Statue for SOS

[Rich01]

His contract in tough to get around I reckon without crippling the soft cap.

CEOs salaries aren’t included in the soft cap. Only the football department.

 

[A Banderas]

Nah he’s very average. Classic example of a mediocre player propped up by a good core.

SOS was right to say no.

What about choosing a cooked betts over butler ?

Butler if he gets back to his best footy is a weapon and hes only 23

betts is completely cooked

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

What about choosing a cooked betts over butler ?

Butler if he gets back to his best footy is a weapon and hes only 23

betts is completely cooked

Butler will be lucky to last 2 more years in the system.

In his best season (a premiership season) he averaged 1.3 goals a game and last year he only averaged .7. Eddie hasn’t gone lower than 1.3 since 2007 and last year averaged 1.8 goals a game.

Eddie is a stop gap until we can get in Papley or someone of similar quality, and he’s a bloody good stop gap at that.

 

[Rich01]

Butler will be lucky to last 2 more years in the system.

In his best season (a premiership season) he averaged 1.3 goals a game and last year he only averaged .7. Eddie hasn’t gone lower than 1.3 since 2007 and last year averaged 1.8 goals a game.

Eddie is a stop gap until we can get in Papley or someone of similar quality, and he’s a bloody good stop gap at that.

Liddle and Teague agitating for Betts to come back to Carlton against SOS wishes was the straw that broke the camels back. He may have only cost a forth rounder, but the list manager also departs as collateral damage from this trade.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Liddle and Teague agitating for Betts to come back to Carlton against SOS wishes was the straw that broke the camels back. He may have only cost a forth rounder, but the list manager also departs as collateral damage from this trade.

May have been the final straw yes. Not before they gave Ellis a tour of the club without his knowledge or pushed for Deluca and what they thought would bring immediate improvement instead of the more talented Dunkley.

Not a huge factor otherwise.

 

[PP34]

Walked because..... He thought getting Carlton back to 16th was a great achievement? Of course he was sacked.

It’s pretty well known that he had a falling out with Liddle and possibly others over interference.

But I’m sure you know better.

 

[PP34]

Nah he’s very average. Classic example of a mediocre player propped up by a good core.

SOS was right to say no.

I could go back a few seasons and find a ton of Richmond fans bagging Ellis. Heck I know of some that didn’t even rate him much during these last three seasons.

But of course when SOS has had interest and he’s gone elsewhere that instantly makes him some star we missed out on.

Hilarious.

 

[BlueJet]

This thread is a pretty decent effort at self-trolling.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Except Silvagni still has a job at Carlton if he wants it and Liddle is one more wrong move away from making Brendan and Peggy’s coffee again.

Sadly SOS looks like he’s walked. Word was he’d leave at the end of 2020 anyway, would’ve liked him to see it out but what can you do.

LoGuidice and Silvagni rift is being reported, not sure Silvagni would walk back in.

and who cares anyway, SOS is a legend of the club, this changes nothing about his contribution as a player.

 

[Rich01]

May have been the final straw yes. Not before they gave Ellis a tour of the club without his knowledge or pushed for Deluca and what they thought would bring immediate improvement instead of the more talented Dunkley.

Not a huge factor otherwise.

SOS was just as against Betts coming to the club as Ellis and Butler.

The difference with Betts was that SOS didn’t get his way. At that time he would have realised he lost control of Carlton’s list strategy.

Betts is the feel good story for Blues supporters to get them through another couple of years of development. I am looking forward to seeing him play on Grimes in the flag unfurling game. But him coming to Carlton has inadvertently cost them their list manager.

 

[jim boy]

You can argue what you like about SOS's record as a list manager, but nobody can argue with the idea of a statue of SOS, but it has to be 200 feet high, and he has to be half octopus, solid gold and it should be called "The dream of the footballer's life"

 

[Rod Stroker]

Fair backhander from ol' Sossage there on the way out of his old club.

He does seem to have become more bitter and prickly in recent years.

 

[Soberian Tiger]

Richmond is struggling to fit its players into its team.

Carlton is struggling to fit its team into its players.

Round One could get ugly...

 

[Socrates2]

It's sad when one man thinks he bigger than the club, fancy going off in a board meeting after you've been sacked.

 

[Tiger71]

Butler will be lucky to last 2 more years in the system.

In his best season (a premiership season) he averaged 1.3 goals a game and last year he only averaged .7. Eddie hasn’t gone lower than 1.3 since 2007 and last year averaged 1.8 goals a game.

Eddie is a stop gap until we can get in Papley or someone of similar quality, and he’s a bloody good stop gap at that.

