Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

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The typical trash lefty meltdown reply. Just like you get on twitter from left leaning idiots after owning them. LOL.
It's called parody. I understand that you don't understand. I also understand that you think the internet is there to be 'won', but the reality is that every time intelligent people ignore/block you, you lose. It's a sad irony mate, you think you're winning but you couldn't be more wrong, which is consistent with nearly everything you post (and presumably tweet). I could point you at many examples of people who hold differing views to mine but provide facts and references that challenge my thinking so I continue to read them and consider their views but you're not the 'learning' kind.

So carry on with doing what you do so poorly, and feel free to have the last word and claim the victory. I won't see it. I am putting you on ignore. I know that I won't be missing anything.
 

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gillian triggs calling for release of children in detention, but then does a profile piece of her life stating how she had a severely handicapped child which she couldn't raise herself and had another couple do so on her behalf, not a good look at all
 

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gillian triggs calling for release of children in detention, but then does a profile piece of her life stating how she had a severely handicapped child which she couldn't raise herself and had another couple do so on her behalf, not a good look at all
Good girl Gill got ghastly exp[osed when she made comments on 'prisons' being the correct term for Detention Centres then alsoagain with what staff carried. Really contradictory.
 

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gillian triggs calling for release of children in detention, but then does a profile piece of her life stating how she had a severely handicapped child which she couldn't raise herself and had another couple do so on her behalf, not a good look at all
Perhaps because of her personal experiences she now cares for children so much? Ever thought of that or is it easier to promote the negative?
 

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Perhaps because of her personal experiences she now cares for children so much? Ever thought of that or is it easier to promote the negative?
You can never run away from your past Gillian Triggs has to live with it, to me i don't want to hear or see gillian triggs no matter what you don't hand off a child who was handicapped to others to raise whilst keeping the other two. If you can find excuse's for her then we must have a totally different moral value system.
 

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You can never run away from your past Gillian Triggs has to live with it, to me i don't want to hear or see gillian triggs no matter what you don't hand off a child who was handicapped to others to raise whilst keeping the other two. If you can find excuse's for her then we must have a totally different moral value system.
No, I have a more open mind than you do.
By opening up about her past is not running away.
Great that you have such concerns about one child yet ignore the plight of children in detention though.
 

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No, I have a more open mind than you do.
By opening up about her past is not running away.
Great that you have such concerns about one child yet ignore the plight of children in detention though.
Can't you at least admit Gillian Triggs was a terrible mother to her handicapped child, at least to do that , and that she has no ground to point the finger at the way other children are looked after. Its not much to ask from you, stop making excuses all the time.
 

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Can't you at least admit Gillian Triggs was a terrible mother to her handicapped child, at least to do that , and that she has no ground to point the finger at the way other children are looked after. Its not much to ask from you, stop making excuses all the time.
I don't judge people like you without knowing the full background.
You seem obsessed with Triggs, yet have no comment on the long term emotional damage on children in detention.
Triggs is not in charge of children in detention, she will have to live with her own conscience.
 

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I don't judge people like you without knowing the full background.
You seem obsessed with Triggs, yet have no comment on the long term emotional damage on children in detention.
Triggs is not in charge of children in detention, she will have to live with her own conscience.
Human Rights Commissioner. Therefore the role of controlling detention facilities is irrelevant.
 

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Can't you at least admit Gillian Triggs was a terrible mother to her handicapped child, at least to do that , and that she has no ground to point the finger at the way other children are looked after. Its not much to ask from you, stop making excuses all the time.
Please tell me, what does one have to do with the other? This is a nasty piece of ad hominem nonsense. A persons role as a mother has exactly zero to do with her role in the workforce for the Human Rights Commission.

If we provided a list of people who were outstanding in their fields of business, sports, science, arts and service but lousy parents, we'd be here for the next couple of years.
 

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Please tell me, what does one have to do with the other? This is a nasty piece of ad hominem nonsense. A persons role as a mother has exactly zero to do with her role in the workforce for the Human Rights Commission.

If we provided a list of people who were outstanding in their fields of business, sports, science, arts and service but lousy parents, we'd be here for the next couple of years.
It has a quite a bit to do with it, it goes to show the character of the lady and hypocrisy she shows when preaching about children's rights. And to have a go about nasty piece after all the vitriol shown towards abbott, then you have to be joking
 
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It has a quite a bit to do with it, it goes to show the character of the lady and hypocrisy she shows when preaching about children's rights. And to have a go about nasty piece after all the vitriol shown towards abbott, then you have to be joking
Are you still on about her? What about the main issue of children in detention and all the reports from respected medical experts?
I notice not one word about them.
 

