Really? I'm not sure you can say the tiger's improvement isn't more about who they've played than anything the coach is telling them to do. They've beaten the two teams that the squiggle is currently predicting to come last and second last on the ladder. Another win against Pie's who have only beaten a 0-4 injury depleted Sydney side, and a win against WC at the MCG where they almost never win (although they may help fix that against us tomorrow). Some promising signs in the way the tigers have gone about those wins, but a little early to be using them as a template for success given who they've come up against so far - especially given the club's ability to troll their fans with false hope over the last 35 years.
"Stop bloody turning the ball over!"
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Really? I'm not sure you can say the tiger's improvement isn't more about who they've played than anything the coach is telling them to do. They've beaten the two teams that the squiggle is currently predicting to come last and second last on the ladder. Another win against Pie's who have only beaten a 0-4 injury depleted Sydney side, and a win against WC at the MCG where they almost never win (although they may help fix that against us tomorrow). Some promising signs in the way the tigers have gone about those wins, but a little early to be using them as a template for success given who they've come up against so far - especially given the club's ability to troll their fans with false hope over the last 35 years.
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There are different types of turnovers. I'd say most of the players on this list where under immense pressure when they gave away the ball. Most of them where probably a quick kick out of a contest. Hard to get stuck into any of these players when they comfortably walk into any side.
The only turnovers that really annoy is when a player is under no pressure, gets indecisive and gives it away cheaply.
The only turnovers that really annoy is when a player is under no pressure, gets indecisive and gives it away cheaply.
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Tiges are a good example of not just over-coaching, but coaching to trend.
Trying to play like Hawthorn 2012-2015, when you're not Hawthorn, is inviting turn-overs. Now everyone will try to copy the dogs, without the right cattle for it, more turn-overs. Ross the boss may have a horrible coaching philosophy but at least he's an independent thinker, sticks to it, and builds his team based on it.
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A top list made from totals instead of % doesn't really work.
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What is this "turnovers" and "hitting targets" jargon? Back in the day, when footballers played the game (as opposed to track and field sprinters/long distance marathon runners/basketballers being dragooned in), it was taken for granted that you could accurately kick the ball to your team-mate further up the field.
Here is the thing - Aussie Rules AFL-style is too fast. Constant rotations and the resultant sheer speed and pressure of the modern game prevent the showcasing of kicking skills, one-on-one position play (the positions have gone and Soccer-speak has taken over) and has resulted in ugly running mauls.
And here is the solution:
1. Abolish rotations and go back to 19th and 20th man. A player goes off only if KO'd or wants a smoke.
2. Bring back the drop kick and stab pass.
3. Recruit footballers, not athletes.
This will result in one-on-one position playing (if I want to watch zoning I'll go watch the NBA), enable kicking and marking skills to be showcased as in days of yore, and will help prevent "stoppages" (which is a feature of the Under-10's) and "congestion" (which is a medical condition which should play no part in Aussie Rules football) and these pesky "turnovers".
Here is the thing - Aussie Rules AFL-style is too fast. Constant rotations and the resultant sheer speed and pressure of the modern game prevent the showcasing of kicking skills, one-on-one position play (the positions have gone and Soccer-speak has taken over) and has resulted in ugly running mauls.
And here is the solution:
1. Abolish rotations and go back to 19th and 20th man. A player goes off only if KO'd or wants a smoke.
2. Bring back the drop kick and stab pass.
3. Recruit footballers, not athletes.
This will result in one-on-one position playing (if I want to watch zoning I'll go watch the NBA), enable kicking and marking skills to be showcased as in days of yore, and will help prevent "stoppages" (which is a feature of the Under-10's) and "congestion" (which is a medical condition which should play no part in Aussie Rules football) and these pesky "turnovers".
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They've got 6 to choose from.
Hawthorn and Sydney have scored equal to, or less than Collingwood this season yet some of their midfielders aren't having the same troubles finding a forward to kick to.
Bullshit Danger turns it over more than Duncan/Guthrie or Blicavs. Those 3 players specifically handball it into players under more pressure than them, and also handball directly into the hands of opposition players.
Inside players don't only have bad disposal because they're under pressure. Players like Priddis, Dangerfield, Fyfe, Martin, Swallow are/were quality ball winners but never amazing kickers even under no pressure.
Interestingly the list you posted is full of players which would be considered the antithesis of this description.
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Geez OP, what do you want from them. Never miss a target? They are people, in the end.
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I didn't mean to hurt feelings.
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If zach merret is being used as evidence to showcase the poor disposal in the AFL, then you're misinterpreting the stats.
there are more turnovers because there's more players around the ball and players off the ball set up strategically to intercept passes. This says a lot more about how defensive strategies have evolved than player skill levels. frankly player skill levels have never been higher....at most teams anyway.
there are more turnovers because there's more players around the ball and players off the ball set up strategically to intercept passes. This says a lot more about how defensive strategies have evolved than player skill levels. frankly player skill levels have never been higher....at most teams anyway.
Calling his disposal 'rubbish' is nonsensical sensationalism. He's an 'average' user of the ball, rather than elite, but so much else in his game is elite to make him one of the best.
1. Tom Mitchell 28 TO; 34.2 disposals
1. Adam Treloar 28 TO; 31 disposals
3. Matt Crouch 26 TO; 31 disposals
4. Taylor Adams 25 TO; 32 disposals
5. Zach Merrett 24 TO; 33.3 disposals
5. Patrick Dangerfield 24 TO; 31 disposals
5. Jake Lloyd 24 TO; 29.8 disposals
5. Nathan Jones 24 TO; 28.8 disposals
5. Dustin Martin 24 TO; 28.5 disposals
It's only natural that those who lead the league in TO are also those who lead the league in disposals. A simple aggregate of TO really doesn't do a lot to inform us on disposal quality.
1. Adam Treloar 28 TO; 31 disposals
3. Matt Crouch 26 TO; 31 disposals
4. Taylor Adams 25 TO; 32 disposals
5. Zach Merrett 24 TO; 33.3 disposals
5. Patrick Dangerfield 24 TO; 31 disposals
5. Jake Lloyd 24 TO; 29.8 disposals
5. Nathan Jones 24 TO; 28.8 disposals
5. Dustin Martin 24 TO; 28.5 disposals
It's only natural that those who lead the league in TO are also those who lead the league in disposals. A simple aggregate of TO really doesn't do a lot to inform us on disposal quality.
Not really, turnover is a basketball term adopted by football in the 1980s.
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Watching tonight's game, the amount of turnovers we had. Disgusting.
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This is the type of useless crap BF teaches me on a regular basis lol
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