Play Nice Still no evidence against Melbourne re: tanking

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Bragging to sponsors about "doing everything required" to net Scully and Trengove
PROVE IT

Bragging to supporters about making 7-8 changes before the Sydney game
JUST CAME OFF A PATHETIC LOSS TO GEELONG AT KARDINIA PARK. WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TEAM TO MAKE CHANGES AFTER SUCH A DISGRACEFUL PERFORMANCE
Openly talking about the need to secure the PP during a club meeting
PROVE IT. WHERE IS THE WRITTEN EVIDENCE?

Rotating players during wins but not losses
WE HAD 3 INJURIES V RICHMOND. OFCOURSE ROTATIONS ARE GOING TO BE LESS

Laughable positional changes, primarily to more senior players, during the Richmond game
AND YET WE KICKED 2 OF THE LAST 3 GOALS TO HIT THE FRONT





Sure everyone in a position to tank has tanked, but no-one else as blatantly and stupidly as Melbourne have (which is what will bite your team on the arse in the end)
 

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cant really be bothered reading all of the pages but i for one would hate to see a club already on its knees be further put behind the 8 ball for what a few did , it will break the club if they are excluded , fined etc . I dont have the answers if they did "tank" but the AFL needs Melbourne in the comp. Thats my 2 cents
 
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You where going ok until you invented your own fanciful scenario that sounded juicy.

"CHRIS Connolly has rejected claims the now infamous "vault" meeting even took place and has suggested he is the victim of a conspiracy within the Melbourne Football Club"

"He [Connolly] is saying there wasn't a vault meeting, there were so many meetings he can't remember," a legal representative with knowledge of the report said.
"He goes to quite an extent to say that, 'I have been lined up by certain people at the club, these are the same people who lined me up to move sideways from football manager', to what he is doing now.
"He talks about stuff being leaked to The Age. He goes to a fairly full length to say there is some conspiracy theory."

You have idea whatsoever if this was as you are suggesting some fanciful scenario invented by the journo or just what he says it is, a information provided to him by a legal representive who has knowledge of the report advising him what it says that Connolly has said in his interviews.
No, the point that I was making was that some richmond supporter said that Connolly had publicly come forward with this statement, which isn't the case at all. It's some unknown person telling us what we already know, which is the secret metting called the vault never existed
 

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Christ, and I get called delusional because I say stuff like "Kieran Harper has all the talents to be an elite fwd/mid, if he was at a big club you'd never hear rthe end of him".

Melbourne fans by and large living in bizzaroworld now.
Some of them are taking a level headed approach, but the Demonheart types are engaging in serious solvent huffing behavior.
 
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Fans like you starting threads at the time praising the tanking, because it was so obvious.

Your own former president saying he couldn't attend games because it was so obvious the onfield shenanigans and he hated seeing people wearing blue and red applauding it.

The fact that former players and coaches have very specifically gone out of their way to nudge nudge wink wink the whole thing when asked.
You mean our former president who was reasonable for the club being in debt by over $5m and almost destroyed us with incompetent management?

He had his chance to run the club, he failed and it almost cost us our existence so excuse me if I respond with, I don't give a shit.
 

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Why do I, on a personal level, deserve it?

Seriously?

It's just a game. Ultimately, sport is a competitive escape from our real lives. The actions may or may not have been proven. That's yet to be decided. But in the court of media opinion, it seems more that I'm a murderer rather than being stuck following a team that, let's be realistic, has had a pretty bloody rough trot lately - and yet us supporters put up with it, because that's what we do, for better or for worse.

And for doing so we're being labelled cheats, liars, defending the indefensible.

Sure, some muppets were enjoying the tank. A family member of mine is one of them - and he said specifically that the system is there to be exploited. I don't agree with him, and yet I am lumped in with him.

When North Melbourne were at risk of moving a few years back, I'm sure there were people on BigFooty claiming similar things about NMFC and their supporters. I know similar were claimed about Adelaide supporters as the Tippett saga unfolded.

Personally, I think it's a load of shit. You know how many wins I saw in 2012? One, plus the final quarter of the GWS game. You know how much control I had over those onfield events? Absolutely zero. You know how much control I had over the off-field events in 2009, whatever occurred? Zero. And yet I'm being told I'm responsible, to cop my whack because I deserved it for cheating. I did no such thing. I'll be pissed off at people who are mostly already gone from the club anyway if such a thing did occur, but once again my ability to influence affairs (because HURR VOTING MEMBER) comes very close to zero.

So honestly, piss off. I don't deserve one iota of it. I've put up with barely seeing a win for the last six years, and if I followed BigFooty's opinions I'd probably be stuck there forever and there'd be very little point in following my footy team. Instead sure. I'll turn up. I'll give them a bit of money for the privilege too. I'll follow, and support, and follow the highs and lows of sport. What I won't do is have that extra operative level of insinuation that I'm effectively a criminal copped from the likes of you because of events that I, as well as numerous other Melbourne supporters, had no control over.
Bloody well said.
 
