Player Watch Steele Sidebottom

[jackcass]

No -it impacts the entire football club. Of course an indiscretion by a leader of a powerful AFL club carries more weight than if an individual stays out late and gets intoxicated. The same applies to politicians and other public figures. Why do you find this fact an indication of our pettiness?

I do love it when opinions get called "fact".

Footballers or sportspeople more generally are not even on the same page as politicians either in their standing and community expectations, or the depth of their indiscretions. Why do you presume that they are?

 

[Markfs]

Not sure why you've listed a string of guys who have had mental health issues or in Treloars case - cried.

P. S. I do like that I now get to blame my employer every time I stuff up. Sorry boss, but it's the crap culture that you've created that made me do it.

i've been blaming my past employers for my failures in life for years. You could say that I'm addicted to it

 

[jmac70]

If supporters can't acknowledge the fact that we have had an inordinate number of off field indiscretions/issues which have impacted our team and performance over a number of years they are not to be taken seriously.

The fact that other clubs may have had issues is irrelevant to me as a Collingwood supporter. When Bucks and the players have recited the "we are all about inclusivity, love, caring about each other and being "better people" every time they speak to the press these constant stuff ups wouldn't be so irritating. I sat down and compiled a list of incidents and I have included mental health issues as well which seem to occur at our club more frequently than most others.

Lachie Keefe and Josh Thomas-drugs and banned for two years.
Sam Murray- had already established himself as a decent rebound defender before his cocaine habits were uncovered. Never played another game. His last was against the Premiers of that year so he was clearly considered to be in our best 22 or very close.
Jordan Degoey breaks his hand in a fight. Lied about it.
Jeremy Howe breaks his hand playing a game of cricket and lies about it.
Sidebottom- drink and covid issues. Four week suspension and a huge loss to the team after losing another key player on the weekend.
Stevo-stupid, selfish gambling stunt which played a role in our failure to make the GF. Ten week suspension.
Jonathon Marsh- mental break down and walks out on the club. Now very happy at St Kilda and in their current best 22.
Dayne Beams. Top class football for four years at Brisbane-rewarded with the captaincy. Returns to Collingwood and suffers a mental breakdown after weeks of poor form and rumours and has now walked away from a four year contract.
Alex Fasolo- depression. Missed weeks. Used to weep in the car park before training.Adam Treloar- crying at training and struggling to get through a season.
Sier- Phil Inn
Shaw /Didak-drink driving and lying. Lengthy suspension at a crucial time in the season.
Even Nick Maxwell ( and Heath Shaw) got caught up in a betting scandal.
SHAMED Collingwood premiership stars Heath Shaw and Nick Maxwell have expressed regret over a betting scandal that has rocked the AFL ladder leader. The pair copped heavy punishments for breaking the AFL's strict anti-gambling rules after an investigation found they shared inside information with friends and family.
So Shaw was suspended for weeks and fined twice in three years.
Darren Millane died in a drink driving incident which devastated the club and set it back when it appeared to be on the cusp of a successful era.

Then of course there is the endless Lumumba soap opera which gets a re-run every two or three years. Racist club, racist culture...…..

If this isn't enough to raise an eyebrow or cause some consternation I don't know what is. Who knows how many other scandals have been covered up.
I'm fed up with the endless injuries to key players (no-one other than luck to blame for most of them) and the endless self inflicted wounds. Note how Richmond are playing crap football at the moment yet still have their full list available? You have to laugh or you'd cry.

It’s funny that our last two premiership sides were loaded with players who could be described as larrikins. I guess that’s ok because we won.

 

[domus]

I do love it when opinions get called "fact".

Footballers or sportspeople more generally are not even on the same page as politicians either in their standing and community expectations, or the depth of their indiscretions. Why do you presume that they are?

I'm not sure what point you are attempting to make. Are you suggesting footballers who play for some of the most powerful and popular sporting clubs in the country are not held to ( or should not be held to) a higher standard than the average man in the street? That would be an absurd proposition. Every person ( rightly or wrongly) who is a public figure knows this is simply a fact of life. When a famous celebrity snaps angrily at a waiter for poor service that will become a headline and there will be consequences. If you do the very same thing all that will result is the waiter may have had his feelings hurt. When a Collingwood footballer gets picked up by police in state of intoxication and half naked that will ensure headlines and consequences far beyond anything that would occur if Joe Smith from the Manangatang reserves did the very same thing.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. The modern player gets very well rewarded for playing and many set themselves up for life. The downside is the public scrutiny and pressure.

