Stop the boats. 5k a head. (cont. in Part 2)

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So let me get this straight if the Iranians AS are all economic migrants then what are those that have not failed the processing.
If they pass the processing then they qualify as genuine refugees. Personally I don't believe a word of the cashed up queue jumpers who have flown into Indonesia and then caught a boat after destroying their passports but that's the way the system goes.
It also demonstrates how the only sensible policy is to stop people smuggler boats getting here at all via turning boats back among other coalition policies.
 

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If they pass the processing then they qualify as genuine refugees. Personally I don't believe a word of the cashed up queue jumpers who have flown into Indonesia and then caught a boat after destroying their passports but that's the way the system goes.
It also demonstrates how the only sensible policy is to stop people smuggler boats getting here at all via turning boats back among other coalition policies.
The ALP/Greens policy was a disaster as it meant i) we had no control over the numbers of people arriving ii) when they destroyed their passports we didn't know who they were iii) the immigration department did not have the resources to properly assess the claims and iv) economic migrants were taking the place genuine refugees.

People who wish to come to Australia will always work the system. The current scam is to enter Aus on a student visa which once you are qualified gives you permanent residency and later citizenship. Plenty of examples where these people never or rarely attend their course and graduate. Not as easy for the media to frame so it won't get much attention.
 

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There is no "queue", let's be very clear. You're talking utter rubbish.
That's not what Paris Aristotle, Angus Houston said - that's why they recommended the no disadvantage test and that's why Aristotle has been working so closely with both governments to rectify the injustices done to impoverished UN refugees in UN camps waiting their chance in the queue.
Doesn't matter what greencreeps whinge about - as long as there's a coalition government the party's well and truly over for the cashed up jetting setting passport destroying queue jumpers.
 
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People don't care. These are the same folk who will be shocked when, inshallah, people are brought to account for these policies, that such savagery could happen in our name.
 

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Just regarding these so called economomic migrants, if you are so desperate enough that you gather all the money you have to pay a people smuggler, knowingly risk your life and your family just so you may have a better future, can anyone tell me what is wrong with that?
Imagine that circumstances are so bad that the only option is starve, be victimised, or incarcerated what would you do?
 

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Just regarding these so called economomic migrants, if you are so desperate enough that you gather all the money you have to pay a people smuggler, knowingly risk your life and your family just so you may have a better future, can anyone tell me what is wrong with that?
Imagine that circumstances are so bad that the only option is starve, be victimised, or incarcerated what would you do?
But that's the thing Maggie, the iranian who got killed on Manus was not fleeing persecution, he was looking to work as an architech, he could have gone to europe or asia but instead tried to come here via a boat with no papers.
 

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But that's the thing Maggie, the iranian who got killed on Manus was not fleeing persecution, he was looking to work as an architech, he could have gone to europe or asia but instead tried to come here via a boat with no papers.
No sure about the no papers thing, agree that some may have done that but not all surely. Besides, they soon found out who he was.
Still if I was desperate for a better life, I would try anything. If I had to choose between the countries you mention or Australia, I know which one I would have chosen at that time, not so sure now though.
 
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If they pass the processing then they qualify as genuine refugees. Personally I don't believe a word of the cashed up queue jumpers who have flown into Indonesia and then caught a boat after destroying their passports but that's the way the system goes.
Imagine if your bias was shared by just a single member of the kangaroo court bureaucrats that hold the power to decide who is or is not a refugee.
 

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Imagine if your bias was shared by just a single member of the kangaroo court bureaucrats that hold the power to decide who is or is not a refugee.
The very best aspect of the success of coalition policy is that, once more, genuine, impoverished UN processed refugees are being given places in Australia's humanitarian quota - reversing four years of ALL these places going to illegal arrivals invited here by Labor government.

Paris Aristotle worked very hard to get this result, Malifice, and your cognitive dissonance does not serve you well..
If my bias is towards impoverished refugees waiting and hoping in UN camps and yours is towards cashed up, passport destroying, jet setting queue jumpers facilitated and enabled by the Labor and Greens to elbow the dispossessed out of the way - nothing more can be said.
 

