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[Andronicus]

Cracking post - what a shame some of your fellow posters do not have the same level of maturity as yourself.

This post might hold a little more weight coming from anybody else.

Particularly with you "liking" any anti essendon post.

 

[doggies ftw]

Firstly, what a stupid thing to say. How can you categorically say what Essendon would do if the roles were reversed?

Secondly, how many players taken at or around pick 22 go on to become decent players? The hit rate isnt great.

No I am 100% confident in saying Essendon would be reluctant in offering pick 105.

Look at your own teams recruiting in that range lately to see how important it can be.

Sure they might turn out a spud but in this day and age you want to be getting at the least a solid player out of a 2nd rounder, and surely you'd rather have the chance than not. But pls essendon keep going because the only loser here is you and frankly I want it to go to the PSD.

He is guaranteed to come to us in the PSD, do you think a team will take him without doing a medical or at the very least, you know, talking to him. All he has to do is refuse to talk to anyone and he is ours, he's obviously happy enough to do it. So I am praying Essendon keep being campaigners personally

 

[Two Eyes]

The smell of denial coming from Essendon supporters is overpowering. Reminds me of the Hawks in the Pelchen days when Peter Everitt wanted out to Sydney. Day 1 of trade week Sydney offered pick 33 for him. Hawthorn beat their chest all week and demanded Sydney's 1st rounder. With only minutes to spare on the final day Hawthorn slunk back to the table and did the deal.

Since then the Hawks have completely turned around their trading reputations and indeed have traded their way to a flag. For Essendon its still 2006/1986.

Sometimes you gave to accept you have been dealt a shit hand and fold with grace. There is no point trying to bluff the guy holding aces over kings.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

This is like some kind of alternate reality.

Have any of you people actually kept up to date with what anybody involved is saying?

 

[Astro Bomber]

If Gumby is worth pick 30, then Crameri is surely worth more than pick 22. Stingy povs down at the Kennel. Hey Doggies "Be a man! Do the right thing!"

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Firstly, what a stupid thing to say. How can you categorically say what Essendon would do if the roles were reversed?

Secondly, how many players taken at or around pick 22 go on to become decent players? The hit rate isnt great.

Because Essendon is Essendon.

Overrate their own. Underrate everyone else's.

Offer a packet of chips for Scott West and then want a higher pick for Gumbleton - even his manager says Essendon wants overs!

Not a stupid comment . Pretty much on the mark. Every other club in the AFL (including Carlscum )
knows it.

Unfortunately, Essendon is Essendon.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

If Gumby is worth pick 30, then Crameri is surely worth more than pick 22. Stingy povs down at the Kennel. Hey Doggies "Be a man! Do the right thing!"

Pick 30?

35 games in 7 years = pick 95.

You may not have noticed, but Essendon is no longer able to tell everyone what to do. Should be a penalty for arrogance, too. But then we'd have a bye every week, wouldn't we?

And the right thing would be doing what Essendon wants, I assume?

FFS

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Because Essendon is Essendon.

And here is the other side of the coin. A lot of smaller clubs have minority complexes. Often it suits the narrative to paint every action Essendon does as villainous so these supporters can feel some moral superiority to supporting the little man. I understand this, I choose my EPL team because I didn't want to be a bandwagon supporter jumping on a successful team hunting glory. I am just sick of this small club mentality trying to make people feel bad because they happen to support a big club, its pretty scummy behaviour tbh.

 

[Sydswans0512]

If Gumby is worth pick 30, then Crameri is surely worth more than pick 22. Stingy povs down at the Kennel. Hey Doggies "Be a man! Do the right thing!"

Wanting pick 30 for Gumby just proves how bad Essendon are to deal with

 

[GetDimmaBack]

And here is the other side of the coin. A lot of smaller clubs have minority complexes. Often it suits the narrative to paint every action Essendon does as villainous so these supporters can feel some moral superiority to supporting the little man. I understand this, I choose my EPL team because I didn't want to be a bandwagon supporter jumping on a successful team hunting glory.

Fair point, but I don't feel that way about, say, Collingwood or Hawthorn.

I have always felt that the Essendon attitude was "born-to-rule", and unfortunately my Bombers friends have always given me reason to think this.

The drug saga confirmed it - Hird has gone from a legend to the Messiah in the eyes of many (not all, of course) Dons fans. Not sure why. Will never understand why.

I was at an Essendon game years ago (not sure who they were playing), and a free was paid against Hird. He looked at the umpire in complete, dumbfounded confusion, and someone in the crowd called out, "Umpire you can't do that! Don't you know who he is? That's James Hird!".

The crowd laughed, but I think that sort of thing is the opinion of most supporters of other clubs.

That's my take, FWIW.

 

[Astro Bomber]

Wanting pick 30 for Gumby just proves how bad Essendon are to deal with

Pick thirty is reported to be being offered (not asked)

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I have always felt that the Essendon attitude was "born-to-rule", and unfortunately my Bombers friends have always given me reason to think this.

The drug saga confirmed it - Hird has gone from a legend to the Messiah in the eyes of many (not all, of course) Dons fans. Not sure why. Will never understand why.

I was at an Essendon game years ago (not sure who they were playing), and a free was paid against Hird. He looked at the umpire in complete, dumbfounded confusion, and someone in the crowd called out, "Umpire you can't do that! Don't you know who he is? That's James Hird!".

The crowd laughed, but I think that sort of thing is the opinion of most supporters of other clubs.

Most people who support football are loud and boarish when their team is up and about. Essendon supporters seem to get painted with this brush more than most, when I don't think we hold a candle to Hawks and Richmond supporters. I think we're similar to Pies and Carlton supporters who aren't as bad as their reputations proceed.