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It has a quite a bit to do with it, it goes to show the character of the lady and hypocrisy she shows when preaching about children's rights. And to have a go about nasty piece after all the vitriol shown towards abbott, then you have to be joking
Do you get that her job is to expose Human Rights abuse? She's not just walked in off the street to tell everyone what a disgraceful thing is happening to children in detention. The fact that we are mentally scarring children with our policies is in no way diminished by the source. It's still true, no matter how you try and spin it louis.

Oh and for the record, Gillian Triggs is not an elected official, Tony Abbott is. You might want to work on your everyman chat banter because no middle Australian I've met has defended their position with - people have been too mean to the politicians. It just makes you look like a party stooge.
 

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I think you are implying i am a liberal stooge planted on the forum, far from it i just hate the hypocrisy that gets shown, with all the terrible things that have been said about Morrison,Abbott Brandis etc but when i try to show the background of a paid and very partisan person as ms triggs i get pulled up as though i am somehow in the wrong.
 

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Classic exercise in self flagellatation Loui. Thanks to Labor we already have at least 50,000 welfare seekers in the country with no means of identifying them and your arguing with people who absolutely think thats good, want more. What basis for rational discussion can you possibly have, if thats their starting point?
 
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I think you are implying i am a liberal stooge planted on the forum, far from it i just hate the hypocrisy that gets shown, with all the terrible things that have been said about Morrison,Abbott Brandis etc but when i try to show the background of a paid and very partisan person as ms triggs i get pulled up as though i am somehow in the wrong.
It's because you are wrong. She's partisan in the sense that her paid role is to be be a human rights watchdog. Hence, the Human Rights Commission, not the Who Is The Best Government Commission. This is why Labor got a clip for the Malaysia Solution and now this government is under pressure for it's ghastly attempts to punish refugees back to where they came from. It's very simple if you don't want to be pulled up for human rights abuses, don't abuse the very human rights you claimed both pre and post election to be the party of.

Whilst we're on hypocrisy, here is our man of the moment George Brandis on human rights before the election.

My approach to the human rights debate starts with the proposition that human rights and individual rights are synonymous. No debate about human rights makes any sense unless we first recognize that rights are moral claims inhering in individual men and women (and, in certain circumstances, in corporations as well). I represent the only political party in the Australian Parliament which was brought into being for the very purpose of advancing and protecting the rights of the individual.
(W)e will ensure that the Australian Human Rights Commission is observant of its statutory mandate to uphold all human rights, not merely some. We will remove from the Racial Discrimination Act the provisions under which the broadcaster Andrew Bolt was successfully prosecuted merely because he expressed a controversial opinion. And we will review the Commonwealth statutes to identify – and we will then, where appropriate repeal – those numerous instances were traditional procedural rights, such as the presumption of innocence, the privilege against self-incrimination, and legal professional privilege, have been attenuated or abrogated entirely.
A Coalition Government will put the real human rights debate – the rights to freedom of expression, freedom of the press, the traditional rights of the individual in defending himself against the power of the State – front and centre before the Australian people. No longer will the most precious human right of all – the freedom of the individual – be devalued.
http://hrlc.org.au/reclaiming-human-rights-from-the-fury-of-ideologues/

If you're wondering why so many people are united in their disgust at this government then hypocrisy, as you say, is a very good place to start. Not only have they ratcheted up the awful inhumane policies of previous governments, they've also gone about limiting our freedoms in every other department too. There's barely a single demographic of Australia they haven't lied to yet, including their own base the IPA libertarians. By even his own conception of human rights George Brandis is incompetent or a liar.

Contempt for the policies of lying politicians and the smearing of a woman doing her job in pointing out the truth are NOT THE SAME THING and you should be ashamed.
 

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It's because you are wrong. She's partisan in the sense that her paid role is to be be a human rights watchdog. Hence, the Human Rights Commission, not the Who Is The Best Government Commission. This is why Labor got a clip for the Malaysia Solution and now this government is under pressure for it's ghastly attempts to punish refugees back to where they came from. It's very simple if you don't want to be pulled up for human rights abuses, don't abuse the very human rights you claimed both pre and post election to be the party of.

Whilst we're on hypocrisy, here is our man of the moment George Brandis on human rights before the election.




http://hrlc.org.au/reclaiming-human-rights-from-the-fury-of-ideologues/

If you're wondering why so many people are united in their disgust at this government then hypocrisy, as you say, is a very good place to start. Not only have they ratcheted up the awful inhumane policies of previous governments, they've also gone about limiting our freedoms in every other department too. There's barely a single demographic of Australia they haven't lied to yet, including their own base the IPA libertarians. By even his own conception of human rights George Brandis is incompetent or a liar.

