Stats questions

[RogersResults]

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Matches won after trailing by 24 points or more at 1/2 time as a percentage of total matches played.​

1897-2013 Round 5​

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Matches won after trailing by 24 points or more at 1/2 time as a percentage of total matches played.​

1997-2013 Round 5.​

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Percentage of matches played trailing by 24 points or more at 1/2 time.​

1897-2013 Round 5​

 

[35Daicos]

Thanks Rogers for your great info. As you have stated, stats relating to progressive margins within quarters do not date back a long way, but do you happen to have any stats for the game the Bulldogs played against Geelong in round 12, 2001. We were 47 points down in the second quarter, but my most recent edition of the AFL Season Guide (2011) does not feature this comeback in its Biggest Comebacks section within its Games Records chapter.
I'm also trying to discover the minute mark of the second quarter versus North Melbourne in round 15, 2000 when we were 42 points down.

Hopefully this provides the answer in one case:-

http://footystats.freeservers.com/Special/2001review.html

Bulldogs in amazing comeback <>The Bulldogs staged their second-best recovery on record – against Geelong they were 47 points down 15 minutes into the second term and won by seven points … the recovery is topped only by the 52pt revival from a 2nd quarter deficit at the 22 minute mark of the 1978-R5 game against Essendon at Western Oval which the Dogs won by 17 points, 15.20-110 to 13.15-93 …

I've been trying to find the exact answer(s) using The Internet Archive Wayback Machine (http://archive.org/web/web.php) and have found plenty of reports at the likes of realfooty.com.au and afl.com.au, but in none of them is an exact time mentioned.

This comeback should make it onto the list you mentioned in the Biggest Comebacks section of the AFL Record Season Guide (as a 47 points deficit is the starting point), but it's not in the 2013 edition either.

 

[RogersResults]

Hopefully this provides the answer in one case:-

http://footystats.freeservers.com/Special/2001review.html

Bulldogs in amazing comeback <>The Bulldogs staged their second-best recovery on record – against Geelong they were 47 points down 15 minutes into the second term and won by seven points … the recovery is topped only by the 52pt revival from a 2nd quarter deficit at the 22 minute mark of the 1978-R5 game against Essendon at Western Oval which the Dogs won by 17 points, 15.20-110 to 13.15-93 …

I've been trying to find the exact answer(s) using The Internet Archive Wayback Machine (http://archive.org/web/web.php) and have found plenty of reports at the likes of realfooty.com.au and afl.com.au, but in none of them is an exact time mentioned.

This comeback should make it onto the list you mentioned in the Biggest Comebacks section of the AFL Record Season Guide (as a 47 points deficit is the starting point), but it's not in the 2013 edition either.

In quarter deficits will never be definitive as accounts of them are sometimes not extant. (What appear to be extradorninary scoring events in hindsight often get no mention in contemporary reports.) I'm sure that there most be some that we will never know about where no note was made of scores at particular time intervals beyond the quarter breaks. Only 4 during the quarter in the Season Guide's list are before 1980 and none are before 1970.

The Dogs recovery in 2001 should get a mention in the AFL Season Guide (let them know). It seems to fit the criteria.

 

[35Daicos]

In quarter deficits will never be definitive as accounts of them are sometimes not extant. (What appear to be extradorninary scoring events in hindsight often get no mention in contemporary reports.) I'm sure that there most be some that we will never know about where no note was made of scores at particular time intervals beyond the quarter breaks. Only 4 during the quarter in the Season Guide's list are before 1980 and none are before 1970.

The Dogs recovery in 2001 should get a mention in the AFL Season Guide (let them know). It seems to fit the criteria.

Yes, they really should add "documented cases only", as they do with Players Who Scored A Goal With Their First Kick At AFL Level, as it's obviously misleading. I'll send them an email regarding the 2001 comeback.

 

[The Passenger]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/shannon-hurn.1001994/#post-28018802

as per that post i was looking at how much more deadlier west coast are when hurn gets the ball.

i don't know if RTB keeps player disposal stats but hopefully, or otherwise Paul might be able to query his database. I just want to see what current day players have a greater discrepancy in team winning % when they have x amount of kicks as opposed to when they have less than x amount of kicks.

x though i'm having trouble determining. i don't know if it could be a set amount because a guy like hurn isn't a huge disposal getter so 15 kicks is a lot for him, whereas someone like swan is expected to get 15 kicks every single week.

probably x would be best as the players median kicks per game?

also i'm never sure how you're supposed to work out differential when it comes to %'s.... using the hurn example is 70% compared to 43% a 27% increase in win rate, or is 70/43 which equals 162% increase in win rate? i'll leave that up to you guys

 

[Ron The Bear]

also i'm never sure how you're supposed to work out differential when it comes to %'s.... using the hurn example is 70% compared to 43% a 27% increase in win rate, or is 70/43 which equals 162% increase in win rate? i'll leave that up to you guys

That's a 62% increase. Will look into the kicks thing later, bit busy ATM.

