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Given the debate on other threads regarding our defence - and specifically Cheney's role in it - I thought I'd do a quick snapshot of 12 of the most relevant defensive stats and how each of our 4 bigger defenders compare in each. Do with them what you will.

Disposals
J. Lever - 13.80
K. Cheney - 13.60
D. Talia - 13.40
K. Hartigan - 11.25

Disposal Efficiency
K. Cheney - 85.29 (team best)
K. Hartigan - 80.00
D. Talia - 77.61
J. Lever - 69.57

Rebound 50s
D. Talia - 4.00
J. Lever - 3.40
K. Cheney - 3.40
K. Hartigan - 2.50

Meters Gained
J. Lever - 228
D. Talia - 197
K. Cheney - 186
K. Hartigan - 163

Score Involvements
K. Cheney - 3.80
J. Lever - 2.80
D. Talia - 2.60
K. Hartigan - 2.30

Contested Marks
J. Lever - 1.00
D. Talia - 0.80
K. Cheney - 0.60
K. Hartigan - 0.50

Intercepts
K. Hartigan - 4.50
J. Lever - 3.80
D. Talia - 3.20
K. Cheney - 3.00

Intercept Marks
J. Lever - 2.20 (team best)
K. Hartigan - 1.50
D. Talia - 1.40
K. Cheney - 1.40

Tackles
K. Hartigan - 2.25
K. Cheney - 1.40
D. Talia - 1.20
J. Lever - 0.40

One Percenters
D. Talia - 10.20 (team best)
K. Hartigan - 6.25
J. Lever - 5.40
K. Cheney - 3.60

Pressure Acts
D. Talia - 9.00
J. Lever - 9.00
K. Hartigan - 8.40
K. Cheney - 7.40

Frees Against
D. Talia - 0.20 (equal team best)
J. Lever - 0.60
K. Hartigan - 1.00
K. Cheney - 1.00

For what it's worth - and it's admittedly not much - if you assign points to each player, giving 4 points to the best performer in each stat, down to 1 point to the worst, you get the following rankings...

Total:

J. Lever - 36 points
D. Talia - 34 points
K. Cheney - 28 points
K. Hartigan - 26 points

Also, J. Lever leads in 5 of these stats, D. Talia in 4, K. Hartigan in 2 and K. Cheney in 2. Note: for those special at maths who notice these numbers add up to 13, Talia and Lever are tied in Pressure Acts per game.

Hartigan is last in 6 of these stats, Cheney in 5, Lever 2 and Talia 1 - again note Hartigan and Cheney tied for frees against and Cheney and Talia in Intercept marks.
 
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Miss Vanessa said:
For what it's worth - and it's admittedly not much - if you assign points to each player, giving 4 points to the best performer in each stat, down to 1 point to the worst, you get the following rankings...

Total:

J. Lever - 36 points
D. Talia - 34 points
K. Cheney - 28 points
K. Hartigan - 26 points

Also, J. Lever leads in 5 of these stats, D. Talia in 4, K. Hartigan in 2 and K. Cheney in 2. Note: for those special at maths who notice these numbers add up to 13, Talia and Lever are tied in Pressure Acts per game.

Hartigan is last in 6 of these stats, Cheney in 5, and Lever 2 - again note Hartigan and Cheney tied for frees against.
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Thanks once again for these. The bolded was my impression so I am happy to see it proved.
 
Scorpus said:
Cameron in any of those stats?
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Ha! Forgot to add him in... Balls. Will add him properly next time but for now here are his stats from Friday.

Metres Gained - 230
Intercepts - 1
Intercept Marks - 0
Pressure Acts - 16
Score Involvements -3
 
