Stopping the Tigers 2020

[Obeanie1]

Rich are not as far ahead of everyone as people seem to be making out. Yeah they smashed GWS in the GF - but could see that result coming a mile away given GWS's lead in and their long injury list. How so called experts thought GWS were going to get within about 8 goals, let alone some who thought they might even win, was nothing short of staggering. But you only have to look at weeks 1 and 3 of finals - rich were absolutely dominated in the 1st half of both games by their opponents, but those opponents wasted the multiple chances they were provided to put serious scoreboard pressure on especially the lions in week 1. Yes rich were good enough to turn the tide in the 2nd half of each game, but that doesn't change the fact they were completely out played in the 1st half of both of those finals and were very fortunate to be as close as they were. Going to be perhaps the tightest season in memory, and htere is not that much between rich and probably 5 other sides at the top end

Dusty gets a corky and they fall back to the pack pretty quickly.

People say Richmond's success is based on system and role players but take out one or two of their top liners they become as vulnerable as any other top six side.

Collingwood proved that in 2018.

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Dusty gets a corky and they fall back to the pack pretty quickly.

People say Richmond's success is based on system and role players but take out one or two of their top liners they become as vulnerable as any other top six side.

Collingwood proved that in 2018.

Like Rance?


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[Rich01]

Dusty gets a corky and they fall back to the pack pretty quickly.

People say Richmond's success is based on system and role players but take out one or two of their top liners they become as vulnerable as any other top six side.

Collingwood proved that in 2018.

Collingwood were significantly better that night for a few reasons, but they must be given credit as well.

Richmond played several players including Dusty that probably shouldn’t have played. Just like GWS did in the GF this year. Both clubs learnt a pretty valuable lesson at the pointy end of the season.

 

[Partridge]

Collingwood were significantly better that night for a few reasons, but they must be given credit as well.

Richmond played several players including Dusty that probably shouldn’t have played. Just like GWS did in the GF this year. Both clubs learnt a pretty valuable lesson at the pointy end of the season.

For whatever reason, footy clubs just cannot learn that lesson. It only takes one half injured player to perform in a final for clubs to try it and fail the next 100 times.

There's no doubt to me Martin wasn't right in the 2018 Prelim (and neither was Astbury). But once you take the field you have to be judged like everyone else. It seems to take bad losses to temporarily hammer the message of injured players home. Over and over again.

 

[Rich01]

For whatever reason, footy clubs just cannot learn that lesson. It only takes one half injured player to perform in a final for clubs to try it and fail the next 100 times.

There's no doubt to me Martin wasn't right in the 2018 Prelim (and neither was Astbury). But once you take the field you have to be judged like everyone else. It seems to take bad losses to temporarily hammer the message of injured players home. Over and over again.

Yep. Whitfield and Davis in the GF as well. Judge them as fit, but they got monstered by their respective opponents because they weren’t.

Carrying those guys killed them.

 

[Forward Press]

Yep. Whitfield and Davis in the GF as well. Judge them as fit, but they got monstered by their respective opponents because they weren’t.

Carrying those guys killed them.

McGovern wasn't fully fit leading up to the 2018 GF - was carrying broken ribs and was even hospitalised just before the GF parade.

In the end it's a calculated risk. Didn't pay off with Martin in the 2018 PF, didn't pay off with Whitfield in the 2019 GF, paid off with McGovern and others.

 

[Greggy]

Rich are not as far ahead of everyone as people seem to be making out. Yeah they smashed GWS in the GF - but could see that result coming a mile away given GWS's lead in and their long injury list. How so called experts thought GWS were going to get within about 8 goals, let alone some who thought they might even win, was nothing short of staggering. But you only have to look at weeks 1 and 3 of finals - rich were absolutely dominated in the 1st half of both games by their opponents, but those opponents wasted the multiple chances they were provided to put serious scoreboard pressure on especially the lions in week 1. Yes rich were good enough to turn the tide in the 2nd half of each game, but that doesn't change the fact they were completely out played in the 1st half of both of those finals and were very fortunate to be as close as they were. Going to be perhaps the tightest season in memory, and htere is not that much between rich and probably 5 other sides at the top end

We came out on fire against Geelong, was only Kelly that kept them in it midway through the first, we were wasteful going forward and missed our own easy opportunities in the second. Then kicked 8 goals to 2 in the second half, remember this was in a prelim against arguably the best home and away team. How anyone can look at the Brisbane match and see anything more than a shellacking is beyond me.

 

[Wallaby]

To win a flag, you need a good run with injuries - not so much for the stars, but more for the key role players who define your structure. Richmond were pretty crap last year at times - first when Rance went down, and then when Riewolt went down. Grimes had to change his role significantly and learn how to play the 'Rance' position (as it fits in Richmond's gameplan), but even then, we had to wait until Jack came back before we really clicked. Jack played the 1st game of the season (we won), 2nd game (broke wrist in 1st quarter - lost), 6th game (won, but did knee). Then he came back in Rd 17, and we didn't lose a match for the rest of the season.
With Jack we were 12-1 (including finals). Without Jack 7-6.

