Politics Stop comparing Communism with Neo-Nazism

[LanceRomance]

I'll let you keep scrolling lol

Gotchya?

Don't trust snopes.

 

[.Shotties.]

No, it's the marxism and Nazism are pretty similar.

What?

 

[.Shotties.]

Don't trust snopes.

You don't need to, you can go to the linked sources in their article.

 

[Engimal v3]

Hermann Raushning, Hitler Speaks (London: Thornton Butterworth, 1939), p 134.

Nom nom nom

I checked a copy of this and couldn't find the quote? Could be the text parsing hasn't worked correctly

Hitler Speaks : Rauschning Hermann : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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[Engimal v3]

Meanwhile, from the bloke's own book:

The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet

 

[.Shotties.]

I checked a copy of this and couldn't find the quote? Could be the text parsing hasn't worked correctly

Hitler Speaks : Rauschning Hermann : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Book Source: Digital Library of India Item 2015.505385dc.contributor.author: Rauschning Hermanndc.coverage.spatial: londondc.date.accessioned:...

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This book is full of great quotes around p. 134, though:
“But for the time being we may retain the doctrine that Bolshevism is our deadly enemy. We shall endeavour to go on from the point at which our armies in the last war left off when the armistice was signed. It is still our task to shatter for all time the menacing hordes of the pan-Slav empire.'' - Renowned Marxist Adolf Hitler

 

[spinynorman]

Guess which leader said this:

We are socialists. We are enemies of today’s capitalistic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions

Guess which ideology was banned the very day after the Nazis won the 1933 election and spent the subsequent twelve years resisting them facing enormous losses in the concentration camps, but thankfully crushed the fascist advance in 1943 and chased them back to Berlin and to Hitler's suicide? Whose uprising in 1919 was murderously oppressed by the capitalists who empowered what became the Nazis and sent Germany down the path it led to? The attempt to claim Hitler as a socialist is so unintellectual that it can't really be taken seriously.

But, to the original topic, it's funny that we talk about the atrocities committed by communist governments, and yet never consider the victims of capitalism. Millions dead across Korea, Indonesia, Vietnam, Iran, Brazil, Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Aghanistan and so many more, killed by the forces of capital in trying to stop the post-colonial nations from following their own autonomous paths in enriching themselves independently. How many killed in the propping up of tyrannical dictatorships in oil rich states in the Arab world? How many killed in sweatshop conditions that capital imposes on southern Asian nations? Of course we don't attribute these deaths to the ideology in the same way we do to those we defeated such as fascism and communism, nor the general course that we are on as a planet towards apocalyptic death and destruction through environmental degradation fueled by capital's pursuit of profit. Marx's view was that capitalism was an improvement on what had come before and a necessary system for global development, but he couldn't have foreseen its relentless and uncaring push to destroy the planet.

 

[LanceRomance]

This book is full of great quotes around p. 134, though:
“But for the time being we may retain the doctrine that Bolshevism is our deadly enemy. We shall endeavour to go on from the point at which our armies in the last war left off when the armistice was signed. It is still our task to shatter for all time the menacing hordes of the pan-Slav empire.'' - Renowned Marxist Adolf Hitler

Bolshevism is different from marxism

 

[LanceRomance]

Guess which ideology was banned the very day after the Nazis won the 1933 election and spent the subsequent twelve years resisting them facing enormous losses in the concentration camps, but thankfully crushed the fascist advance in 1943 and chased them back to Berlin and to Hitler's suicide? Whose uprising in 1919 was murderously oppressed by the capitalists who empowered what became the Nazis and sent Germany down the path it led to? The attempt to claim Hitler as a socialist is so unintellectual that it can't really be taken seriously.

But, to the original topic, it's funny that we talk about the atrocities committed by communist governments, and yet never consider the victims of capitalism. Millions dead across Korea, Indonesia, Vietnam, Iran, Brazil, Chile, Guatemala, Iran, Aghanistan and so many more, killed by the forces of capital in trying to stop the post-colonial nations from following their own autonomous paths in enriching themselves independently. How many killed in the propping up of tyrannical dictatorships in oil rich states in the Arab world? How many killed in sweatshop conditions that capital imposes on southern Asian nations? Of course we don't attribute these deaths to the ideology in the same way we do to those we defeated such as fascism and communism, nor the general course that we are on as a planet towards apocalyptic death and destruction through environmental degradation fueled by capital's pursuit of profit. Marx's view was that capitalism was an improvement on what had come before and a necessary system for global development, but he couldn't have foreseen its relentless and uncaring push to destroy the planet.

How many people from the aforementioned countries come here for communism?

None


Anyway...

“Not a single problem of the class struggle has ever been solved in history except by violence. When violence is exercised by the working people, by the mass of exploited against the exploiters—then we are for it!”

Lenin

 

[.Shotties.]

Bolshevism is different from marxism

Man, I'd love to hear the philosophical differences between the two illustrated by a guy who can't even fact-check a quote.

 

[Engimal v3]

Gotchya?

Don't trust snopes.

Sorry this didn't work out the way you wanted lol

 

[Engimal v3]

Man, I'd love to hear the philosophical differences between the two illustrated by a guy who can't even fact-check a quote.

I'm sure he'll find that quote soon, give the bloke a chance!

 

[owen87]

Imagine trying to non-ironically argue Hitler really WAS a socialist based off things he said in the 1920s and the nominal name of the political party that were directly contradicted by the things he actually did once in power.

 

[Carringbush2010]

One could argue that various elements of communism could exist in a free and fair society, I’m not sure the same could be argued for Nazism.

No society / community functions without elements of socialism / communism.