Why do you think the players have this fact rammed down their throats from the moment they enter the club? They are warned about the consequences of saying or doing the wrong thing in public because ( like it or not) they are now in the public eye and expected to be role models. Fair or not, that is the reality.

 

[domus]

It’s funny that our last two premiership sides were loaded with players who could be described as larrikins. I guess that’s ok because we won.

No-it's not okay. I would like my team to be filled with good trustworthy blokes who care enough about each other enough not to get drunk and stay out all night in the week leading up to a Grand Final like Crosisca, Kelly and Millane did. I think their behavior was pathetic given our history of failure in so many previous attempts. I'm glad we won but I still find their actions infuriating and almost unforgiveable given the context. One bloody week off the booze was too much for them.

I could flip your little angle. How would you feel if you discovered that during the week leading up to the 2018 grand final three or four Collingwood players had been out partying till the early morning and had attended training hungover? Losing would make it sting just a tad more wouldn't it? The fact we won in 1990 despite the lack of character and discipline of some of our players was fortunate but does not change the fact that these blokes let down their teammates and supporters.

 

[JB1975]

No-it's not okay. I would like my team to be filled with good trustworthy blokes who care enough about each other enough not to get drunk and stay out all night in the week leading up to a Grand Final like Crosisca, Kelly and Millane did. I think their behavior was pathetic given our history of failure in so many previous attempts. I'm glad we won but I still find their actions infuriating and almost unforgiveable given the context. One bloody week off the booze was too much for them.

If you're still infuriated by the follies of our 1990 and 2010 teams, then I urge you friend, learn how to let things go.

Free yourself, let them go.

 

[Markfs]

If you had a workplace where a number of employees left due to mental stress/depression/anxiety I would hope you'd think it worthwhile to examine the environment and ask whether that has contributed to it.

The employer should examine the environment but the employee should keep their mouths shut.

The only time that employers should stick your nose into your employees business is if it impacts negatively on their performance...... no other reason. Over-empowered human resources people seem to think that they are local representatives of the helpline. Of course there is one exception - when the employee is stupid enough or desperate enough to ask for help or consideration.

I would recommend any employee to think twice before they tell their employers that they have a health, mental health or personal issue. I would even argue not to mention any issues if they're asked into the manager's office to explain their poor performance. Only as a last resort. Never ever confide in your employer because you think you are valued. You will be valued when you are making money for the employer. Some employers might cut you loose fast - some slowly with all the bells in whistles - but in the end if you are costing them money they will cut you loose.

 

[jackcass]

I'm not sure what point you are attempting to make. Are you suggesting footballers who play for some of the most powerful and popular sporting clubs in the country are not held to ( or should not be held to) a higher standard than the average man in the street? That would be an absurd proposition. Every person ( rightly or wrongly) who is a public figure knows this is simply a fact of life. When a famous celebrity snaps angrily at a waiter for poor service that will become a headline and there will be consequences. If you do the very same thing all that will result is the waiter may have had his feelings hurt. When a Collingwood footballer gets picked up by police in state of intoxication and half naked that will ensure headlines and consequences far beyond anything that would occur if Joe Smith from the Manangatang reserves did the very same thing.

Why do you think the players have this fact rammed down their throats from the moment they enter the club? They are warned about the consequences of saying or doing the wrong thing in public because ( like it or not) they are now in the public eye and expected to be role models. Fair or not, that is the reality.

Why is that any more absurd than putting them on a pedestal and creating unrealistic expectations? That they are held to higher standards by some is beyond dispute, whether they should be is a totally different discussion. These (in the case of AFL players) are cashed up young men mostly presenting as prime physical specimens doing what young men everywhere do, yet we feign outrage when they do it. That's a joke, not a fact.

I think you're being led astray by the media's addiction to celebrity as justification for their jobs. Other than some sympathy for the waiter, I personally don't give a f*ck if a celebrity growls at him/her. Their celebrity doesn't make it any more or less unsavory, or alter my disappointment at that sort of behaviour anywhere, anytime. That an incident of this type could even be considered newsworthy is even more disappointing given the real issues we confront.

 

[Doc1763]

So Steele's indiscretion holds more weight than ours because it impacts we supporters and our hopes for silverware? How petty have we become?

No, the ramifications for what Steele did were all Covid related, nothing to do with our hopes for silverware. You are the one who put 2 and 2 together and came up with 147.