Secondly that exact same scenario happens on weekly basis across all clubs, the reason that particular story stayed with you as opposed to the hundreds of other players, is going back the point of warping perceptions to suit your narrative. So when James appealed for the free, you and the other's connected that to the Essendon are "born-to-rule" perception when in reality it was just another footballer who thought he shouldn't have been pinged.

 

[Sydswans0512]

Pick thirty is reported to be being offered (not asked)

Reported is the keyword

 

[Doss]

I really have no idea why any Essendon supporter would be bringing the 'minnow club' line into this- it's completely irrelevant.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Agree Doss, the size of a club holds little-to-no relevance at the trade table. End of story. Lets move on...

 

[Yoda_]

Tippett sat half a year out - the Swans had no problem waiting for him.

I am sure the Dogs would be ok with waiting for 6 months for Crameri - 2 years is a different story.

Admittedly I've only viewed this thread sporadically however I've noticed Essendon fans aren't that fussed he is or wants to leave, any of you disappointed he wants out? I always thought he was handy for you, could have nailed 10 against us last year if his radar was on.

I was watching him run around in a back pocket for the Bendigo Bombers two years before we even drafted him and never thought much of him. He could run fast, was built like a brick S**thouse and was pretty good 1:1, but his skills were ordinary, seemed to always be injured a lot and never really knuckled down a spot in the VFL 1's let alone AFL.

At AFL level, he was almost going to be delisted, tried him in defence, struggled. Moved to the midfield, debuted, did ok, but injured himself. Was shifted forward, and hasn't looked back. Worked on his endurance base, and was able to promote himself as a more mobile forward, rather than a bullocking KPP.

Kicking still let's himself down (96.65 overall) and injuries continually haunt him. However, he somehow gets stuff done.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

asterix you go for everton which is definitely not a small club LOL. Maybe if you went for sunderland i would say ok

When I started going for them (end of 2003-04 season) they finished 17th. Also they had finished 13th or lower in 10 of the previous 11 years, I couldn't care about success 25 years before that means nothing to me if I don't experience it.

 

[RearNaked]

All this hate for essendon is delicious

 

[yaco55]

Carlisle looks like he is going to become the one of the premier defenders for the next 10 years. He is like Taylor in that if a coach needs to try something they can swing him forward - but again I think his best position will be CHB. Maybe he will change my mind if Bomber gives him a good run in the forward line.

Will be interesting to see where Hurley and Carlilse start in round 1 2014.

I would rather play Hurley back and Carlisle forward. Hurley is a better defender than carlisle, and in time carlisle can be a better forward than Hurley.

 

[bazzadog]

pick 22+4+griffen for crmaeri,hurley and carlile

 

[reincarnated]

Can some of you guys kind enough to name a few players who walked to the PSD or the National draft because the player's club didn't want to do the trade deal feeling they were being paid under the player's value.

- Nick Stevens (club - Port Adelaide)
- Luke Ball ( club - St Kilda)

My point is why is it if another club does it, it's not talked about being a big thing but when Essendon is in that boat we are hard to trade with? LOL

We had pick 17 for Caddy. We gave Hooker plus 17 for Caddy but we were being told that was not good enough. Clearly that offer was more than Caddy's worth. Apparently we should have given up Heppell and We are hard to trade with.

So when the shoe is on the other foot, we apparently should take pick 22. Funny that. If you want our quality player then pay the price. Don't try to shaft us. Pick 22 and JJ wil get the deal done. Not like we are asking for Stringer or Libba on top of 22. Or it is not like we are asking for pick 4. We want the right value.

Yes we have been punished with draft sanctions. Yes, we can't afford to lose him for nothing during this time. Yes, if it comes down to the deadline and still the trade hasn't gone through, we need to accept the 22.

But you would think the Bulldogs will do the right thing instead of doing the low act. Karma is a bch. It will get you in someway. Maybe end up picking a dud with pick 4 or gets poor Stringer...

 

[TheHoneyBadger]

But you would think the Bulldogs will do the right thing instead of doing the low act. Karma is a bch. It will get you in someway. Maybe end up picking a dud with pick 4 or gets poor Stringer...

Really? Karma?

 

[reincarnated]

Really? Karma?

Yep It might get Macca too. So beware.

 

[RearNaked]

pick 22+4+griffen for crmaeri,hurley and carlile

How about no

 

[F_therest]

Can some of you guys kind enough to name a few players who walked to the PSD or the National draft because the player's club didn't want to do the trade deal feeling they were being paid under the player's value.

- Nick Stevens (club - Port Adelaide)
- Luke Ball ( club - St Kilda)

My point is why is it if another club does it, it's not talked about being a big thing but when Essendon is in that boat we are hard to trade with? LOL

We had pick 17 for Caddy. We gave Hooker plus 17 for Caddy but we were being told that was not good enough. Clearly that offer was more than Caddy's worth. Apparently we should have given up Heppell and We are hard to trade with.

So when the shoe is on the other foot, we apparently should take pick 22. Funny that. If you want our quality player then pay the price. Don't try to shaft us. Pick 22 and JJ wil get the deal done. Not like we are asking for Stringer or Libba on top of 22. Or it is not like we are asking for pick 4. We want the right value.

Yes we have been punished with draft sanctions. Yes, we can't afford to lose him for nothing during this time. Yes, if it comes down to the deadline and still the trade hasn't gone through, we need to accept the 22.

But you would think the Bulldogs will do the right thing instead of doing the low act. Karma is a bch. It will get you in someway. Maybe end up picking a dud with pick 4 or gets poor Stringer...

But Crameri's not that good. Shocking kick for goal. 22 + JJ is overs and 22 by itself is unders...a pick in late teens probably about right but he is out of contract and wants to leave so Essendon will have to accept 22. Its not that much under.