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Simiilar to Oleg Markov last year, traded from Richmond, delisted by suns
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BALL MOVEMENT
in 2022 we would switch the ball side to side in defence and use quicker players FREDERICK and COLYER on the open side to transition the ball defence to attack. ACRES would also run, drag players with him and create space.
we struggled in 22 in wet games when we couldnt do this. We also struggled when opposition began denying us the switch.
When we play long kick and straight lines, we lack the players to win the contests to continue to progress the ball. DARCY, JACKSON and FYFE are crucial players in this regard. We also need improvement from JOHNSON.
BRAYSHAW et al, need to feed off these bigger guys winning contests and also run to support and DEFEND if we lose.
so, in 22, we could get the ball into our forward line, from there we became good at PRESSING UP and denying the oppo exits. Hence we had some excellent games. ( north @ optus, Saints @ Etihad, Cats @ Dump )
i think the plan is still the same, we just cant execute.
STOPPAGE STRENGTH will assist us to be less reliant on BALL MOVEMENT.
i actually believe, BRODIE should play, and YOUNG back to Defence, we need to be able to move the ball from the back half, YOUNG, CLARK, RYAN, COX are all capable, RYAN can hit switch and be a switch option. OMEARA and BRAYSHAW more to the OUTSIDE.
in 2022 we would switch the ball side to side in defence and use quicker players FREDERICK and COLYER on the open side to transition the ball defence to attack. ACRES would also run, drag players with him and create space.
we struggled in 22 in wet games when we couldnt do this. We also struggled when opposition began denying us the switch.
When we play long kick and straight lines, we lack the players to win the contests to continue to progress the ball. DARCY, JACKSON and FYFE are crucial players in this regard. We also need improvement from JOHNSON.
BRAYSHAW et al, need to feed off these bigger guys winning contests and also run to support and DEFEND if we lose.
so, in 22, we could get the ball into our forward line, from there we became good at PRESSING UP and denying the oppo exits. Hence we had some excellent games. ( north @ optus, Saints @ Etihad, Cats @ Dump )
i think the plan is still the same, we just cant execute.
STOPPAGE STRENGTH will assist us to be less reliant on BALL MOVEMENT.
i actually believe, BRODIE should play, and YOUNG back to Defence, we need to be able to move the ball from the back half, YOUNG, CLARK, RYAN, COX are all capable, RYAN can hit switch and be a switch option. OMEARA and BRAYSHAW more to the OUTSIDE.
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can I ASK why you FEEL THIS WAY?
DockerDerek
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Maybe this year Hamling can win a flag at his 4th club?!
Regularly. Go and check out the r23 game against Port at the end of last year.
Agree with most of that but most of our backline has severe defensive deficiencies when the ball hits the ground. Draper and chapman may fix things in time. Stanley looks good.
So he weaves to finds space to run into, gains 40 and then kicks or handballs. I'd take that. Better than watching Ryan stand there for 20 minutes contemplating before kicking it to the same place every time. Clark and Hughes are just as bad.
Not sure if you have any respect for the opinion on Schmook but he has him in our team against Brissie for the same reason as some on here have expressed.
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Wagner is on a different level really, borderline terrible actual defender. Wish they had have started to bite the bullet and played Draper ahead of Hughes. If he’s as promising as he seems to be, the sooner they get him to 50 games, the better
No. He marks a short get-out kick, stops, looks around, waits then kicks back/sideways. Quite a few times. You haven't looked at that game (or a few others in that same period), have you?
Late last year I wanted to check my positive impression of his late season cameos, when previously he'd been but up to the level with his involvements. Was keen to see how it might help our back line transition for '24. So I looked up his statistically better games and went on a Wagner Watch.
Wagner is kinda an average version of what we badly need. Some of the other options are averages versions of what we don’t need (guys that stand for 3 seconds then turn and chip it 20m backwards or to the boundary line). Give me the Wagner option between those two choices every day of the week.
An elite version of Wagner would be great but we don’t have one so we are stuck with him until then.
Agree that Draper is promising but not sure he was anywhere near the level required last year in the end so would not be too critical yet that he hasn’t got any opportunity. He should get a few games in 2024 to show what he can do.
so you want wagner to play on and take risks running into opponent press?
what are draper footskills like?
what are draper footskills like?
Would be great to see Draper get to the stage to be attacking off half back as a 198cm defender in the firsts. I think probably a couple of years off yet but there is plenty to work with
All team defences do careful exits to some extent. Even Collingwood.
Wagner isn't a 100% run and gun quick line cutter by any extent. Far from it. He's as inclined to do parallel kicking as anyone. In fact doing that can be good judgement and set up line breaking plays after. We just need to develop more off the half back who can see the game clearly and break the lines.
Clark is universes ahead of Wagner in driving backline transition. Obvious to say I would've thought.
True but Clark is also a shut down target by Oppo coaches so he either needs to work through this or we work through it with other options
I watch all our games and our wins multiple times. He is the only one that gives us some serious zip through traffic and unpredictability from the backline. You can go on about all the rest of the stuff but in reality we are staid and stagnate from the backline and he, at present, is the only one who gives us some run out of defense. I can't count how many mistakes Hughes makes (game turning errors) and yet he still plays. I would take a lesser defensive side from Wagner to finally get some run from defense. No doubt when he takes off sometimes he realises he is in trouble and has to make it up as he goes along. But that's ok. That's what we want. You people keep whingeing about our slow ball movement but when someone actually takes things on you start dragging up how imperfect he is.
Great post. Ethan Hughes is on the list for a decade (10 ******* years - goodness me) with all his Cat 10 mistakes and people are giving Wagner a hard time? lol
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I tried to explain this below somewhere else & probably didn’t do a very good job of it.
The very best teams get this concept & are able to move the ball with freedom & speed on most occasions because they play a significant role without ball in hand.
You hear of smart footballers or high iq footballers & these guys are the very best at this concept. They know where their next possession is coming from well before they get it. Collingwood have a heap of them, unfortunately.
The reason some players not in the first 22 struggle, like we saw v Port is they don’t work smart enough without ball in hand. It’s hard to move the ball quickly when there’s no where to go.
Anyway, I don’t want to say our ball movement was crap without suggesting a reason why it was crap. We have to work harder & smarter without ball in hand.
Lots of basketball terms, but you should be able to replace them with footy terms.
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The very best teams get this concept & are able to move the ball with freedom & speed on most occasions because they play a significant role without ball in hand.
You hear of smart footballers or high iq footballers & these guys are the very best at this concept. They know where their next possession is coming from well before they get it. Collingwood have a heap of them, unfortunately.
The reason some players not in the first 22 struggle, like we saw v Port is they don’t work smart enough without ball in hand. It’s hard to move the ball quickly when there’s no where to go.
Anyway, I don’t want to say our ball movement was crap without suggesting a reason why it was crap. We have to work harder & smarter without ball in hand.
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