 

[Billys Back]

Being a little harsh on the club I’d say blaming its ‘culture’ on the behaviour of young men. To insinuate the club festers depression because of its culture is absolutely ludicrous. For one, I’m fairly certain Beams requested a trade out of Brisbane due to his mental health. What,

I wonder which clubs’supporters have the worst record for indiscretions with the law? Now that would be a laugh. I’m sure we would be right up there with the worst. The club has always had its rogues and those rogues were always highly admired by fans. These sorts of things happen and while not ideal, I can assure you we would have struggled to win even in 2010 without Swan, Shaw, Didak etc.

These things happen and will continue to happen. Stupid actions from players but we still love them. Steele will be back and I’m sure he will once again prove himself to the club.

 

[jackcass]

Couldn't agree more, I've done more than my fair share of stupid things over the journey. But I haven't done anything that could have had the flow on ramifications like Steele did. My stupidity had ramifications for 1 person, me.

So Steele's indiscretion holds more weight than ours because it impacts we supporters and our hopes for silverware? How petty have we become?

No, the ramifications for what Steele did were all Covid related, nothing to do with our hopes for silverware. You are the one who put 2 and 2 together and came up with 147.

Hmmmm, not sure it's my math that's the issue and I didn't "came up" with anything, I asked a question, 2 in fact.

 

[jmac70]

No, the ramifications for what Steele did were all Covid related, nothing to do with our hopes for silverware. You are the one who put 2 and 2 together and came up with 147.

Once again. Steele has not broken any Covid related laws.

 

[Doc1763]

Hmmmm, not sure it's my math that's the issue and I didn't "came up" with anything, I asked a question, 2 in fact.

Well, the answer to your first question would depend on the indiscretion - I haven't done anything that had the potential to bring the competition to a screaming halt.

Not sure about the second question, how petty are you?

 

[Doc1763]

Once again. Steele has not broken any Covid related laws.

Your back!!! And still in denial.

 

[jmac70]

Your back!!! And still in denial.

Denial? It’s a fact he broke no covid laws.

 

[Linda_Lovelace]

And as per usual when the Pies are involved the media charge is led by that human piece of shit 'Robbo'.

He still can't accept what Essendon or his beloved Hird did. Such a biased piece of shit. He is the epitomy of all that is wrong in footy. No pies supporter should watch. listen, read anything he is involved in.

 

[Doc1763]

Denial? It’s a fact he broke no covid laws.

Yep, he got 4 games for doing absolutely nothing wrong. He has to abide by the laws the AFL set, he didnt, he got his right wack.

 

[jmac70]

Yep, he got 4 games for doing absolutely nothing wrong. He has to abide by the laws the AFL set, he didnt, he got his right wack.

Which covid law did he break?

 

[Doc1763]

Which covid law did he break?

With Howe for over 2 hours
Uber
Wells

All AFL Covid laws, put in place so that the game could proceed.

But they apparently dont apply to Steele, he's bigger than the game.

 

[jmac70]

With Howe for over 2 hours
Uber
Wells

All AFL Covid laws, put in place so that the game could proceed.

But they apparently dont apply to Steele, he's bigger than the game.

He breached AFL rules, not the law. He has been punished by the AFL. Many people view his punishment as extreme.

 

[Doc1763]

He breached AFL rules, not the law. He has been punished by the AFL. Many people view his punishment as extreme.

Once again, you're making things up as you go along to justify your warped version of reality.

I never said he broke the law (I dont think).

How many people view his punishment as extreme? Certainly not anyone with a shed of common sense.

 

[jmac70]

Once again, you're making things up as you go along to justify your warped version of reality.

I never said he broke the law (I dont think).

How many people view his punishment as extreme? Certainly not anyone with a shed of common sense.

The club view it as extreme, as do many people on this board. What part have I made up?

 

[Doc1763]

The club view it as extreme, as do many people on this board. What part have I made up?

That I said he broke the law.

Of course the Club are going to say its extreme, what else could they say?

 

[jackcass]

Once again, you're making things up as you go along to justify your warped version of reality.

I never said he broke the law (I dont think).

How many people view his punishment as extreme? Certainly not anyone with a shed of common sense.

LOL. So only people that agree with you have a shred of common sense?

 

[hellfire]

You known what, I am normally the first to defend our players, but what an absolute idiot. Seriously, what kind of leader puts himself in that situation at any time, let alone during the season? Yes, we're all human, but when you're a senior leader in the public eye - show some maturity and restraint.

It's an excessive ban from a club perspective, because we lose a star player for 4 matches, but it's entirely appropriate at an individual level, and that's putting aside any COVID restrictions that he broke.... that's just for being absolutely blind on the streets at 7:30 in the morning in the middle of the season.

Let's just hope this doesn't disrupt the focus of the playing group.