Restricted Free Agent Stephen Coniglio

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Not really I was just replying to a guy that stated a lot of Hawthorn posters have said the Cogs to Hawks was a “done deal”

Just pointing out not one single Hawk poster has said such a thing.


Honestly looking forward to picking up the next COG in our midfield and reuniting him with JOM and TOM where he belongs.
No idea....Especially when Cogs is coming to the Hawks, as everyone knows.
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I came into this thead expecting to be lectured on Coniglio now being a certainty to leave the Giants now Kelly has re-signed.

Instead I find two posters arguing like they've just had a break-up, and demanding one another finds proof of non-existent text messages.

I should be happy, but I'm just as disappointed.
Kelly re-signs: There isn't enough money left to keep Coniglio
Kelly leaves: It's an exodus, now Kelly is gone Coniglio is out the door

I'm expecting Coniglio to stay. I mean I don't have any mail or anything, just my opinion...
 

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Kelly re-signs: There isn't enough money left to keep Coniglio
Kelly leaves: It's an exodus, now Kelly is gone Coniglio is out the door

I'm expecting Coniglio to stay. I mean I don't have any mail or anything, just my opinion...
Neither does anybody in this thread to be fair ;)
 

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(NVM. Looks like what I got on email is all over the net anyway.)

Previously I'd been leaning towards him being genuinely 50/50, this puts it more to the 60/40 (staying).

The flexibility built in by the "Players right to enforce" clause essentially gives Kelly all the rights of a FA at any time after 2021, but he can hold GWS to a contract should he choose to do so. GWS can move forward with their Salary Cap planning for future years knowing the amounts they need to commit to Kelly (if he chooses to stay). The amounts - whilst still high - are not so astronomical as to be list destroying.

If GWS can continue to shed 2-3 players ranked in the 8-15 range each year they should be ok - so long as no-one goes hard for the salary cap.

Smart trimming of players in the 8-15 ranking could see GWS offer similar terms to Coniglio (and perhaps Cameron and Whitfield the following year too).
 
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GWS have shed Shiel, Scully, Smith, Treloar, Wilson, Lobb, Hoskin-Elliott plus others. That's conservatively about $3m worth of players.

Griffen, Johnson, Patfull have retired, Deledio, Mumford and Shaw are 32, 33, 34 this year respectively.

You want them to keep shedding 2-3 players in their best 8-15 each year?

B Heath Shaw, Aidan Corr, Jeremy Finlayson
HB Sam Taylor, Nick Haynes, Zac Williams
C Jacob Hopper, Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield
HF Toby Greene, Jeremy Cameron, Matt de Boer
F Sam J. Reid, Harry Himmelberg, Daniel Lloyd
FOL Shane Mumford, Stephen Coniglio, Tim Taranto
I/C Brent Daniels, Adam Tomlinson, Matt Buntine, Adam Kennedy

That's the GWS team from the weekend. Missing Deledio, Patton, Davis, Ward.

It's a pretty good team, but it's not the Golden State Warriors.
 

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GWS have shed Shiel, Scully, Smith, Treloar, Wilson, Lobb, Hoskin-Elliott plus others. That's conservatively about $3m worth of players.

Griffen, Johnson, Patfull have retired, Deledio, Mumford and Shaw are 32, 33, 34 this year respectively.

You want them to keep shedding 2-3 players in their best 8-15 each year?

B Heath Shaw, Aidan Corr, Jeremy Finlayson
HB Sam Taylor, Nick Haynes, Zac Williams
C Jacob Hopper, Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield
HF Toby Greene, Jeremy Cameron, Matt de Boer
F Sam J. Reid, Harry Himmelberg, Daniel Lloyd
FOL Shane Mumford, Stephen Coniglio, Tim Taranto
I/C Brent Daniels, Adam Tomlinson, Matt Buntine, Adam Kennedy

That's the GWS team from the weekend. Missing Deledio, Patton, Davis, Ward.

It's a pretty good team, but it's not the Golden State Warriors.
Not only do I want them to, I think that was always their plan!

Continual recycling of draft/trade value - keeping the absolute cream, whilst the support crew look elsewhere for a bigger share of the pie, or perhaps more opportunity, the trades/FA compensation for which leads to more 1st round picks. How many in that 26 would you happily give up pick 18 for? There's 13-14 names without even trying, many of whom would earn two picks of that value.

Back when their concessions were first announced I put together a rough plan out to 2030 or something, based upon not making "bad" picks (average for the selection granted) they were going to end up with 4-5 times worth of salary cap and not use a 3rd round pick until 2020. By shedding 2-3 players each year, they can keep the cap manageable, keep 2-3 first round picks every year, and keep the gravy train going for decades by which time the team should be successful, have enough history and generational support to stand on it's own two feet.
 

