yeah , guess you're right... don't know why they should keep him, they obviously don't need him.Kennedy wasn't playing on the weekend and they won by 91 points?
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yeah , guess you're right... don't know why they should keep him, they obviously don't need him.Kennedy wasn't playing on the weekend and they won by 91 points?
Wow ! My bad.Except the Eagles went and smashed the last two drafts with multiple picks.
Hurn - Rotham debuted this season after 3 years developing, Duggan another.
Jetta - Cole already has a flag, Francis Watson is Jetta's replacement, the indigenous boys rank him the best in their group.
Kennedy - Drafted Oscar Allen, Brander and also Williams (forward /ruck). To support Darling who plays better when JK is out. Also have Waterman as a 3rd forward. Eagles tall forwards are set for the next 10 years mate.
Masten - LOL. Petrucelle will take his wing next season.
Redden 29 - solid B grade role player. Sheed is 24 you may have heard of him.
Shuey 29 - gun hence why Kelly and or Cogs are in our sights. Peaking now.
Nic 29 - yep he needs to win one in the next three. Drafted Williams but there is only one Nic Naitanui.
Added Rioli, Ryan and Cameron. So small forwards and half forwards set.
McGovern and Barrass are 24 and 26. Beasts to hold down the backline.
One or two trades for key positions of need over the next three years isnt hard.
Eagles arent looking at a dozen new players just two or three quality ins.
Yeah yeah yeah. So we're told. And we're not gonna naturally turn that list over are we?Sounds like you are convincing yourself.
Burgoyne, McEnvoy, Roughead, Pupolo, Birtchell, Stratton, Frawley, Smith, Henderson and Ceglar will be retired within 3 years. Bruest and Scully over 30 in that period. That is a massive list of quality ending or close to the end. Massive.
What will be will be.
Kelly to the Eagles will likely rule out Cogs anyway.
Same with us v Sydney and ANZAC day and suddenly we are top 4.A couple things go our way with umpiring / in-game injuries and the Hawks don't lose the Dogs / Saints / Dees games (off the top of my head) and are sitting just outside the top 4.
Add Mitchell, Coniglio, Patton, a fully fit Wingard (plus a couple first round draft picks) and you cannot tell me we are going to be far off.
You have a young list with key pillars at either end lacking midfield depth. You have a team starved of success so winning with them he would be a legend to the blues.
On the other hand you have a team who has had sustained success and is in a bit of a limbo with the direction they want to go (top up or bottom out and rebuild). A premiership to hawks fans now he wouldn't be seen as a legend like your Hodges, Mitchell etc
My post wasnt aimed at slaying the hawks it's common sense from the general public that the blues would be the better option but the hawks would be mad not to have a good crack at him
Irony with Carlton's list is this. Tell me what happens when blokes like Simpson, Thomas, Kreuzer, Murphy etc all retire. People bang on about our experienced guys, but this is just as bad.
Anyway, this thread has just turned into potting the Hawthorn list 24/7.
Back to Cogs. The longer this drags on, the more likely he's leaving. Blind Freddy knows that Hawthorn are up to their eyeballs in this. Tick tock.
Sounds like you are convincing yourself.
Burgoyne, McEnvoy, Roughead, Pupolo, Birtchell, Stratton, Frawley, Smith, Henderson and Ceglar will be retired within 3 years. Bruest and Scully over 30 in that period. That is a massive list of quality ending or close to the end. Massive.
What will be will be.
Kelly to the Eagles will likely rule out Cogs anyway.
He hates purple.
Yes, it's the reigning premier who look every chance to go back to back that are the problem.Yeah yeah yeah. So we're told. And we're not gonna naturally turn that list over are we?
If we're so s**t, doesn't say much about your mob. Fell over the line in a slog at the G the other week.
It's not that simple mate. Nothing is.
He's got a ton of business interests here in Melbourne. Some with JOM, yes. His other mate Patton may also be joining Hawthorn. Scully is also here.
Yes, there is Clarko. There is also Sam Mitchell.
Yes we have senior players retiring, but we have young guns in Worpel, Sicily, Hardwick and Impey coming through. We have Tom Mitchell returning.
We have a new world class facility being built as we speak.
We have a ton of recent success and a proven track record of going again.
Don't write off Hawthorn. It would be foolish.
A couple things go our way with umpiring / in-game injuries and the Hawks don't lose the Dogs / Saints / Dees games (off the top of my head) and are sitting just outside the top 4.
Add Mitchell, Coniglio, Patton, a fully fit Wingard (plus a couple first round draft picks) and you cannot tell me we are going to be far off.
I think the Bulldogs and Sydney would be keen on him too.
The Doggies have millions to spend over the next couple of years, I'm expecting them to be big players in this off season.I think he’d just stay at GWS if he was in Sydney. The bulldogs have cash and growth, I could see why he want there.
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This is the problem with this thread, a Hawks poster makes arguments as to why Cogs may choose Hawthorn and people bitch about the Hawks fan acting like it's a done deal.Sounds like you are convincing yourself.
I think the Bulldogs and Sydney would be keen on him too.
I personally doubt it. The last thing the Dogs need to recruit is more midfielders, unless they are elite in outside speed and crafty ball usage (hence the links to Martin and Hill). Coniglio is a gun, but it would be a pretty poor usage of cap space for the Dogs to bring him in, considering that's $1m+ for a player who is not even going to be our best mid. We already have Bontempelli as the better player, with Macrae about on par, as well as guys like Dunkley and Smith improving every week.I think he’d just stay at GWS if he was in Sydney. The bulldogs have cash and growth, I could see why he want there.
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Whitfield is one I could see us chasing, but doubt he'd actually come to us. Him, Martin and Hill are all types we'd be into this off-seasonThe Doggies have millions to spend over the next couple of years, I'm expecting them to be big players in this off season.
Potentially chasing Whitfield too.
I didn't say Hawthorn isn't a desired destination, nor did I disregard Clarkson. If that's an argument you want to have go argue it with someone who actually said that.I’m not sure any one said that though.
What has been argued against is the idea that its fanciful for Hawthorn supporters or any others to think that Clarkson can get this team to rise in 2-3 years.
Again, that’s not what anyone has said.
Much like BJK#5 posted earlier in the thread, the majority of Hawthorn posters are simply arguing that it’s not such a preposterous notion to think that Hawthorn is a desired destination for players, or for Hawthorn or Clarkson to be talking about rising again quickly in such an even comp.
The continued disregard for the best coach in the comp is what is really crazy.
Surely the Dogs would be close to the last team that would chase him.I think the Bulldogs and Sydney would be keen on him too.
Except when they trade a gun mid for picks to also pick up the key tall they need. They get the replacement gun mid for free.Surely the Dogs would be close to the last team that would chase him.
Macrae, Libba, Bont, Hunter, Dunks, McLean is quality as well as others that can rotate through.
One of the best midfields in the comp and they would be crazy to lock in a mil a year in a position of such strength.
I think you don't knowI think he shocks everyone and moves to Carlton.
I think everyone in the list management industry knows.I think you don't know
No one does except Coniglio himself & Obeanie !
Really? Looked miles off it a few weeks ago.Yes, it's the reigning premier who look every chance to go back to back that are the problem.
Dumb.