Crows stats after round 5
Team
Crows Stats| Total| Average| Rank| Compare To Mean| Compare To Opp| Opp Total| Opp Average
\Kicks| 1030| 206| 7| +3.4| +10.2| 979| 195.8|
\Handballs| 869| 173.8| 9| +1.6| +5.6| 841| 168.2|
\Kick-Handball Ratio| 1.2| | 8| +0| +0| 1.2| |
\Disposals| 1899| 379.8| 6| +5| +15.8| 1820| 364|
\Cont Poss| 772| 154.4| 2| +13.2| +2.2| 761| 152.2|
\Uncont Poss| 1145| 229| 7| -5.3| +16| 1065| 213|
\Disp eff %| 72.6%| | 13| -0.9| -1| 73.6%| |
\Clangers| 241| 48.2| 4| -3| 0| 241| 48.2|
\Marks| 412| 82.4| 11| -4.5| +6| 382| 76.4|
\Cont marks| 48| 9.6| 15| -1.3| -4.4| 70| 14|
\Marks50| 51| 10.2| 15| -1.8| +0.4| 49| 9.8|
\Hit-outs| 221| 44.2| 4| +5.2| -2.2| 232| 46.4|
\Clearances| 209| 41.8| 1| +5.2| +1.2| 203| 40.6|
\Centre clr| 77| 15.4| 2| +2| +0.4| 75| 15|
\Stoppages| 132| 26.4| 2| +3.2| +0.8| 128| 25.6|
\Rebound50| 222| 44.4| 1| +5.4| +11.4| 165| 33|
\Frees For| 102| 20.4| 12| -0.2| +1| 97| 19.4|
\Frees Agst| 97| 19.4| 6| -1.1| -1| 102| 20.4|
\Tackles| 337| 67.4| 10| +0.4| -10.8| 391| 78.2|
\One %s| 242| 48.4| 5| +1.7| -3.8| 261| 52.2|
\Bounces| 33| 6.6| 9| -0.7| -0.4| 35| 7|
\Inside50| 278| 55.6| 6| +2.4| -3.6| 296| 59.2|
\Marks per I50| 18.35%| | 16| -4.3%| +3.5%| 14.84%|
\Goals| 88| 17.6| 2| +4.1| +3.2| 72| 14.4|
\Behinds| 63| 12.6| 10| +0.5| +1.4| 56| 11.2|
\Total Score| 591| 118.2| 2| +25.1| +42.6| 378| 75.6|
\Rushed Behinds| 14| 2.8|
\Goal assists| 61| 12.2| 2| +2.6| +4.4| 39| 7.8|
\Goal acc %| 58.3%| | 4| +5.6| +4.5| 53.7%| |
\Goal acc % excl rushed| 64.2%|
\Score ratio per i50| 54.3%| | 3| +6.16| +11.07| 43.2%| |
\Goal ratio per i50| 31.7%| | 2| +6.28| +7.33| 24.3%| |
\Interchanges| 431| 86.2| 7| +2.6| | | |