This post is just so, so, poorly informed its laughable. It is also the perfect example of how stats mean s**t all. Butler was our most important small in 2017 and 2018. When he was in the side, his pressure off the ball, allowed the other smalls to create. The only reason he got pushed out in 2019 is simply that we had a few pressure smalls in baker and stack that can also play other parts of the ground when needed. Butler's weakness is not as a small forward, he is excellent, as in all our big games in the past two years, he was always the bloke to kick that clutch goal. His weakness he has no second string to his bow, he does not have the tank to play another ( position) so hence he played VFL which he was a big reason the VFL side won another flag......funny enough, its the same reason Townsend is not with us now.....we are developing a side with players that can play multiple roles, not just one.

It's funny, I thought the blues are crying out for small forwards that apply pressure but more importantly can help instill some winning culture ? Yet you choose betts lol

 

[A Banderas]

This post is just so, so, poorly informed its laughable. It is also the perfect example of how stats mean s**t all. Butler was our most important small in 2017 and 2018. When he was in the side, his pressure off the ball, allowed the other smalls to create. The only reason he got pushed out in 2019 is simply that we had a few pressure smalls in baker and stack that can also play other parts of the ground when needed. Butler's weakness is not as a small forward, he is excellent, as in all our big games in the past two years, he was always the bloke to kick that clutch goal. His weakness he has no second string to his bow, he does not have the tank to play another ( position) so hence he played VFL which he was a big reason the VFL side won another flag......funny enough, its the same reason Townsend is not with us now.....we are developing a side with players that can play multiple roles, not just one.

It's funny, I thought the blues are crying out for small forwards that apply pressure but more importantly can help instill some winning culture ? Yet you choose betts lol

da stats bro ! da stats is all that matters

 

[PorcelainBus]

He turned water into wine and provided fishes to the Carlton Faithful - he needs a religion more than just a statue

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

This post is just so, so, poorly informed its laughable. It is also the perfect example of how stats mean s**t all. Butler was our most important small in 2017 and 2018. When he was in the side, his pressure off the ball, allowed the other smalls to create. The only reason he got pushed out in 2019 is simply that we had a few pressure smalls in baker and stack that can also play other parts of the ground when needed. Butler's weakness is not as a small forward, he is excellent, as in all our big games in the past two years, he was always the bloke to kick that clutch goal. His weakness he has no second string to his bow, he does not have the tank to play another ( position) so hence he played VFL which he was a big reason the VFL side won another flag......funny enough, its the same reason Townsend is not with us now.....we are developing a side with players that can play multiple roles, not just one.

It's funny, I thought the blues are crying out for small forwards that apply pressure but more importantly can help instill some winning culture ? Yet you choose betts lol

All this yet you traded him for pick 56 as he’s coming into his prime. Eddie averaged more AFL goals than he did VFL goals lol. Only averaged just over 1 more tackle per game than 33 year old Eddie.

He’s no good, which is why we’d rather take a risk on Papley again than put him on a 2 year deal.

 

[La Dispute]

Yeh Butler’s one of those guys who’s all icing and no cake. Nice speed and reasonable goal sense, but low production and one dimensional. Another player who looks good in a good team, but won’t ever be more than a role player.

Betts isn’t in the team to kick a heap of goals either. He’s in the
22 to mentor our young small forwards and to provide reasonable output in the 1-2 years he’ll be on the list.

Sounds like Martin will be playing reasonably deep, so he’d be playing the role Butler would have played, and we managed to pick him up without sacrificing draft picks.

 

[chunkylover53]

Dan Butler is so good and highly rated at the Tiges they traded him for pick 56 lmao.

 

[Frank Grimes]

His contract in tough to get around I reckon without crippling the soft cap.

I thought the soft cap is to do with the football department. I didn't realise that includes CEO's.

 

[BluStreak]

won 2 flags at the hardest and most physical team in the comp

walks into your top 5

a cooked betts will take his spot on the list

 

[Frank Grimes]

legally they couldnt sack liddle which they tried to first. They then offered sos his position to stay, he refused if liddle stays, they offered him another position and still he said no. Liddle has f’ed up and should resign.

Whst is the legal implications of sacking him?

If it is a case of the board wanting to get rid of Liddle but can't then that's not good for Carlton. It would lead to a lot of in fighting, factions and a toxic culture. Though it looks like it's already started a while ago with the sacking of SOS as a symptom.

 

[A Banderas]

care to tell me who is harder and more physical ?

there is not one team

 

[A Banderas]

Dan Butler is so good and highly rated at the Tiges they traded him for pick 56 lmao.

we dont try to hold players at our club like some other clubs

our best 22 is too good for dan atm, but for a lesser club he would be a steal and a top 10 lock .

he did his ankle in 2018 and couldnt turn it around but showed signs that he is back to his old self in the premiership winning vfl team this year. it was just too late for him to break into our afl premiership side.
if we had dan and eddie betts on our list in 2020, and had to choose one of them, dan would play 25 games and eddie would play in the 2s. you hang onto that feel good story though