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Do you still believe no Hawks supporter has ever said Coniglio was a certainty to go to the Hawks?
He’s done to hawks. Was done last year.
So still not one single “It’s a done deal”

Interesting.

Maybe you should stop making **** up if you can’t prove it.

We both know the reason why you have no proof of any Hawthorn supporters saying “it’s a done deal”, because not one single Hawthorn supporter has said it.
Found another one. I think this nonsense back and forth can end now, lol
 

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Unless he signs with Hawthorn ;)

Look, he may stay, but he may leave too. Some people have mail. Some more accurate than others. Let's see.
He's earned the right to do whatever he likes. I don't think that statement is difficult to comprehend?

And nobody has mail. Nobody.
 

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To be honest after seeing that interview on Sunday I'd say he is 80% out of GWS. Add the fact that Kelly only signed a 2 year deal and I think GWS are not entirely confident of retaining him. Unlike some other Hawks posters though, I think there would be 3-4 other teams that could realistically secure his services, albeit with hawks as one of them.
 

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Haha. Still could be the case. C'mon Cogs, re-sign mate. What's with the hold up? Is he trying to bleed more coin out of the giants? Surely not Steve! So why the wait??
What's the rush?

Dusty re-signed in the lead up to the 2017 finals, Nat Fyfe re-signed in mid July the same year.

Kelly just re-signed but for two years only and openly said it wasn't an easy decision. Coniglio could be 50/50 on a move, and he could be tossing up between a move back home or a move to Melbourne. Player movement isn't cut and dry. Scott Lycett was up in the air for a while, Andrew Gaff even longer.

If Coniglio is looking at a return to Perth then he only has two options and I don't think he'd be scared off by the current lists of WC or Freo.
If he's looking at a move to Melbourne then he has 9 options (+ Geelong) so it's worth keeping an eye on how each team is going. Would you join Carlton after two spoons and a 2 win season? Yeah nah, but would you join Carlton after a 6, 7, 8 win season with Walsh, three tall forward options, Weitering coming good in defence etc? It's a different proposition. Hawthorn aren't as attractive a proposition as many make out. Talls cupboard is bare and there aren't a lot of them on the market. Coniglio has been with GWS since day dot and played in teams of kids getting pumped each week for 3 years, he's unlikely to want to join a team at 26 and wait 3-4 years for a spine. That's not to say Hawthorn can't find one, but right now they rank lowly in that dept.

And of course the other big factor is GWS. They've gone prelim, prelim, semi the last 3 seasons and have a strong side. Kelly wants to be a part of that at least the next two seasons, Coniglio who has been there longer might be content to leave if they win a flag this year. He might want to join Kelly in re-committing short term. It's hard for some people to comprehend but a lot of players actually like living in Sydney and playing for GWS.
 

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GWS have shed Shiel, Scully, Smith, Treloar, Wilson, Lobb, Hoskin-Elliott plus others. That's conservatively about $3m worth of players.

Griffen, Johnson, Patfull have retired, Deledio, Mumford and Shaw are 32, 33, 34 this year respectively.

You want them to keep shedding 2-3 players in their best 8-15 each year?

B Heath Shaw, Aidan Corr, Jeremy Finlayson
HB Sam Taylor, Nick Haynes, Zac Williams
C Jacob Hopper, Josh Kelly, Lachie Whitfield
HF Toby Greene, Jeremy Cameron, Matt de Boer
F Sam J. Reid, Harry Himmelberg, Daniel Lloyd
FOL Shane Mumford, Stephen Coniglio, Tim Taranto
I/C Brent Daniels, Adam Tomlinson, Matt Buntine, Adam Kennedy

That's the GWS team from the weekend. Missing Deledio, Patton, Davis, Ward.

It's a pretty good team, but it's not the Golden State Warriors.
Question: Does GWS have a higher amount of top tier players than any other team in the league? Not just good players, but 'one of the best in position' types?

Answer: Of course. Hence why they will shed 2-3 players in their best 8-15 each year until they reach parity with the rest of the competition. That's what a salary cap is meant to do.

With Kelly locked into a player option contract after two years (basically his FA offer from GWS), and Cameron, Taranto, Williams, Whitfield and Corr coming out of contract next year, the chances of them keeping Coniglio as well as the others is low, because people will be gunning for all those players.

The rules for RFA stipulate that you must be in the top 10% (or thereabouts) of player payments at the club. That means that 4-5 players on max dollar for their position is the norm. They need to do one last cull, and then they will be where they should be, IMO.
 

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And Griffen, Shaw, Deledio, Mumford?

I think people overrate GWS current list. I look at the GWS side and then I look at the Collingwood side or the Geelong side or our side and I don't see 3 $12m squads and a $13-14m one.
 
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