Contempt for the policies of lying politicians and the smearing of a woman doing her job in pointing out the truth are NOT THE SAME THING and you should be ashamed.
smearing of a woman , what by repeating facts from her profile piece she did in the newspaper give it a break
Oh the terrible irony. Lou's literally pointing out her own human treatment and the lefties and people who will be against the asylum seekers actions taken by this ogvernment complain when people point out her criticisms which are ironic and also (not relating so much to this post) her inability in relaying accurate information and valid criticism. Yet somehow it is the government supporter's fault and the government for smearing this woman's comments and her apparently even when they totally have every right to do so.
 

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smearing of a woman , what by repeating facts from her profile piece she did in the newspaper give it a break
Conflating two separate pieces of information to justify disregarding one. ^^ As Maggie above.

Glad that you dealt with the real core of my post though. Not defending politicians anymore?
 

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Oh the terrible irony. Lou's literally pointing out her own human treatment and the lefties and people who will be against the asylum seekers actions taken by this ogvernment complain when people point out her criticisms which are ironic and also (not relating so much to this post) her inability in relaying accurate information and valid criticism. Yet somehow it is the government supporter's fault and the government for smearing this woman's comments and her apparently even when they totally have every right to do so.
Look you don't seem to understand an ad hominem fallacy. You appear immune to any reasonable suggestions from any of us so go and ask someone of your own stripe what it means or even google it and get back to me.

I'll start you off.
Argument 1) Gillian Trigg of the Human Rights Commission points out the government is mistreating asylum seekers and that children in detention have high incidences of mental health issues as a result of detention and our policies.
Argument 2) Gillian Trigg before her time in the Human Rights Commission may have been irresponsible in giving away a very ******ed child more than twenty years ago.

The two are separate. You are more than welcome to criticize the woman for her parenting, but it has zero relevance to asylum seeker policy.
 

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Look you don't seem to understand an ad hominem fallacy. You appear immune to any reasonable suggestions from any of us so go and ask someone of your own stripe what it means or even google it and get back to me.

I'll start you off.
Argument 1) Gillian Trigg of the Human Rights Commission points out the government is mistreating asylum seekers and children in detention and have high incidences of mental health issues as a result of detention and our policies.
Argument 2) Gillian Trigg before her time in the Human Rights Commission may have been irresponsible in giving away a very ******ed child more than twenty years ago.

The two are separate. You are more than welcome to criticize the woman for her parenting, but it has zero relevance to asylum seeker policy.
A. Ironically I find that it is the same people who condemn people's past being correctly criticised/put forward for debate are the same that want to then put the government members views from the past forward for the same reasons. Look at the Greens with Hockey for example.

B. Trigg should make verified and correct assertions and comments about the actions on refufgees if she doesn't want criticism.

As for your first statement maybe take a look in a mirror some stage.
 

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A. Ironically I find that it is the same people who condemn people's past being correctly criticised/put forward for debate are the same that want to then put the government members views from the past forward for the same reasons. Look at the Greens with Hockey for example.

B. Trigg should make verified and correct assertions and comments about the actions on refufgees if she doesn't want criticism.

As for your first statement maybe take a look in a mirror some stage.
I know you are but what am I?

If you're referring to the fact that Joe Hockey once supported, not only cheap higher education but free higher education then I'm struggling to see how that doesn't play a role in an argument regarding fee increases for higher education.

Argument 1) Joe Hockey as a young man promoted free education for students. In his own words in 1987:
The Liberal Party, which released its education policy two weeks ago, promised to cut back funds to universities and, at the same time, leave the universities to charge whatever fee they wished...Such a policy is suicidal for student welfare. We will have no effective voice in our own fortune.
Argument 2) Joe Hockey as Treasurer in 2014 decides to cut funding to universities and deregulate university fees as a budget measure.

See the difference? They are related. I'd even say the same argument. Treasurer Hockey is welcome to defend himself as he has, but his past thoughts on the matter, something he was willing to organise, rally and write about, have a part to play for the electorate to make a decision on whether this is a good policy.
 

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I know you are but what am I?

If you're referring to the fact that Joe Hockey once supported, not only cheap higher education but free higher education then I'm struggling to see how that doesn't play a role in an argument regarding fee increases for higher education.

Argument 1) Joe Hockey as a young man promoted free education for students. In his own words in 1987:

Argument 2) Joe Hockey as Treasurer in 2014 decides to cut funding to universities and deregulate university fees as a budget measure.

See the difference? They are related. I'd even say the same argument. Treasurer Hockey is welcome to defend himself as he has, but his past thoughts on the matter, something he was willing to organise, rally and write about, have a part to play for the electorate to make a decision on whether this is a good policy.
Triggs actions both a. Falsely making claims about the govt actions and b. Her own issues in relation to human rights are directly relevant here. If you can't see this then you're deluded.
 
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