Player Watch Stefan Martin and team success

[WillHayward]

I am wondering if there is any current player in the AFL more deserving of team success than Stefan Martin?

The bloke has been a reliable warrior for 12 seasons . 11 of them in VERY s**t teams. 11 years straight he was in the bottom half of the ladder. Usually the bottom 2 or 3. He would have had played in several wooden spoon seasons (3).

Before 2019 his record was 37 wins from 158 games or 23% win rate.

0 finals games played.

That is pretty miserable.

My god he must be loving this season. Good on him.

 

[Sweetback]

There are probably several hundred in front of him.

 

[WillHayward]

There are probably several hundred in front of him.

Such as?

37/158 is hard to beat. 175 games with 0 finals games. Who else has done that in modern times?

Only maybe some Suns player could be worse off over a long career.

David Swallow sits on 34/135. So he is better off than Martin was.

 

[Scotland]

Kade "biggest loser" Simpson?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

There are probably several hundred in front of him.

90% of them coming from Fremantle's all time list probably

 

[Scotland]

Probably Joel Selwood or Luke Breust.

 

[WillHayward]

There are probably several hundred in front of him.

I am talking about modern era of equalization. i.e. since the draft and salary cap.

 

[WillHayward]

Martin has 3 Wooden Spoons seasons.

2 at Melbourne and 1 at Brisbane.

 

[WillHayward]

Kade "biggest loser" Simpson?

116/321
Incredibly miserable....

He has played in 6 finals for 2 wins and 4 losses. 6 more than Stefan Martin.

 

[DirtySandman]

11 of them in VERY s**t teams.

Maybe its him.

 

[Sweetback]

Such as?

37/158 is hard to beat.

Only maybe some Suns player could be worse off over a long career.

David Swallow sits on 34/135. So he even is better off than Martin was.

Pav, Lenny Hayes, Nick Reiwoldt, Tony Modra, Robert Harvey, Kade Simpson, Eddie Betts, James McDonald, I could go on.

 

[Scotland]

116/321
Incredibly miserable....

Could be worse.

Brett Deledio and Ryan Griffen both left underperforming clubs right before they won flags.

 

[Sweetback]

90% of them coming from Fremantle's all time list probably

You’re not wrong.

 

[Forward Press]

Pav, Lenny Hayes, Nick Reiwoldt, Tony Modra, Robert Harvey, Kade Simpson, Eddie Betts, James McDonald, I could go on.

All of those players would surely have better win/loss ratios than Stefan Martin.

It would be an interesting exercise to see which players have the worst records (maybe with a 50 or 100 game minimum) and which ones played the longest without finals.

Time to summon Ron The Bear

 

[Sweetback]

Pav, Lenny Hayes, Nick Reiwoldt, Tony Modra, Robert Harvey, Kade Simpson, Eddie Betts, James McDonald, I could go on.

I’m probably not responding to the OP correctly but being a journeyman on crap teams doesn’t make you deserving of anything.

 

[WillHayward]

I’m probably not responding to the OP correctly but being a journeyman on crap teams doesn’t make you deserving of anything.

He is a gun player who was unfortunately stuck in crap teams but stuck it out. He had offers from other clubs in the last 5 years and could have left.

Finally getting a few wins and may finally get to play in a finals game.

 

[WillHayward]

All of those players would surely have better win/loss ratios than Stefan Martin.

It would be an interesting exercise to see which players have the worst records (maybe with a 50 or 100 game minimum) and which ones played the longest without finals.

Time to summon Ron The Bear

They all played in several finals as well. Some in grand finals.

 

[Sweetback]

He is a gun player who was unfortunately stuck in crap teams but stuck it out. He had offers from other clubs in the last 5 years and could have left.

Finally getting a few wins and may finally get to play in a finals game.

He is a much better player at the lions than he was at the dees.

 

[WillHayward]

He is a much better player at the lions than he was at the dees.

His first 2 seasons were wooden spoons...

 

[Scotland]

Tom Rockliff is the current Carmelo Anthony of the AFL. 186 games 0 finals.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Lynden Dunn deserves a mention.

196 games and no finals, then does his knee in consecutive years when the pies finally get back in.

Even worse, he might have been the difference in the GF last year if he was fit given the Pies’ lack of talls.

