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Crimboy said:
But the big question is, Why? A guy that was a high pick that was good but not great, without the fan favourite aspect, doesnt have a spot in the best 22 in this team currently. All emotion aside, resign before mid year pick and let Fremantle take a pick. Wont happen because why lose 200k a year even on the bench?
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How exactly was Stephen Hill not great you pillock?
 
wayToGo_ said:
Think Brandon Walker might be the closest thing we have to the next SHill. Will be a bit of a slow build though...
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Does he have the agility, acceleration, decision making and kicking skills? Shill from congestion was a thing of beauty. So clean on the outside as well.
Big Flappy said:
Half the people in this thread prob wanted to retire Mundy 3 years ago
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Hey!

I tried to retire him last year, not 3 years ago.
 

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Big Flappy said:
Half the people in this thread prob wanted to retire Mundy 3 years ago
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Not me, Mundy's worst season (game wise) was 2011 where he played 12 games. That is ten years ago.

I think some people in this thread think I am a SHill hater. I am anything but. I am also a realist, if that is too much for some so be it.
 
Scham said:
He’ll be fine. Just needs to take it slow and wash all of the Weber out of him.
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[emoji106]he’s worth persevering with. Port thought Burgoyne was finished when he moved to Hawthorn. Nek minnut...

I’m not saying Hill give 400 a shake but at 31yo we could still get a few years out of him. I’d like him purely outside though now.
 
Nodgey said:
[emoji106]he’s worth persevering with. Port thought Burgoyne was finished when he moved to Hawthorn. Nek minnut...
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I don't think that's a valid comparison. Burgoyne finished 4th in Port's B&F in 2008 before having one injured year in 09 then jumping ship. In fact I lost a lot of respect for Burgoyne chasing cheap success at Hawthorn like that.

Hill has been cooked for years now. I don't thing any Freo supporter should be criticised for acknowledging that.
 
Crimboy said:
But the big question is, Why? A guy that was a high pick that was good but not great, without the fan favourite aspect, doesnt have a spot in the best 22 in this team currently. All emotion aside, resign before mid year pick and let Fremantle take a pick. Wont happen because why lose 200k a year even on the bench?
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A few things. Hill was great player. Maybe he wasn't quite as resilient - is that why you put him in the good not great column? Because on playing output alone he was an A grader for a long period of time. Whether he can get back to something close to his best (and that is extremely doubtful) will determine whether he's best 22. And that's something I don't know.
Mid season draft? Well if we're eyeing someone off that will make an immediate difference, then sure. But if we're just going to pick another Dillon O'Reilly (one of the most perplexing draft picks in the history of the club), then we may as well give Hilly every opportunity to get back.
 
Tbonefreo said:
Didn't some prick stand on his leg and break it?
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i think it was an ankle?

mundy has obviously been very reslient. you don't get to 330 games without being pretty robust. the fact his major injuries have been impact is a good sign. Shill unfortunately its all muscle issues, which is not surprising for a guy who still holds the agility record - fast twitch fibres no doubt.
 
Rob said:
A few things. Hill was great player. Maybe he wasn't quite as resilient - is that why you put him in the good not great column? Because on playing output alone he was an A grader for a long period of time. Whether he can get back to something close to his best (and that is extremely doubtful) will determine whether he's best 22. And that's something I don't know.
Mid season draft? Well if we're eyeing someone off that will make an immediate difference, then sure. But if we're just going to pick another Dillon O'Reilly (one of the most perplexing draft picks in the history of the club), then we may as well give Hilly every opportunity to get back.
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A lot of people here have the Ross Lyon disease of looking at history and wishing they were what they were "way back when" and thinking that because a player was a great serviceman (not great as in respects to players like Mundy, Pavlich, Fyfe, Neale, McPharlin etc as he isnt in that category).
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^ this is what i see in my head sometimes when people get over emotional and abuse other freo fans when they have an opinion that doesnt match their. Must be vegans.

Actually watching Hill train, or play in a scratch match or in the 3 or 4 games hes had in the last few seasons hes not moved past 50%. and when he does, he breaks down. Mundy is a completely different story because he performs at 110% almost every week and holds his position, and yes take the injuries for Hill aside he may have been a contender to be in the mention for greats list rather than a good player. He showed promise in 2010 and good form in 2012/13/15 but thats it. Would you trust Hills hamstring to not ping chasing a Dustin Martin or being chased by an Aliir Aliir. You are joking if you say yes because he hasnt chased, and he hasnt used his speed that he used to have, because hes afraid of pinging that hamstring again.