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Fans like you starting threads at the time praising the tanking, because it was so obvious.

Your own former president saying he couldn't attend games because it was so obvious the onfield shenanigans and he hated seeing people wearing blue and red applauding it.

The fact that former players and coaches have very specifically gone out of their way to nudge nudge wink wink the whole thing when asked.
We get it mate - BPP started a thread 4 years ago praising the tanking. Whoop de doo, let's all go over it.... and over it.... and over it again. Had nothing at all to do with his post. Just because he liked it at the time doesn't mean he can't ask what the evidence is and so forth. Your views on his opinion on the matter are irrelevant to what he posted.

Your sweeping, general statements about our fans are wrong, and always are wrong. Our former president didn't like the moves we made on the field and therefore assumed we were tanking? Good on him. Gardner did sweet FA for our club so his views on what we do are well and truly tainted, plus he had no idea seeing as he was the "former" president.
 

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DH inventing his own fanciful scenario, my dear Baldrick, is a subtle plan. Although you wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle plans are here again!"
If the subtle plan painted itself blue and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle plans are here again".

Then it would fail at being subtle.
 

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No, the point that I was making was that some richmond supporter said that Connolly had publicly come forward with this statement, which isn't the case at all. It's some unknown person telling us what we already know, which is the secret metting called the vault never existed
A secret meeting called the vault never existed? True

But the normal meeting held at a place nicknamed the vault, where it is alledged by a number of witnesses that Connolly said things that made it clear that Melbourne was trying to lose games. That may well be the case.
 

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We get it mate - BPP started a thread 4 years ago praising the tanking. Whoop de doo, let's all go over it.... and over it.... and over it again. Had nothing at all to do with his post. Just because he liked it at the time doesn't mean he can't ask what the evidence is and so forth. Your views on his opinion on the matter are irrelevant to what he posted.
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So in your eyes it is ok and no foul, to on one hand brag about tanking and then whine complain whinge and call for proof when somebody derides you for tanking. :eek:
 

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A secret meeting called the vault never existed? True

But the normal meeting held at a place nicknamed the vault, where it is alledged by a number of witnesses that Connolly said things that made it clear that Melbourne was trying to lose games. That may well be the case.
Ignore DH's absurd semantics.
 

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So in your eyes it is ok and no foul, to on one hand brag about tanking and then whine complain whinge and call for proof when somebody derides you for tanking. :eek:
Yeah but but but that was before there were any possibble sanctions.........:)

also at that time they were smarter than everyone else and were patting eachother on the back about how smart they were.

What really surprised me though was on the day how they knew our theme song words.
 
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So in your eyes it is ok and no foul, to on one hand brag about tanking and then whine complain whinge and call for proof when somebody derides you for tanking. :eek:
Where in the world did I say that? I was merely sick and tired of DawofSelfDelusion posting the same stuff over and over and over again. I've never defended or done anything towards was BBP posted years ago, I couldn't care less. You guys are just interested in putting words in other people's mouths and then hugging each other about it.
 

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Where in the world did I say that? I was merely sick and tired of DawofSelfDelusion posting the same stuff over and over and over again. I've never defended or done anything towards was BBP posted years ago, I couldn't care less. You guys are just interested in putting words in other people's mouths and then hugging each other about it.
I read your post as defending BBP doing just that.
 
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And for what its worth i felt wallace was an idiot for saying what he said
It hurt Richmond supporters, but Wallace deserves credit for speaking out, imho. Back in 2007 he was saying the AFL needed to fix the tanking problem. If they'd listened, we wouldn't be here.

Yes, he opened us up to accusations of tanking from people who didn't listen properly to what he was saying. He could have just said, "We all did the best we could," instead of things like, "Everyone in the coaches' box was in a no-win position." If he'd done that, I wouldn't need to see people misquoting him on BigFooty every six months.

But I don't fault Wallace for drawing attention to a problem that really was a cancer on the AFL and needed to be fixed.
 
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Yeah but but but that was before there were any possibble sanctions.........:)

also at that time they were smarter than everyone else and were patting eachother on the back about how smart they were.

What really surprised me though was on the day how they knew our theme song words.
To be fair, it's a really good song.
 

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It hurt Richmond supporters, but Wallace deserves credit for speaking out, imho. Back in 2007 he was saying the AFL needed to fix the tanking problem. If they'd listened, we wouldn't be here.

Yes, he opened us up to accusations of tanking from people who didn't listen properly to what he was saying. He could have just said, "We all did the best we could," instead of things like, "Everyone in the coaches' box was in a no-win position." If he'd done that, I wouldn't need to see people misquoting him on BigFooty every six months.