 

[tiger_tough]

Dusty gets a corky and they fall back to the pack pretty quickly.

People say Richmond's success is based on system and role players but take out one or two of their top liners they become as vulnerable as any other top six side.

Collingwood proved that in 2018.

Like Alex Rance? Who had been described by many as our most important player.

I think we're better placed to cover for Dusty now that he spends more time forward.

 

[Martin#4]

Dusty gets a corky and they fall back to the pack pretty quickly.

People say Richmond's success is based on system and role players but take out one or two of their top liners they become as vulnerable as any other top six side.

Collingwood proved that in 2018.

Lol like Alex Rance missing the entire year? And Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin and Toby Nankervis for more than half the season each?

BuT whAT iF DusTY GetS a CoRKY?

Amirite?

 

[Wacky Tiger]

Lol like Alex Rance missing the entire year? And Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin and Toby Nankervis for more than half the season each?

BuT whAT iF DusTY GetS a CoRKY?

Amirite?

So take out anyones Number 1 Ruckman, Number 1 Forward, Number 1 Defender and Captain for 3 plus months and see how they would fare

 

[Soberian Tiger]

To win a flag, you need a good run with injuries - not so much for the stars, but more for the key role players who define your structure. Richmond were pretty crap last year at times - first when Rance went down, and then when Riewolt went down. Grimes had to change his role significantly and learn how to play the 'Rance' position (as it fits in Richmond's gameplan), but even then, we had to wait until Jack came back before we really clicked. Jack played the 1st game of the season (we won), 2nd game (broke wrist in 1st quarter - lost), 6th game (won, but did knee). Then he came back in Rd 17, and we didn't lose a match for the rest of the season.
With Jack we were 12-1 (including finals). Without Jack 7-6.

Good statistics, but there were only 25 games, not 26 (12+1+7+6).

I'm not sure there was a loss where Jack played the full game.

 

[Obeanie1]

Lol like Alex Rance missing the entire year? And Jack Riewoldt, Trent Cotchin and Toby Nankervis for more than half the season each?

BuT whAT iF DusTY GetS a CoRKY?

Amirite?

Who replaced the role of Rance?

Who can replace Dusty?

How did Richmond go in the first part of the year with a few out? Did they remain their dominant best? Nope.

So as I said lose one or two top liners Richmond slide back to the pack

The same applies to most club's.

 

[Obeanie1]

For whatever reason, footy clubs just cannot learn that lesson. It only takes one half injured player to perform in a final for clubs to try it and fail the next 100 times.

There's no doubt to me Martin wasn't right in the 2018 Prelim (and neither was Astbury). But once you take the field you have to be judged like everyone else. It seems to take bad losses to temporarily hammer the message of injured players home. Over and over again.

Phil Davis in last year's GF another example.

A shadow of the player he was earlier when fully fit.

People don't get that at this level if a team or a player is off their best by 5% they get found out and quickly.

 

[Lsta062]

Dusty gets a corky and they fall back to the pack pretty quickly.

People say Richmond's success is based on system and role players but take out one or two of their top liners they become as vulnerable as any other top six side.

Collingwood proved that in 2018.

Riewoldt, Nankervis, Rance and Cotchin spent quite a bit of time away from the side (the first three more than Cotchin). We still finished top 4.

That point of view might have been relevant in 2018, but Richmond dispelled that theory in 2019.

 

[Obeanie1]

Riewoldt, Nankervis, Rance and Cotchin spent quite a bit of time away from the side (the first three more than Cotchin). We still finished top 4.

That point of view might have been relevant in 2018, but Richmond dispelled that theory in 2019.

How many top liners were missing in September?

One? Rance. One area of the ground the Tigers are well coveted.

Early in the season without those players Richmond weren't unbeatable. In fact they lost six games when they were missing a couple of Top line players. Including three straight losses late May early June against Norths and Adelaide and then smashed by Geelong.

That's the point.

Come finals if Dusty and another top line player is out Richmond become as vulnerable as any other side.

 

[Lsta062]

How many top liners were missing in September?

One? Rance. One area of the ground the Tigers are well coveted.

Early in the season without those players Richmond weren't unbeatable. In fact they lost six games when they were missing a couple of Top line players. Including three straight losses late May early June against Norths and Adelaide and then smashed by Geelong.

That's the point.

Come finals if Dusty and another top line player is out Richmond become as vulnerable as any other side.

Yeah, if it is the first time that Dusty and that top liner is missing in the season. As you can see with Rance and Riewoldt missing large chunks of the season last year, once the squad get used to their absence then they do OK.