 

[WillHayward]

Rockliff and Dunn.
Good calls.

 

[btdg]

I feel like this should be a perpetual trophy named after Robbie Flower

That bloke owns the rest of them. 14 years, 272 games no finals. His club literally ran newspaper ads prior to his final season asking for donations so they could add some players to help Robbie play in a final. It actually worked, they made the prelim, and lost on the siren after Jim Stynes ran over the mark, costing him a shot at a grand final in the cruellest possible way.

So yeah, the AFL should hand out the ‘Robbie Flower’ award at the start of each season to the bloke most deserving of some success...

 

[Ron The Bear]

All of those players would surely have better win/loss ratios than Stefan Martin.

It would be an interesting exercise to see which players have the worst records (maybe with a 50 or 100 game minimum) and which ones played the longest without finals.

Time to summon Ron The Bear

Lowest winning percentages, 100+ games. Lewis Taylor is the highest-ranked current player at #24, followed by Alex Sexton (#30), David Swallow (equal #39), Sam Mayes (#50), Trent McKenzie (#54), Sam Day (#59), Pearce Hanley (#61) and Stefan Martin (#69). Of those, Martin has waited the longest for his debut final, at 4053 days.

Win %	Player	P	W	L	D	Club(s)	Career	Days
15.00	Smith, Jimmy M.	130	19	110	1	St	1899-1909	3668
15.50	Hyde, Bert	129	20	109	0	Ha	1925-1935	3647
16.03	Gregory, Johnny	156	24	130	2	NM	1926-1935	3297
17.29	Pearson, Neil	133	23	110	0	Ha	1945-1954	3360
17.43	O'Donohue, Peter	109	19	90	0	Ha	1942-1952	3682
17.52	Wilkie, Bob	117	20	96	1	St	1940-1951	4109
18.60	Fletcher, Ted	129	24	105	0	Ha	1944-1954	3745
18.85	Stewart, Stuart	130	24	105	1	Ha	1926-1935	3388
19.27	Lonsdale, Clarrie	109	21	88	0	Ha	1927-1937	3647
19.71	Carter, F. Wally	137	27	110	0	NM	1929-1940	4011
20.28	Adamson, Jim	180	36	143	1	NM	1929-1941	4501
20.45	Lazarus, Gary	132	27	105	0	Fi	1963-1970	2688
20.80	McDonald, Jack	113	23	89	1	St	1948-1956	3045
20.83	Bray, Harold	156	31	122	3	St	1941-1952	4144
20.86	Ross, Jim	139	28	109	2	St	1946-1954	3050
21.25	Pool, Ted	200	42	157	1	Ha	1926-1938	4431
21.34	Elphinstone, Robert	157	33	123	1	St	1980-1989	3437
22.32	Albiston, Alec	177	39	137	1	Ha,NM	1936-1950	5138
22.33	Prior, Albert	103	23	80	0	Ha	1941-1950	3276
22.41	Newnham, John	116	26	90	0	Fi	1964-1971	2520
22.76	Cameron, Charlie J.	145	32	111	2	NM,Fi	1926-1936	3605
23.00	Grimes, Jack	100	22	76	2	Me	2008-2016	2877
23.08	Burns, Greg	169	38	129	2	St	1978-1989	4033
23.21	Taylor, Lewis	112	26	86	0	Br	2014-2019	1904

Bob Skilton waited the longest for his finals debut (5229 days), just ahead of Robert Flower (5202). The most days between a player's last final and the end of his career is 5425 for Ron Clegg of South Melbourne, who played in the losing 'Bloodbath' GF in his 15th game before a drought that extended for the rest of his 231 games.

The longest unfulfilled wait was by Bill Mahoney (6692 days), who played 148 VFL matches for Geelong, St.Kilda and Richmond between 1902 and 1920. Mahoney crossed to Richmond while they were still in the VFA and was a b&f winner and the first Richmond player to play 100 VFL games. He made a comeback at 35 when Richmond was a contender but despite playing three late-season games, missed selection in the finals.

 

[Forward Press]

Cheers Ron. Interesting to note that Jack Grimes is the only player in the modern AFL era to appear on the table ahead of Lewis Taylor - and Taylor has a big chance to eventually slip out of the table. Gee that Melbourne side in the eras of Neeld and Bailey were terrible...