All justifying MY OPINION to pillocks aside, who would you leave out of 22 that we have, and take serious thought into a 1/2 year pickup (left wing example of someone like Kade Simpson for 50k a season just purely for the football brain and on field leadership he could supply). Hill is simply not the player he was, and its only detrimental to the future of the club to play a player who gets maybe 1/2 game a season and has to be subbed out which is why we have been in a continual rebuild for 8 years. You are better served putting Giro/Crowden/O'Driscoll/Valente/Walker (yes I am aware some of them arent AFL ready yet) to get games into them and if they arent going to get games, throw them out aswell and get players you will actually play.
Im not saying I dont like Hill, in fact the opposite because he is one of my top 10 Dockers exciting players in their prime, im saying that hes not worth continuing with on the pitch, off the pitch he can offer experience. Like Bennell. Like Dawson. Like so many other players that stayed on a list long past it was realistic for a successful footy club.
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I love S.Hill but his best days are well behind him. IF there is a good player available in the mid-season draft (that we've been watching) then we would be neglect to not explore the option of Hill being 'retired'. He's not playing next year so what's the point? He isn't all of a sudden going to pull a Mundy for the second half of the season.

It's just sound list management and not intended as a slight on Hill's career.
 
malpaso said:
I love S.Hill but his best days are well behind him. IF there is a good player available in the mid-season draft (that we've been watching) then we would be neglect to not explore the option of Hill being 'retired'. He's not playing next year so what's the point? He isn't all of a sudden going to pull a Mundy for the second half of the season.

It's just sound list management and not intended as a slight on Hill's career.
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On a pure football output level, you would delist Stephen Hill in the next few weeks and take a new player in the MSD.
However, that doesn’t consider the intangibles such as the effects of a decision like that on the playing group, the loss of a senior player in the group, the example it sets to other players, playing group culture etc etc.
There would want to be a star waiting in the wings to get drafted in June to compensate for the negative impact of cutting a club legend loose at 30 year old like that. In reality it’s a rookie draft. We will have pick 9 or 10 at best by June 2nd. Yes covid disturbance has meant a few top 30 lads may have slipped through to this draft.
They will all be well and truly off the table by the time we get a selection. At BEST, you are looking at a delisting Hill to bring in a John Noble/Will Snelling/Marlion Pickett type. If this Jacob Edwards kid was available to us then maybe yeah you would mount an argument. But if he’s as good as they say North will have him snapped up long before anyone else gets a look in.

Anyway it’s freo. We will probably have a season ending injury before the 2nd June in any case.
 
Dockeroo said:
On a pure football output level, you would delist Stephen Hill in the next few weeks and take a new player in the MSD.
However, that doesn’t consider the intangibles such as the effects of a decision like that on the playing group, the loss of a senior player in the group, the example it sets to other players, playing group culture etc etc.
There would want to be a star waiting in the wings to get drafted in June to compensate for the negative impact of cutting a club legend loose at 30 year old like that. In reality it’s a rookie draft. We will have pick 9 or 10 at best by June 2nd. Yes covid disturbance has meant a few top 30 lads may have slipped through to this draft.
They will all be well and truly off the table by the time we get a selection. At BEST, you are looking at a delisting Hill to bring in a John Noble/Will Snelling/Marlion Pickett type. If this Jacob Edwards kid was available to us then maybe yeah you would mount an argument. But if he’s as good as they say North will have him snapped up long before anyone else gets a look in.

Anyway it’s freo. We will probably have a season ending injury before the 2nd June in any case.
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We don't have to delist him though just place him on the long-term injury list?
 
You have to be a good player / lucky with your contract to survive 3+ injury ruined years , some players have managed to put mid/late career injury woes behind them and hit the line strong to finish their career but thinking about it most of those success stories J Waite , Birchall etc have included a change of clubs

Maybe delisting Hilly before the MSD is giving him his one last shot


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purplerunsdeep2 said:
Can he be de-listed and move to rookie spot if this current push to get him up and moving doesn’t work?


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He is finished at Freo what’s the point?
His greatest asset was his pace, if that’s gone?
Fantastic player but we need to put a fork in him.
There is only one Mundy, maybe another club could fix him?
 
Longmuirs response was diplomacy pure and simple. It's partly true, the fitness guys probably do think they can get him up for a few games at the end of the season and Longmuir will probably play him.
Is Hill any part of our plans past this year? Absolutely not.
 
Hill has had recurring injuries but they haven't been the same injury. Its been calf, adductor, and hamstring injuries. Think he also had a shoulder injury in there too, but the pre-season last year the reports were that he was firing.

Someone with his physique shouldn't be finished at 30yo.
 
stax on the mull said:
Hill has had recurring injuries but they haven't been the same injury. Its been calf, adductor, and hamstring injuries. Think he also had a shoulder injury in there too, but the pre-season last year the reports were that he was firing.

Someone with his physique shouldn't be finished at 30yo.
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Quad too from memory.
 

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