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  1. frankrizzo

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    He has a great record in Australia though so surely that is the most important thing?

    Considering s marsh is one of the slowest scorers we have produced in this era and possibly the worst starter currently in the game it just seems silly to label another batsmans tempo as a major issue.

    The most important word is that other one you used inconsistent, it's not how fast they score its the reality that we have just one world class batsman in the side you can't cover for lack of quality no matter the approach our number three takes to his innings.
     
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    The three batsmen who often followed were Smith and the marsh boys though, Smith averages 60 and seems oblivious to his partners scoring rates , s marsh is just a slow scoring batsman but he rarely let's that get to him and mitch marsh has just struggled no matter his approach or the approach of his partners.

    You talk about actually watching the games well I do and this notion that Khawaja is dead batting it while his partners take excessive risks to make up for his approach just doesn't ring true.
     
  3. The Speaker

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    Being a 'slogger' is not necessarily correlated with scoring rate. It's actually about technique; for example, someone who only tries to hoick the ball over cow corner is a slogger.
     
  4. PhatBoy

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    43.8 is essentially 44.

    If you don’t classify 44 as mid 40s, you don’t follow cricket.
     
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    I don't rate Usman as being much of a test batsman. He's done well for someone that's on his 3rd chance and is only slightly better than Watson
     
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    Only slightly better than Watson? He is a far, far better player than Shane Watson.
     
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    The issue is we lose a 2 or 3 wickets in quick succession and these 'sloggers' don't have the brains to knuckle down and see off a few overs before resuming their normal style. Slogging is good and all when things are going your way but these knuckleheads are not capable of grinding out a few runs when the team needs them to.
     
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    Going by his test batting (and only 2 tests) Finch isn't a slogger so far. Been very circumspect with his batting - however this series hasn't begun
     
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    Not according to his overseas record
     
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    He's a T20 hero that got a shot as the ODI captain. Like Warner, his "slogging" hasn't transferred to test cricket. He really needs more time in SS to develop his technique.

    Watch for him to get caught at 3rd/4th slip slicing at a wide one.
     
  11. Doss

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    So home record counts for nothing?
     

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    I didn't want finch in but he has only played two tests and he batted sensibly in both games, he at least deserves this series to show how he will approach test cricket before he is labelled a dumb slogger.
     
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    ok he was a terrible LBW candidate even worse at using referrals but Watson is criminally underrated on this board in general.

    Khawaja looked a lot better in the UAE and hopefully he's turned the corner but overall most of his runs have still been scored at home hammering mediocre opposition.
     
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    Doesn't count for nothing, but in Khawaja's case it is a bit of a tale of two averages given the almost historic gap. He did impress me in the UAE though.
     
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    Rofl. Both their away records are shit, watson’s being barely better than Khawaja’s..... only Khawaja averages 20 more at home.
     
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    He’s had two tests to transfer it to tests, and he’s averaged 45 at a strike rate of 45


    F*** my mouth do some f***ing research.
     
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    Both are bunnies to different things. Watto was shithouse against the straight ball on a full length, stepping across the stumps as he did. Ussie's got a critical flaw in his technique early in his innings where it doesn't matter where the spinner pitches the thing, he plays back to it. You can do that in Australia - sometimes. You can't in Melbourne - but you can't anywhere else.

    Usman's a better bat than Watto was, but the 8-10 runs difference is because Watto was equally weak to his at every point of his innings, from start to finish, where Usman's gets better the longer he's out there.
     
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    Here here!

    No, thank you.
     
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    The mouth part, or the research part?
     
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    Today's brain-melt v Ashwin probably a pretty good example.
     
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    It's not surprising and certainly isn't out of the norm. He's just not very good, a distinctly average batsman that already peaked.
     
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    The Indians are bowling to him with a solid plan, he’s back to looking like Usman Koala at the moment sadly.
     
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    The premise of this thread gets more and more invalidated with every occasion that Australia manages to either put themselves behind the eight ball or squander positions of advantage with brain dead slashes to deep backward point or toed pull shots.
     
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    That's always been his weakness, his inability to make small tweaks. Indians had a plan to Smith, it was a good one, he changed his stance and position and plundered runs. Warner, meh against the saffas.

    When you bowl crap to a decent batsman, more often than not they'll make you pay, even the technically flawed ones. It's like he needs to take a half step further across the pitch and open his shoulders slightly.

    He has always been a poor batter with an abysmal international record. He did ok in the UAE, but selectors didn't trust him in India, despite scoring runs for fun in Australia.
     
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