Players
Rank| Kicks |#| Handballs |#| Disposals |#| Cont Poss |#
\1| Brodie Smith |73| Scott Thompson |80| Scott Thompson |147| Matt Crouch |64|
\2| Scott Thompson |67| Matt Crouch |78| Rory Laird |130| Rory Sloane |64|
\3| Rory Laird |65| Rory Sloane |68| Matt Crouch |127| Scott Thompson |64|
\4| Richard Douglas |58| Rory Laird |65| Brodie Smith |117| Richard Douglas |48|
\5| Tom Lynch |52| Rory Atkins |47| Rory Sloane |111| Rory Laird |44|
\6| David Mackay |52| Sam Jacobs |46| Richard Douglas |97| Eddie Betts |41|
\7| Eddie Betts |50| Brodie Smith |44| Rory Atkins |92| Rory Atkins |36|
\8| Luke Brown |50| Paul Seedsman |41| David Mackay |91| Sam Jacobs |33|
\9| Matt Crouch |49| Richard Douglas |39| Paul Seedsman |83| Jarryd Lyons |32|
\10| Jake Lever |49| David Mackay |39| Luke Brown |80| Daniel Talia |29
Rank| Uncont Poss |#| Disp eff % |#| Clangers |#| Marks |#
\1| Brodie Smith |90| Kyle Cheney |84| Brodie Smith |18| Rory Laird |33|
\2| Rory Laird |89| Rory Atkins |83.8| Scott Thompson |18| Taylor Walker |30|
\3| Scott Thompson |83| Eddie Betts |82.2| Rory Laird |15| Jake Lever |26|
\4| Paul Seedsman |63| Paul Seedsman |80.7| Matt Crouch |14| Josh Jenkins |25|
\5| David Mackay |62| Kyle Hartigan |80.7| Richard Douglas |14| Tom Lynch |23|
\6| Matt Crouch |61| Daniel Talia |77.9| Rory Sloane |14| Luke Brown |21|
\7| Rory Atkins |55| Nathan Van Berlo |77.8| Sam Jacobs |12| Rory Atkins |20|
\8| Luke Brown |55| Brodie Smith |77.4| Tom Lynch |12| Mitch McGovern |20|
\9| Richard Douglas |53| Rory Laird |76.8| Paul Seedsman |11| Daniel Talia |20|
\10| Tom Lynch |53| Josh Jenkins |75.7| Rory Atkins |10| Scott Thompson |20
Rank| Cont marks |#| Marks50 |#| Hit-outs |#| Clearances |#
\1| Taylor Walker |7| Josh Jenkins |12| Sam Jacobs |179| Scott Thompson |34|
\2| Mitch McGovern |6| Taylor Walker |11| Josh Jenkins |27| Matt Crouch |33|
\3| Jake Lever |5| Eddie Betts |7| Rory Sloane |12| Richard Douglas |26|
\4| Sam Jacobs |4| Tom Lynch |6| Scott Thompson |2| Rory Sloane |23|
\5| Rory Sloane |4| Mitch McGovern |5| Jarryd Lyons |1| Sam Jacobs |13|
\6| Daniel Talia |4| Jarryd Lyons |3| || David Mackay |11|
\7| Rory Atkins |3| Richard Douglas |2| || Rory Atkins |10|
\8| Kyle Cheney |3| Sam Jacobs |2| || Brad Crouch |9|
\9| Josh Jenkins |3| Luke Brown |1| || Jarryd Lyons |8|
\10| Kyle Hartigan |2| Jake Lever |1| || Rory Laird |7
Rank| Centre clr |#| Stoppages |#| Rebound50 |#| Frees For |#
\1| Scott Thompson |15| Matt Crouch |22| Brodie Smith |24| Scott Thompson |10|
\2| Matt Crouch |11| Scott Thompson |19| Rory Laird |22| Eddie Betts |9|
\3| Richard Douglas |9| Richard Douglas |17| Daniel Talia |20| Richard Douglas |9|
\4| Rory Sloane |9| Rory Sloane |14| Kyle Cheney |17| Matt Crouch |7|
\5| Sam Jacobs |8| Rory Atkins |9| Jake Lever |17| Kyle Cheney |6|
\6| Brad Crouch |5| David Mackay |8| Luke Brown |14| Sam Jacobs |6|
\7| Jarryd Lyons |5| Paul Seedsman |6| Matt Crouch |10| Josh Jenkins |6|
\8| Rory Laird |3| Eddie Betts |5| Kyle Hartigan |10| Tom Lynch |6|
\9| David Mackay |3| Sam Jacobs |5| Richard Douglas |9| Rory Laird |5|
\10| Mitch McGovern |2| Tom Lynch |5| Rory Atkins |8| Wayne Milera |5
Rank| Frees Agst |#| Tackles |#| One %s |#| Bounces |#
\1| Rory Sloane |9| Scott Thompson |36| Daniel Talia |51| Brodie Smith |9|
\2| Scott Thompson |8| Rory Sloane |30| Jake Lever |27| Rory Atkins |6|
\3| Taylor Walker |8| David Mackay |26| Kyle Hartigan |25| David Mackay |5|
\4| Brodie Smith |6| Richard Douglas |23| Kyle Cheney |18| Paul Seedsman |4|
\5| Rory Atkins |5| Paul Seedsman |23| Sam Jacobs |13| Brad Crouch |2|
\6| Kyle Cheney |5| Matt Crouch |20| Rory Sloane |13| Wayne Milera |2|
\7| Matt Crouch |5| Eddie Betts |19| Rory Atkins |11| Rory Sloane |2|
\8| Richard Douglas |5| Luke Brown |15| Josh Jenkins |10| Luke Brown |1|
\9| Sam Jacobs |5| Mitch McGovern |15| Brodie Smith |9| Richard Douglas |1|
\10| Kyle Hartigan |4| Rory Laird |14| Luke Brown |8| Tom Lynch |1
Rank| Inside50 |#| Goals |#| Behinds |#| Goal assists |#
\1| David Mackay |23| Eddie Betts |16| Taylor Walker |11| Josh Jenkins |6|
\2| Brodie Smith |23| Josh Jenkins |13| Eddie Betts |6| Rory Sloane |6|
\3| Scott Thompson |21| Tom Lynch |12| Josh Jenkins |6| Eddie Betts |5|
\4| Tom Lynch |19| Taylor Walker |11| Mitch McGovern |6| Jarryd Lyons |4|
\5| Rory Atkins |18| Mitch McGovern |7| Tom Lynch |4| David Mackay |4|
\6| Richard Douglas |17| Richard Douglas |5| Richard Douglas |3| Mitch McGovern |4|
\7| Rory Sloane |16| Jarryd Lyons |4| Wayne Milera |3| Brodie Smith |4|
\8| Paul Seedsman |15| Paul Seedsman |4| David Mackay |2| Scott Thompson |4|
\9| Matt Crouch |14| Rory Sloane |3| Rory Sloane |2| Taylor Walker |4|
\10| Taylor Walker |14| Brodie Smith |2| Luke Brown |1| Tom Lynch |3
Rank| Goal acc % |#| Time On Ground % |#| AFL Fantasy |#| Exie |#
\1| Rory Atkins |100| Daniel Talia |95.2| Scott Thompson |566| Scott Thompson |664|
\2| Brad Crouch |100| Josh Jenkins |90.8| Rory Laird |479| Rory Laird |570|
\3| Matt Crouch |100| Kyle Hartigan |88.3| Rory Sloane |442| Eddie Betts |529|
\4| Rory Laird |100| Eddie Betts |88| Eddie Betts |431| Rory Sloane |523|
\5| Jarryd Lyons |100| Tom Lynch |87.8| Matt Crouch |417| Josh Jenkins |482|
\6| Paul Seedsman |80| Luke Brown |87.2| Sam Jacobs |417| Matt Crouch |475|
\7| Eddie Betts |72.7| Sam Jacobs |87| Richard Douglas |404| Richard Douglas |473|
\8| Tom Lynch |66.7| Taylor Walker |87| Brodie Smith |403| Brodie Smith |460|
\9| Brodie Smith |66.7| Kyle Cheney |86.2| Josh Jenkins |386| Sam Jacobs |459|
\10| Josh Jenkins |61.9| Jake Lever |86| David Mackay |374| Tom Lynch |456
 