 

[SJ]

also i'm never sure how you're supposed to work out differential when it comes to %'s.... using the hurn example is 70% compared to 43% a 27% increase in win rate, or is 70/43 which equals 162% increase in win rate? i'll leave that up to you guys

You can either say a 27 percentage point increase, or 62% increase.

 

[SJ]

The 968th-971st players to represent Geelong at VFL/AFL level all went on to play 200 games. Have there been any longer streaks of club debutants to all reach the 200-game mark?

 

[Ron The Bear]

The 968th-971st players to represent Geelong at VFL/AFL level all went on to play 200 games. Have there been any longer streaks of club debutants to all reach the 200-game mark?

It's a little bit subjective since if players debut on the same day, the sequence runs in alphabetical order. Hence you could have three in a row to play 200 games, next match Smith and Jones debut, Smith plays 200 and Jones plays 1 and the sequence is broken.

Running a raw query without closer inspection turns up one other instance - Leon Davis (225 Collingwood games), Josh Fraser (200), Ben Johnson (235) and Shane O'Bree (227) all debuted on March 13, 2000. Damien Adkins and Andrew Ukovic also debuted that day and conveniently alphabetically bookended the other four. Tarkyn Lockyer (227) was the previous Collingwood player, so technically they could claim five in a row.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Related to the above, Ross Smith (player #1081) was only the second St.Kilda player to reach 200 games for the club!

 

[*Paul*]

probably x would be best as the players median kicks per game?

I used career average kicks (cuz it's easier), 50+ games

+45.31        Sam Jacobs                    22-7-0    75.86          11-25-0   30.56
+39.76        Stephen Hill                  28-10-0   73.68          19-37-0   33.93
+39.10        Michael Hurley                24-13-2   64.10          7-21-0    25.00
+34.13        Zac Dawson                    40-11-1   77.88          20-26-2   43.75
+32.86        Lewis Jetta                   28-6-1    81.43          17-18-0   48.57
+31.83        Scott Selwood                 30-17-0   63.83          16-34-0   32.00
+31.82        Grant Birchall                54-12-0   81.82          45-45-1   50.00
+31.27        Taylor Walker                 26-15-0   63.41          9-19-0    32.14
+31.26        Steve Johnson                 85-11-0   88.54          58-43-2   57.28
+31.08        Eddie Betts                   52-43-1   54.69          16-54-2   23.61
+30.43        Nick Riewoldt                 92-41-3   68.75          40-65-2   38.32
+30.07        Stephen Milne                 83-32-2   71.79          59-83-3   41.72
 
+16.47        Shannon Hurn                  39-27-0   59.09          26-35-0   42.62

49 of 286 players had better results when failing to collect their average.

 

[Catsace]

Thanks Rogers for your great info. As you have stated, stats relating to progressive margins within quarters do not date back a long way, but do you happen to have any stats for the game the Bulldogs played against Geelong in round 12, 2001. We were 47 points down in the second quarter, but my most recent edition of the AFL Season Guide (2011) does not feature this comeback in its Biggest Comebacks section within its Games Records chapter.
I'm also trying to discover the minute mark of the second quarter versus North Melbourne in round 15, 2000 when we were 42 points down.

Dogs just couldn't fail to kick a goal that day, as a festival of accuracy saw your side come over the top (i think this game was among a sequence of 3-4 games at K.P where the Dogs would beat the Cats. From memory i was late to the game and walked toward the ground and heard the score something like 10.2 to 3.3 or similar. Dogs wound up with 15.4 and won by 7 points.

 

[stemline]

It's a little bit subjective since if players debut on the same day, the sequence runs in alphabetical order. Hence you could have three in a row to play 200 games, next match Smith and Jones debut, Smith plays 200 and Jones plays 1 and the sequence is broken.

Running a raw query without closer inspection turns up one other instance - Leon Davis (225 Collingwood games), Josh Fraser (200), Ben Johnson (235) and Shane O'Bree (227) all debuted on March 13, 2000. Damien Adkins and Andrew Ukovic also debuted that day and conveniently alphabetically bookended the other four. Tarkyn Lockyer (227) was the previous Collingwood player, so technically they could claim five in a row.

Hawthorn players 854, 855 & 856 (Schoenmakers, Suckling and Whitecross) all did ACLs in the last 8 months. 857 (Beau Muston) got all 3 of his out of the way a few years earlier.

Worst stat ever?

 

[spookism]

With Ken Hinkley going down with a virus and Alan Richardson stepping up, it is technically 4 coaches in the last 11 games. Is there any other situation similar to this?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Hawthorn players 854, 855 & 856 (Schoenmakers, Suckling and Whitecross) all did ACLs in the last 8 months. 857 (Beau Muston) got all 3 of his out of the way a few years earlier.

Worst stat ever?

What about the bodies of the 853nd and 858th players for the Hawks?