That’s why we struggled in the 2018 PF against Collingwood and the beginning of last year but once we got used to playing without Rance and Riewoldt we started winning again. It’s like with any other side tbh. The previously injury hit teams (i.e. GWS 2019) do better than those suffering from injuries to top players after a number of years with a healthy list (i.e. Richmond 2018).

To me, it’s about how accustomed you are to playing without your top players that’ll determine how badly you’re affected when it is 1-3 of your top players. You suffer if you’re not used to it and you’ll likely be fine if you are like GWS and Collingwood were recently.

 

[Lsta062]

How many top liners were missing in September?

One? Rance. One area of the ground the Tigers are well coveted.

Early in the season without those players Richmond weren't unbeatable. In fact they lost six games when they were missing a couple of Top line players. Including three straight losses late May early June against Norths and Adelaide and then smashed by Geelong.

That's the point.

Come finals if Dusty and another top line player is out Richmond become as vulnerable as any other side.

Just to clear it up, I’m not saying that Richmond is unbeatable with players are. They’d be as vulnerable as many of the top sides because the reality is that they are called top players of the competition for a reason.

I just don’t think that Richmond would struggle covering injuries more than most teams in the competition. Some people say that a Richmond would struggle to replace stars more than other top sides but I think we’d be as good at it as any side other than maybe GWS.

 

[Tiger Soze]

In fact they lost six games when they were missing a couple of Top line players. Including three straight losses late May early June against Norths and Adelaid

A couple of top liners??
Try 8 from the top 10 in the previous years BnF.

 

[jc12]

Dusty gets a corky and they fall back to the pack pretty quickly.

People say Richmond's success is based on system and role players but take out one or two of their top liners they become as vulnerable as any other top six side.

Collingwood proved that in 2018.

lol we had all our guns injured at some point during 2019 and still won the flag. next

 

[jc12]

How many top liners were missing in September?

One? Rance. One area of the ground the Tigers are well coveted.

Early in the season without those players Richmond weren't unbeatable. In fact they lost six games when they were missing a couple of Top line players. Including three straight losses late May early June against Norths and Adelaide and then smashed by Geelong.

That's the point.

Come finals if Dusty and another top line player is out Richmond become as vulnerable as any other side.

LOL oppo fans have become so triggered by us now. first it was OHHH YOU HAVE NO INJURIES. now its OHHH YOU HAVE NO INJURIES DURING FINALS. what do you want? for us to play with 10 men on the field to prove we are actually "good? Lool

your point was if we lose some top liners we fall back to the pack like every other side, if it applies to every other side then your point is useless i could easily say your side would be s**t if you replace all your players with wafl players, same applies for every team.

geez oppo fans are so much more stupid when we are going well. our success really does mess with your heads doesnt it

 

[jc12]

Just to clear it up, I’m not saying that Richmond is unbeatable with players are. They’d be as vulnerable as many of the top sides because the reality is that they are called top players of the competition for a reason.

I just don’t think that Richmond would struggle covering injuries more than most teams in the competition. Some people say that a Richmond would struggle to replace stars more than other top sides but I think we’d be as good at it as any side other than maybe GWS.

we are the best at it, as proved by our flag win last year. we have the results to back it up. injuries or no injuries we have won the flag with both scenarios. next the footy world will want us to win with vfl players to prove that we are good lol

 

[Soberian Tiger]

we are the best at it, as proved by our flag win last year. we have the results to back it up. injuries or no injuries we have won the flag with both scenarios. next the footy world will want us to win with vfl players to prove that we are good lol

I'm sure there's plenty of historical comments that attest to Richmond's best current players being only of VFL standard. In fact, one could probably fill a book with them, along with attribution to some of the very BF accounts still complaining about said players' recent success.

 

[Grrr]

Who replaced the role of Rance?

Who can replace Dusty?

How did Richmond go in the first part of the year with a few out? Did they remain their dominant best? Nope.

So as I said lose one or two top liners Richmond slide back to the pack

The same applies to most club's.

With a few outs you say.
Riewoldt was out for most of the year, back in patches but kept getting injuries. Cotchin the same. Rance the season. Nankervis most of the season, Higgins half the season, Short 12 weeks, Jack Ross 8 weeks, Lambert 4 weeks, Astbury 4 weeks, Houli 3 weeks, Rioli 3 weeks, Caddy 2 (missed large chunk of preseason), Jack Graham 4 weeks, Stack 5 weeks. Pickett got up in the last game of the year (hand injury/late starter) and 3 weeks of VFL. Prior. Vlaustin, Grimes, Castagna, Edwards and Broad all missed games. And most of these games were missed early to mid season.

 

[OhhDeledio]

Who replaced the role of Rance?

Who can replace Dusty?

How did Richmond go in the first part of the year with a few out? Did they remain their dominant best? Nope.

So as I said lose one or two top liners Richmond slide back to the pack

The same applies to most club's.

But we did have 1 or 2 top liners out for pretty much the whole year, still came 3rd.