 

[LanceRomance]

I checked a copy of this and couldn't find the quote? Could be the text parsing hasn't worked correctly

Hitler Speaks : Rauschning Hermann : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Book Source: Digital Library of India Item 2015.505385dc.contributor.author: Rauschning Hermanndc.coverage.spatial: londondc.date.accessioned:...

archive.org

Apologies, posted the wrong link - you can find the quote here

Adolf Hitler, Public Speech, Munich, 1st May 1927. Quoted from John Toland, Adolf Hitler (New York/NY: Doubleday & Co., 1976), p 306.

https://archive.org/download/TolandJohnAdolfHitlerTheDefinitiveBiography/Toland, John - Adolf Hitler, The Definitive Biography.epub

Was on page 330 for me (I think it's the viewer)

.Shotties.

 

[Engimal v3]

Apologies, posted the wrong link - you can find the quote here

Adolf Hitler, Public Speech, Munich, 1st May 1927. Quoted from John Toland, Adolf Hitler (New York/NY: Doubleday & Co., 1976), p 306.

https://archive.org/download/TolandJohnAdolfHitlerTheDefinitiveBiography/Toland, John - Adolf Hitler, The Definitive Biography.epub

Was on page 330 for me (I think it's the viewer)

.Shotties.

Great, let's recap: The quote is supposedly from 1927 despite the quote being printed verbatim by one of Hitler's opponents the year prior. This book from 1976 is the only source of this quote being from Hitler, despite being published over 30+ years after his death.

So your main argument that Hitler was a Marxist is a misattributed quote that you've changed the source on twice, while being presented direct writings from Hitler shitting on Marxism. You're a dill lol

 

[LanceRomance]

Great, let's recap: The quote is supposedly from 1927 despite the quote being printed verbatim by one of Hitler's opponents the year prior. This book from 1976 is the only source of this quote being from Hitler, despite being published over 30+ years after his death.

So your main argument that Hitler was a Marxist is a misattributed quote that you've changed the source on twice, while being presented direct writings from Hitler shitting on Marxism. You're a dill lol

Hitler said that in a speech in 1927, did you read the quote from the book?

The other link I posted was a genuine mistake. Sorry to break that to you.

 

[LanceRomance]

That incorrect source related to this quote (from 1941)

I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit … The difference between [Marxists] and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it. Look at the workers’ sports clubs, the industrial cells, the mass demonstrations, the propaganda leaflets written specially for the comprehension of the masses: all these new methods of political struggle are essentially Marxist in origin. All I had to do is take over these methods and adapt them to our purpose.[

Hermann Raushning, Hitler Speaks (London: Thornton Butterworth, 1939), p 134.

 

[Engimal v3]

Hitler said that in a speech in 1927, did you read the quote from the book?

I read the quote, yes. John Toland claims Hitler said that in a speech in 1927, and everyone else who misattributes this quote is referencing Toland. What Toland didn't realise is that there's hard evidence that Hitler's political opponent published this exact quote in 1926. And what you haven't realised is that 1926 is a year prior to 1927.

 

[LanceRomance]

I read the quote, yes. John Toland claims Hitler said that in a speech in 1927, and everyone else who misattributes this quote is referencing Toland. What Toland didn't realise is that there's hard evidence that Hitler's political opponent published this exact quote in 1926. And what you haven't realised is that 1926 is a year prior to 1927.

So what you are saying because someone said it 1926 it means Hitler couldn't have said it in 1927?

 

[Engimal v3]

So what you are saying because someone said it 1926 it means Hitler couldn't have said it in 1927?

I'm saying that you lack the critical thinking skills to deduce that a quote that:

1. Was verbatim written by his political opponent in the past
2. Goes against hundred of other anti-Marxist writings Hitler had written
3. Has a single source that was published 30 years after Hitler had died

is a misattributed quote

 

[ferball]

No, it's the marxism and Nazism are pretty similar.

How?

 

[LanceRomance]

I'm saying that you lack the critical thinking skills to deduce that a quote that:

1. Was verbatim written by his political opponent in the past
2. Goes against hundred of other anti-Marxist writings Hitler had written
3. Has a single source that was published 30 years after Hitler had died

is a misattributed quote

So, let's put aside our disagreement on that quote

What about the other one I posted?

 

[Engimal v3]

So, let's put aside our disagreement on that quote

What about the other one I posted?

"Let's skip over those 5 arguments I was just proved wrong on comprehensively - address only my 6th argument please"

If you're going to concede - do it with a bit of courage. I don't have to address any points you put forward, because you refuse to do it for anyone else. Instead I'm pretty sure you go to a local library, spin around in a circle, grab a book off the shelf, flip to a random page and cite it.

 

[LanceRomance]

"Let's skip over those 5 arguments I was just proved wrong on comprehensively - address only my 6th argument please"

If you're going to concede - do it with a bit of courage. I don't have to address any points you put forward, because you refuse to do it for anyone else. Instead I'm pretty sure you go to a local library, spin around in a circle, grab a book off the shelf, flip to a random page and cite it.

How Was I proved wrong comprehensively? I referenced a well regarded book with a quote. You disagreed with it. I accept we won't see eye to eye on that one so I moved on to the next.


I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit … The difference between [Marxists] and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it. Look at the workers’ sports clubs, the industrial cells, the mass demonstrations, the propaganda leaflets written specially for the comprehension of the masses: all these new methods of political struggle are essentially Marxist in origin. All I had to do is take over these methods and adapt them to our purpose.[

Hermann Raushning, Hitler Speaks (London: Thornton Butterworth, 1939), p 134.