 

[worbod]

How many verified dates of birth are there for the 10,000 plus VFL/AFL players?
Is there at present a player birthdate for every date of the year, including February 29?

 

[35Daicos]

What about the bodies of the 853nd and 858th players for the Hawks?

853 - Brent Renouf - no longer the Hawks worry, I guess, but going ok.
858 - Liam Shiels - going fine.

 

[Ron The Bear]

How many verified dates of birth are there for the 10,000 plus VFL/AFL players?
Is there at present a player birthdate for every date of the year, including February 29?

Read somewhere (Sunday HS, maybe) that the birthdates of all but seven players were known. That was about three years ago. I used to rely on the now-defunct historical stats section on the AFL website for the data, which was updated periodically. My database is still missing 22.

I've got 6 players born February 29, including two current ones in Lindsay Thomas and Brent Macaffer! Next lowest is 19 for January 13 and July 8. Most is 52 for March 24 and September 22 & 29.

 

[SJ]

Read somewhere (Sunday HS, maybe) that the birthdates of all but seven players were known. That was about three years ago. I used to rely on the now-defunct historical stats section on the AFL website for the data, which was updated periodically. My database is still missing 22.

I've got 6 players born February 29, including two current ones in Lindsay Thomas and Brent Macaffer! Next lowest is 19 for January 13 and July 8. Most is 52 for March 24 and September 22 & 29.

Vale.

 

[35Daicos]

Ok, kind of following on from a topic in another (nearby) thread, what is the longest gap between wins in a final (for any club)l?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Ok, kind of following on from a topic in another (nearby) thread, what is the longest gap between wins in a final (for any club)l?

Days|Club|Year Fn|Year Fn
\18620|Sy|1945 SF|1996 QF
\10262|Ge|1897 RR|1925 GF
\9863|Fi|1952 SF|1979 EF
\9499|St|1939 SF|1965 SF
\9485|St|1913 PF|1939 SF
\9135|Me|1900 GF|1925 SF
\8765|WB|1961 PF|1985 SF
\8387|Me|1964 GF|1987 EF
\8386|Ri|1944 PF|1967 SF
\6937|St|1973 EF|1992 EF

For each club, with days from first game - first winning final, and days from last winning final - 6/9/13 (from first game for GC, GWS & Un):

Club|Days|Year Fn|Year Fn|First|Current
\Ad|1463|1993 EF|1997 QF|898|357
\Br|1813|2004 PF|2009 EF|3451|1462
\Ca|4739|1949 SF|1962 SF|2681|726
\Co|4353|1990 GF|2002 QF|105|356
\Es|5460|1968 PF|1983 EF|105|3289
\Fr|1450|2006 SF|2010 EF|4185|363
\Ge|10262|1897 RR|1925 GF|112|706
\GC|||||888
\GWS|||||531
\Ha|3240|1991 GF|2000 EF|11809|349
\Me|9135|1900 GF|1925 SF|1225|2555
\NM|5852|1958 SF|1974 QF|9268|2183
\PA|733|2005 EF|2007 QF|1994|2176
\Ri|8386|1944 PF|1967 SF|4158|4374
\St|9499|1939 SF|1965 SF|5964|1084
\Sy|18620|1945 SF|1996 QF|3773|342
\WC|2191|1999 QF|2005 QF|1273|362
\WB|8765|1961 PF|1985 SF|10353|1091
\Fi|9863|1952 SF|1979 EF|497|9854
\Un|||||38478

 

[35Daicos]

For each club, with days from first game - first winning final, and days from last winning final - 6/9/13 (from first game for GC, GWS & Un):

Thanks very much for that, Ron. I was only really looking for a 3 or 4 word answer, but clearly didn't word the question all that well!

Memo to self:- never drink and post.

 

[El_Scorcho]

My question is about free kick differentials in a game.

Obviously in the North v Port game there was a differential of 23. When was the last time a differential was that great and how often does something like that happen?

 

[Old_Man_James]

After the game tonight they stated that the last 6 times that Geelong have started the season 6-0 they have at least gone on to play in the grand final.

I was wondering what the end of year finishing results looks like for other instances of teams starting a season 6-0

 

[Ron The Bear]

After the game tonight they stated that the last 6 times that Geelong have started the season 6-0 they have at least gone on to play in the grand final.

I was wondering what the end of year finishing results looks like for other instances of teams starting a season 6-0

2 of 60 missed finals - North in 1959 and Melbourne in 1965 (Norm Smith sacking year). Finished 6th & 7th respectively.

Ladder positions at the start and end of finals for the others:

H&A|Finals|Count
\1st|1st|13
\|2nd|10
\|3rd|2
\2nd|1st|6
\|2nd|3
\|3rd|5
\|4th|1
\3rd|2nd|1
\|3rd|5
\|4th|6
\|5th|1
\4th|4th|1
\5th|5th|2
\6th|4th|1
\|6th|1