1897
\35|St.Kilda|1909
\34|Geelong|1897
\34|Gold Coast|2011
\33|St.Kilda|1898
\33|St.Kilda|1911
\31|Collingwood|1897
\31|St.Kilda|1920
\30|Adelaide|1991

..mmm..I missed Kennedy on my initial run through the GWS list, but that only brings tally up to 36 first-gamers by my reckoning.
Adams, Aylett, Bruce, Bugg, Buntine, Cameron, Clifton, Coniglio, Cooyou, Darley, Edwards, Folau, Frost, Giles, Golds, Greene, Hampton, Haynes, Hombsch, Hoskin-Elliott, Kennedy, Miles, Mohr, Patton, Phillips, Schulz, Shiel, Smith, Sumner, Tomlinson, Townsend, Trealoar, Tyson, Ugle, Whiley, Wilson.

Missed any have I ?

 

[Ron The Bear]

..mmm..I missed Kennedy on my initial run through the GWS list, but that only brings tally up to 36 first-gamers by my reckoning.
Adams, Aylett, Bruce, Bugg, Buntine, Cameron, Clifton, Coniglio, Cooyou, Darley, Edwards, Folau, Frost, Giles, Golds, Greene, Hampton, Haynes, Hombsch, Hoskin-Elliott, Kennedy, Miles, Mohr, Patton, Phillips, Schulz, Shiel, Smith, Sumner, Tomlinson, Townsend, Trealoar, Tyson, Ugle, Whiley, Wilson.

Missed any have I ?

I had Sam Reid incorrectly listed as a separate player to Sam J. Reid, ex-Sydney and Bulldogs. Cheers.

 

[Wallaby]

Quick question which might have been asked before (when you notice it sticks out like proverbials).

Essendon finished 2012 with 11 wins, 11 losses and a percentage of 100.05. (2091 for, 2090 against).

Is the this the most 'average' season on record?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Quick question which might have been asked before (when you notice it sticks out like proverbials).

Essendon finished 2012 with 11 wins, 11 losses and a percentage of 100.05. (2091 for, 2090 against).

Is the this the most 'average' season on record?

South Melbourne 1930 - 9 wins, 9 losses, percentage 100.0000000%

 

[Wallaby]

Footscray 1930 - 9 wins, 9 losses, percentage 100.0000000%

I knew there had to be an exact match.
Edit: It was Sth Melbourne, not Footscray.

 

[worbod]

What are some of the highest possession counts players have accrued in a game without kicking a goal?

 

[tiger dream]

So the Saints used 74 players in their 1st 2 seasons.Have St.Kilda had the most leauge players over the years ?.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Quick question which might have been asked before (when you notice it sticks out like proverbials).

Essendon finished 2012 with 11 wins, 11 losses and a percentage of 100.05. (2091 for, 2090 against).

Is the this the most 'average' season on record?

To add to this, Essendon in 2011 also recorded a percentage of 100.00% (2217/2217), though a draw against Cartlon resulted in a W/D/L column reading 11/1/10

 

[RedmanWasHere]

What's the biggest height difference between guernsey number swaps?

E.g. John Butcher 2010-2012 (197cm) and Jake Neade 2013- (170cm) with Port Adelaide's No. 32.

 

[Wallaby]

Perhaps that may enligthen me... I should have said, someone on the Freo forum was suggesting that stats were pointless and that you might as well ask the above. I was hoping to be able to give them an answer they didn't want and weren't expecting to get. This was in response to a thread which has Pav as the 4th person to reach 5000 possessions and 500 goals, along with Leigh Matthews, Chris Grant and Brad Johnson.

I'd be very surprised if Kevin Bartlett wasn't on that list. That's only 12 possessions per game! That was a decent first quarter for KB! (All kicks, of course).

I appreciate that the complete stats aren't available - but considering he had nearly 4700 possessions in the 223 games that we have reliable statistics for (1974 on), that means he would have had to have just over 300 possessions total in the other 180 games he played - as first rover in a multiple premiership team. I don't know if he would have kept his spot averaging 1.5 touches per game. We do know he kicked 215 goals in those 180 games.

And on KB - where we have the decent stats, it shows he averaged 18.5 kicks, to 2.6 handballs. Is that the worst ratio (of those who played a reasonable number of games - say 100+)?

 

[arkie]

Where can I get the average DreamTeam points scored against each team in 2012? Or the total DT points then I can work out the averages on my own!

 

[damuzzdu]

Here is question that should have our stats gurus digging for some good answers...

Try to find 3 players that have played in same team and those players can then be linked across decades....

ie Whitten-Quinlan-Blakey so you have 50-60-70-80-90-00's

 

[FootyMaths]

Here is question that should have our stats gurus digging for some good answers...

Try to find 3 players that have played in same team and those players can then be linked across decades....

ie Whitten-Quinlan-Blakey so you have 50-60-70-80-90-00's

CLARIFYING THIS...
Looking for 3 players that combined have played across 6 (or more!!) decades.
- Dont have to have played all years (i.e. T.Watson etc ...missed seasons is OK)
- Must have played a game together to connect.
- Players can have played for different clubs, but in connecting game they must be team mates.
- Restricted to VFL/AFL only.

 

[worbod]

Unsure if there are a finite total of answers for this question but, how about starting with John Nicholls, Bruce Doull and Craig Bradley, which is another link between 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s.

 

[damuzzdu]

Unsure if there are a finite total of answers for this question but, how about starting with John Nicholls, Bruce Doull and Craig Bradley, which is another link between 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s.

Yes that is one link that has been established.

Plus:
Nicholls/Maclure/Bradley
Nicholls/Ashman/Bradley

 

[The Swert]

K Fletcher/T Watson/D Fletcher (60s,70s,80s,90s,00s,10s)

 

[RedmanWasHere]

On that, is there a way through 3 players we can link the '40's, '50's, '60's, '70's, '80's and '90's?