But I don't fault Wallace for drawing attention to a problem that really was a cancer on the AFL and needed to be fixed.
If Wallace spoke out once, and made sense, he'd deserve credit. Unfortunately in typical Wally fashion:

- Comes out and says he felt compromised going into the game, and strongly alluded to the notion that the idea of the PP was strong on his mind

- Media backlash sees him backtrack, and saying he felt compromised and that was all (i.e. he didn't tank)

- YEARS later, during a non-RFC tanking discussion on SEN, to try and so his relevance to all things he mentioned at for a stage of the 3rd quarter in the Saints game he stopped intervening in team tactics, and let them do their thing. We started winning though, so he took the reins back (at which time we promptly lost).

- Again media backlash, but it was Wally and people were sick of his shit so it sort of was let lie.

- Again much later, another tanking discussion on SEN and Wally needs to be relevant. When asked about his prior comments he says he was taken out of context. Says the players had a good win the week before, and they were using the same tactics in the Saints game as they had in the win. Rather than "abandon the players to help a loss", the idea was to let them play to the game plan themselves to see if they were learning/developing properly. Fact we came back showed we had.

My issue with Wally is most of the time he raised this game as an example were during pathetic attempts for him to get his orange head some more media attention, and when he realized the potential consequences of that (i.e. AFL chopping off your balls), he waters down/clarifies/waffles.

Did he tank? I personally think he did the diet lite version of a tank. In typical Wally fashion, he didn't have the balls to commit to something properly, and while he didn't select a team to lose, position a team to lose, or use tactics designed for the team to lose, taking your hand of the wheel doesn't help them win. Typical Wally didn't want to get his hands dirty, and its probably the only thing that saved him/the club from what the Dees are currently going through.

Problem with Wallace is however I would never say 100% he didn't try something more damaging. The guy has changed his story 3 times just on this version of what he did, he swore black and blue that he didn't have an agreement with the Swans when he abandoned the dogs, and it was later shown to be 100% wrong. Who can trust the guy?

I was a fan of Wallace, even in his last season (yes, i know......:oops:). Wallace however in that season played injured players at the risk of their careers on multiple occasions, because the selfish prick was only concerned about cheap wins to save his career, and not ensuring the long term careers of our better players. This whole Wally commenting on tanking is just the same, him wanting to big note himself into a national debate, with little respect for what is the truth, or the potential implication of any facts/lies the idiot says.
 

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If Wallace spoke out once, and made sense, he'd deserve credit. Unfortunately in typical Wally fashion:

- Comes out and says he felt compromised going into the game, and strongly alluded to the notion that the idea of the PP was strong on his mind

- Media backlash sees him backtrack, and saying he felt compromised and that was all (i.e. he didn't tank)

- YEARS later, during a non-RFC tanking discussion on SEN, to try and so his relevance to all things he mentioned at for a stage of the 3rd quarter in the Saints game he stopped intervening in team tactics, and let them do their thing. We started winning though, so he took the reins back (at which time we promptly lost).

- Again media backlash, but it was Wally and people were sick of his shit so it sort of was let lie.

- Again much later, another tanking discussion on SEN and Wally needs to be relevant. When asked about his prior comments he says he was taken out of context. Says the players had a good win the week before, and they were using the same tactics in the Saints game as they had in the win. Rather than "abandon the players to help a loss", the idea was to let them play to the game plan themselves to see if they were learning/developing properly. Fact we came back showed we had.

My issue with Wally is most of the time he raised this game as an example were during pathetic attempts for him to get his orange head some more media attention, and when he realized the potential consequences of that (i.e. AFL chopping off your balls), he waters down/clarifies/waffles.

Did he tank? I personally think he did the diet lite version of a tank. In typical Wally fashion, he didn't have the balls to commit to something properly, and while he didn't select a team to lose, position a team to lose, or use tactics designed for the team to lose, taking your hand of the wheel doesn't help them win. Typical Wally didn't want to get his hands dirty, and its probably the only thing that saved him/the club from what the Dees are currently going through.

Problem with Wallace is however I would never say 100% he didn't try something more damaging. The guy has changed his story 3 times just on this version of what he did, he swore black and blue that he didn't have an agreement with the Swans when he abandoned the dogs, and it was later shown to be 100% wrong. Who can trust the guy?

I was a fan of Wallace, even in his last season (yes, i know......:oops:). Wallace however in that season played injured players at the risk of their careers on multiple occasions, because the selfish prick was only concerned about cheap wins to save his career, and not ensuring the long term careers of our better players. This whole Wally commenting on tanking is just the same, him wanting to big note himself into a national debate, with little respect for what is the truth, or the potential implication of any facts/lies the idiot says.
There can be varying levels of tanking. But at the end of the day tanking is tanking. There's no doubt teams other than Melbourne have tanked. No coach will admit to it. Why would they want to dirty their name?
 
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