Play Nice Still no evidence against Melbourne re: tanking

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Great to see BF isn't confined to teenage trolls, WA secessionists and wannabe journalists and lawyers
Lets see which one I fit into.

Teenage troll? nope. Teenage years over.
WA seccessionist? SA born and bred.
Wannabe journalist? The job title on my paycheque says otherwise.

So what am I, then? Keep on trying to negatively label anyone with an opion different to yours.
 

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tanked to get a hack that is so poor as a KPF they have to pick up a discard hack from Collingwood to play the role,

still do the crime....
You're making yourself look quite stupid now - I assume you're making a thinly veiled troll about Watts yet no-one has come close to suggesting we tanked during 2008. In fact if any team tanked that year it was West Coast who had some very dodgy "injuries" and results particularly towards the end of the year, particularly against Melbourne at the G.
 

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Look it's easy to see why Melbourne is garnering little sympathy in this matter - supporters boasted about tanking and the how the players acquired with early draft picks would inevitably lead to premiership glory. Watts, Blease, Strauss, Scully, Trengove, Gysberts, Tapscott
Just joined this post and not time to read it all........ has anyone argued that under the AFL's priority pick rules tanking is an entirely logical thing to do?

Of course Melbourne and other clubs tanked for priority picks, but I blame the AFL, they set up the stupid system.
 

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What was thinly veiled about that? I'd say it's a pretty up-front calling out of Jack Watts.
It may have appeared up front but the equating of alleged tanking to recruiting Watts is what stumped me because no-one has even alleged we tanked in 2008, the year we drafted Watts. So apparently now any year a team is crap they were tanking.

Lets see which one I fit into.

Teenage troll? nope. Teenage years over.
WA seccessionist? SA born and bred.
Wannabe journalist? The job title on my paycheque says otherwise.

So what am I, then? Keep on trying to negatively label anyone with an opion different to yours.
Haha bit defensive there mate, wasn't even talking about or replying to you it was just a general comment. But you know what they say about those who protest too much...
 

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You're making yourself look quite stupid now - I assume you're making a thinly veiled troll about Watts yet no-one has come close to suggesting we tanked during 2008. In fact if any team tanked that year it was West Coast who had some very dodgy "injuries" and results particularly towards the end of the year, particularly against Melbourne at the G.
I don't see how that was dodgy. We did not win a game away from home all year. Cox, Glass, Embley et al still played that game. There were nine premiership players but many were on the decline. And yet we only had four less scoring shots that day.

We did play Tony Notte though. He was utterly shit. So I guess he was responsible for our loss.
 

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Caro's latest story. A player urging his teammates to win at 3qtr time. C'mon Caro give us something. Or stop writing crap. What's next an interview with the man who sat behind the bench.
 

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Just joined this post and not time to read it all........ has anyone argued that under the AFL's priority pick rules tanking is an entirely logical thing to do?

Of course Melbourne and other clubs tanked for priority picks, but I blame the AFL, they set up the stupid system.
I don't think so. Has anybody argued that the AFL's rules are the reason Adelaide cheated the salary cap in the Tippett thread?
 

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I don't think so. Has anybody argued that the AFL's rules are the reason Adelaide cheated the salary cap in the Tippett thread?

No, and ....we don't accept the presumption in your question.

I'm pretty sure our defence will be that we didn't exceed the salary cap and the AFL approved all the players' third-party contracts.

And just to clarify, you don't believe Melbourne (and Carlton) tanked? That makes you and Vlad just about the only ones denying the obvious.
 
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Great to see BF isn't confined to teenage trolls, WA secessionists and wannabe journalists and lawyers but also people with delusions of grandeur who think because they post something on an internet forum that equates it to now being the official opinion of the AFL. :rolleyes:
But have you answered the question which I put up early. Stop deflecting......
 

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No incentives? So keeping all your guns and not having them leave isn't an incentive? Someone should have told Carlton that in the 90's.
That is an incentive, but the AFL isn't offering the incentive themselves. It's not comparable to them actually giving draft picks and priority picks to those who lose.
 

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No, and ....we don't accept the presumption in your question.

I'm pretty sure our defence will be that we didn't exceed the salary cap and the AFL approved all the players' third-party contracts.

And just to clarify, you don't believe Melbourne (and Carlton) tanked? That makes you and Vlad just about the only ones denying the obvious.
I was just pointing out that it isn't an excuse and it wouldn't have been used by Adelaide either who have clearly broken some rules. Not sure where my post says that I think Melbourne didn't tank. Vlad is on his own.
 
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It's pointless debating this issue with some Demons supporters. They will never accept they tanked. Even if the AFL kicks them into next week, they will refuse to accept they tanked arguing that other clubs did it or it was list management or that the AFL had the wrong definition of tanking.

It's just pointless because some Melbourne supporters will never accept, even in the face of objective evidence, they did a damn thing wrong.
 

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It's pointless debating this issue with some Demons supporters. They will never accept they tanked.

Wait, didn't most Melbourne supporters want the club to tank, and were salivating over getting the #1 and #2 picks?

How could they watch the games and not see it?

And I'm not making a moral judgement of them, if my club was in the same position I wouldn't want them to win some meaningless fag-end-of-the-season game and lose the #2 pick. I blame the AFL for making this a rational thing to do.
 
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It's pointless debating this issue with some Demons supporters. They will never accept they tanked. Even if the AFL kicks them into next week, they will refuse to accept they tanked arguing that other clubs did it or it was list management or that the AFL had the wrong definition of tanking.

It's just pointless because some Melbourne supporters will never accept, even in the face of objective evidence, they did a damn thing wrong.
Which is??
 

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It's pointless debating this issue with some Demons supporters. They will never accept they tanked. Even if the AFL kicks them into next week, they will refuse to accept they tanked arguing that other clubs did it or it was list management or that the AFL had the wrong definition of tanking.

It's just pointless because some Melbourne supporters will never accept, even in the face of objective evidence, they did a damn thing wrong.
Yet some spend hours posting about it anyways eh. Your frustrations would be diminished if you took your own advice and stopped bothering.
 

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All I can recall at this stage is Brock McLean saying it happened.

Are you saying
a. Melbourne never tanked, or
b. there is no evidence to prove it.

Bear in mind AFL rules are if you are charged by the investigators the onus of proof will then be on the club to show on the balance of probabilities you didn't do it.
 

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Melbourne didn't tank. Tanking implies match-fixing, playing dead etc.. Players gave their all to win. But,on the other hand, the people upstairs did all they could to manipulate a loss. Despite all that, Richmond still found a way to nearly lose to them, as only Richmond can, only saved by a McMahon kick after the siren.

So I use the term, "manipulate a loss", rather than "tank". If the AFL nail them for the word "tanking" then the AFL will be legally in trouble.
 
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