DMac 34 pressure acts against the hawks... tells me the hawks played through him whenever they could...
pressure acts stat continues to look very dubious in my opinion...


http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings#club/CD_T10
interesting to see the trajectory of DMac's graph going south (click on his name)
pretty much everyone else bar VB & DMac going up...
 

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Apologies if this has already been posted today, this is from Champion Data. Shows how attacking we are but how our defence leaking too much.
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Atkins stats look sensational for this game

Hartigan continuing his intercept stats

Cheney - his stats say good in an offensive sense not so good in a defending sense

Mackay - like him or hate him (I'm indifferent) but metres gained and pressure acts consistently good this season

Thommo is a beast - simple as that and is winning the ranking points for the league that SEN assign for each game

The right guys lead our metres gained stats for this game - smith Atkins and Seedsman . These are the 3 we want
 
VSTone said:
DMac 34 pressure acts against the hawks... tells me the hawks played through him whenever they could...
pressure acts stat continues to look very dubious in my opinion...


http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings#club/CD_T10
interesting to see the trajectory of DMac's graph going south (click on his name)
pretty much everyone else bar VB & DMac going up...
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Certainly agree that a Sloane pressure act outweighs a Mackay one by at least 2 fold

Ps - the pressure acts in the final against hawthorn last year .... Pretty sure they would have been close to season low so may have something to do with SOME of our improvement in this game

Let those Hawks half backs play with little pressure is a recipe for disaster
 
Doctor B said:
Apologies if this has already been posted today, this is from Champion Data. Shows how attacking we are but how our defence leaking too much.
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Basically this shows the bottom 9 teams in the lower right quadrant can't make the finals.

Will be interesting how the other teams align on the graph with more games. Eg. I expect our defence to improve as we play weaker teams.
 
Pressure acts: usefull when defending Rory Atkins low possession game ('He had pressure acts. He was working his arse off in out team defense')

Usefull when rubbishing D Mac ('he barely had any preassure acts. He wasnt even trying' or ' look at all his pressure acts. Obviously the Hawks directed their play through him cos he's a weak link')
 

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VSTone said:
interesting to see the trajectory of DMac's graph going south (click on his name)
pretty much everyone else bar VB & DMac going up...
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The arrows mean very little, it's only the movement this week, so it basically means your last game was better or worse than the game you played 41 games ago that just dropped off the list of your last 40 games and was replaced by last week's game. But even less than that because it only changes if the players position in the order changes. Andy Otten has an up arrow this week, that's how meaningless it is.
 
So just laying a hand on the oppo or chasing them so they dispose of the ball 'hurriedly' counts as a pressure act even if that 'pressure' has no effect? It doesn't mention anything about affecting the disposal. So could you just touch the oppo and get brushed aside and they get off a perfect disposal to a team mate and that counts as a pressure act? Dom Cassisi ranking number 1 for pressure acts has me intrigued.
 

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