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Your bias is to ensure brown people don't end up here. You do a better job than some of hiding your bigotry, but in the end you're just a better written version of the average, gutter residing "reclaim Australia" marcher, shit scared of something you either don't understand, or don't want to know
about.
 

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As I've already posted in the amnesty international opinion piece several pages ago, they argue that of the 4 million displaced syrian citizens, only 5 percent are those that have the means to travel to Europe/western countries to seek asylum while 95 percent are stuck in neighbouring countries elking out a harsh existence.

The question you should be asking yourselves is.....why are western countries giving so much attention to such a small minority of people and forgetting about the majority who don't have the means to garner our sympathy?

The UN recently announced that the number of displaced people in the world has reached 60 million....a rise of nearly 10 million in a short period of time.

Its easy to say in the comfort behind your keyboard that you want to help people but at the end of the day when the government budgets say a million dollars to help 20 refugees and 60 rock up instead through irregular means....

the reality is that instead of increasing it to 3 million dollars, governments dillutes support and english lessons for 10 weeks becomes 4 weeks etc. Both Labor and Liberal administrations are certainly guilty of this.

That is why it is essential that if we are to take in refugees, it should be entirely through our humanitarian intake. Long term integration into our society requires strategic planning and adequate funding. This is impossible if the government plans for 10 thousand refugees and 20 thousand boat people arrives as happened during Labor.
 
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The very best aspect of the success of coalition policy is that, once more, genuine, impoverished UN processed refugees are being given places in Australia's humanitarian quota - reversing four years of ALL these places going to illegal arrivals invited here by Labor government.

Paris Aristotle worked very hard to get this result, Malifice, and your cognitive dissonance does not serve you well..
If my bias is towards impoverished refugees waiting and hoping in UN camps and yours is towards cashed up, passport destroying, jet setting queue jumpers facilitated and enabled by the Labor and Greens to elbow the dispossessed out of the way - nothing more can be said.
Spare me the crocodile tears mate.

I think we both agree that economic migrants need to be controlled however. But that being the case, why do I never see you rail on about Visa overstayers who fly in from Europe?

I can't help but get the feeling it's the ethnicity of the boat arrivals that gets your goat, not the differing means by which they get here opposed to those that fly in.
 

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Spare me the crocodile tears mate.

I think we both agree that economic migrants need to be controlled however. But that being the case, why do I never see you rail on about Visa overstayers who fly in from Europe?

I can't help but get the feeling it's the ethnicity of the boat arrivals that gets your goat, not the differing means by which they get here opposed to those that fly in.
Overstayers give me the shits, but you arent comparing apples with apples here. Euro overstayers tend to blend into the background, arent overrepresented in crime stats, most have jobs and pay taxes and dont cost the country on average $400,000 each.
 

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Overstayers give me the shits, but you arent comparing apples with apples here. Euro overstayers tend to blend into the background, arent overrepresented in crime stats, most have jobs and pay taxes and dont cost the country on average $400,000 each.
Don't care
Deport them as soon as they are caught
 
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Overstayers give me the shits, but you arent comparing apples with apples here. Euro overstayers tend to blend into the background, arent overrepresented in crime stats, most have jobs and pay taxes and dont cost the country on average $400,000 each.
What? How can a visa over-stayer pay taxes? And the only reason it costs $400 k a pop for boat arrivals is because they're in mandatory detention. Europeans in mandatory detention would cost the same damn amount.

And explain what you mean by 'blend into the background'
 

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As usual you folks are conflating two different issues.

Visa overstayers (ie: illegal immigrants, not those who just made a mistake with their scheduling) aren't looking to become legal citizens. They have no rights to health care, social housing or other government assistance. They're part of the shadow economy and largely don't affect tax payers besides being exploited for low wages.

The majority of refugees require years of government assistance to integrate into society and that means that level headed thinking must be used with regards to the issue.
 
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