Prediction Stringer or Ablett

[goyoucatters]

Tend to agree....depends how deep this issues are. Bevo's recent statements are a concern.

They wouldn't be dumping an AA with brilliant upside for no reason.

So true. I think the club has to be extremely wary of jumping into a deal for Stringer.

Won't come cheap at all. But could be bringing far more than just his undoubted talent down to the club.

Caveat emptor, feles.

 

[00VicWard001]

Tend to agree....depends how deep this issues are. Bevo's recent statements are a concern.

They wouldn't be dumping an AA with brilliant upside for no reason.

Sometimes it's irrational escalation rather than serious issues. The player may just be saying 'that's it I'm out. Not playing for you again!'

 

[00VicWard001]

So true. I think the club has to be extremely wary of jumping into a deal for Stringer.

Won't come cheap at all. But could be bringing far more than just his undoubted talent down to the club.

Caveat emptor, feles.

I remember Wells was keen on Stringer during his draft. No doubt he did his due diligence.

 

[goyoucatters]

I remember Wells was keen on Stringer during his draft. No doubt he did his due diligence.

Sure. But sounds like plenty of water has gone under the bridge since then.

Only my opinion, of course. But I think there is more to this than Stringer simply wanting out. Seems to me that the Dogs are actually pretty comfortable with moving him out of the place. That doesn't happen for a player with his skill set unless there are some serious issues in play.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

I have a lot of respect for Beverige and the Dogs, if they're happy to let Stringer go who when he is on is a deadset gun, then he must have some serious issues.

No doubt Geelong will do their homework, but it'll be a big risk taking him in IMO. If he can get it all together then fantastic but if he comes and continues to have major problems then we will be in trouble, because he won't come cheap.

 

[Rockford]

a player who has undoubted talent but comes with a lot of baggage, part of it being an individualist who lacks dedication.

You could be describing a young Ablett there I hope we get Stringer, even with what he has going on outside of football he's a formidable player. If we ever succeeded in helping him with his issues we end up with a revitalised player that was an All Australian match winner at 21.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

I have a lot of respect for Beverige and the Dogs, if they're happy to let Stringer go who when he is on is a deadset gun, then he must have some serious issues.

No doubt Geelong will do their homework, but it'll be a big risk taking him in IMO. If he can get it all together then fantastic but if he comes and continues to have major problems then we will be in trouble, because he won't come cheap.

He'll come cheap enough for his talent. Need to back in our leaders. Dogs have to accept unders, they put him up

 

[AM]

You could be describing a young Ablett there I hope we get Stringer, even with what he has going on outside of football he's a formidable player. If we ever succeeded in helping him with his issues we end up with a revitalised player that was an All Australian match winner at 21.

No one is doubting he's a formidable player when he's 'on' but there's way more to recruiting at AFL level these days than just football talent. SW has said before 'coachability' is important as is character which is why he spends time with not only the prospect but his family too before taking the decision.

In any event, we don't have the picks the Bullies would want to get him.

 

[tenderwarrior]

In any event, we don't have the picks the Bullies would want to get him.

I am not sure about that, I don't think he will go for an early/mid first rounder, there are issues that devalue him slightly, and these types of deals usually end up getting done.

Word is that Geelong is his where he wants to be, and we have our 2018 first rounder or Carlton's 2017 second rounder. It could also involve a player. Jackson Thurlow's name has been mentioned somewhere..

Of course anything can happen, but it is interesting to speculate.

 

[MarkCatsFan]

Stringer seems like another Motlop, on his day a game changer, but the other 21 games a nightmare. I don't usually melt over trades, but if we give up draft picks to chase stringer I will melt hard.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No one is doubting he's a formidable player when he's 'on' but there's way more to recruiting at AFL level these days than just football talent. SW has said before 'coachability' is important as is character which is why he spends time with not only the prospect but his family too before taking the decision.

In any event, we don't have the picks the Bullies would want to get him.

We absolutely have the picks.

Your other points are very valid though.

 

[Gogeelong]

No one is doubting he's a formidable player when he's 'on' but there's way more to recruiting at AFL level these days than just football talent. SW has said before 'coachability' is important as is character which is why he spends time with not only the prospect but his family too before taking the decision.

In any event, we don't have the picks the Bullies would want to get him.

Most players we draft say they had not idea the club was interested and they only spoke to the club briefly

 

[Partridge]

You could be describing a young Ablett there I hope we get Stringer, even with what he has going on outside of football he's a formidable player. If we ever succeeded in helping him with his issues we end up with a revitalised player that was an All Australian match winner at 21.

Everyone always trots this out (not directed at you). There's one big difference.

Ablett always performed on the field. Always. And way beyond any of these other apparently troubled "stars".

 

[Daniel McL]

Get both.
Get Stringer to live with Ablett.
Teach him the ways of Jesus Christ.
Fixes Stringer's off-field issues.
Stringer kicks 100 goals each season from 2018 onwards.

 

[Partridge]

Get both.
Get Stringer to live with Ablett.
Teach him the ways of Jesus Christ.
Fixes Stringer's off-field issues.
Stringer kicks 100 goals each season from 2018 onwards.

Give all his money to the poor. Save on salary cap.

 

[Daniel McL]

Give all his money to the poor. Save on salary cap.

Giving all his money to the poor doesn't save us salary cap haha it just means the money is going somewhere else

 

[AM]

I am not sure about that, I don't think he will go for an early/mid first rounder, there are issues that devalue him slightly, and these types of deals usually end up getting done.

Word is that Geelong is his where he wants to be, and we have our 2018 first rounder or Carlton's 2017 second rounder. It could also involve a player. Jackson Thurlow's name has been mentioned somewhere..

Of course anything can happen, but it is interesting to speculate.

I'd be annoyed if we gave a first rounder for a player with quite some unresolved issues. Some of which have not been publicised. One being his removal had much to do with player disenchantment as I understand it.

The last thing a club which prides itself on culture and unity needs is someone who has the potential to decimate it.

Anyhow, I'm confident the club won't put in our oar unless he meets the standards we require.

 

[AM]

Most players we draft say they had not idea the club was interested and they only spoke to the club briefly

Don't believe that for one moment. Checking players bona fides is common practice with most clubs now and, most importantly, it runs counter to what SW has said.

 

[Armo7]

I have a lot of respect for Beverige and the Dogs, if they're happy to let Stringer go who when he is on is a deadset gun, then he must have some serious issues.

No doubt Geelong will do their homework, but it'll be a big risk taking him in IMO. If he can get it all together then fantastic but if he comes and continues to have major problems then we will be in trouble, because he won't come cheap.

Kind of similar to the risk we took with Gary Senior?

 

[Armo7]

Don't believe that for one moment. Checking players bona fides is common practice with most clubs now and, most importantly, it runs counter to what SW has said.

Most players we draft say they had not idea the club was interested and they only spoke to the club briefly

I've heard a number of draftees say this in direct interviews. Thurlow for sure.

 

[Pollywaffle]

We need consistency not another flakey 'in and out of the gamer'. We already have too many of them.
Happy with Ablett if we get him for peanuts though.

 

[Cezz The Catter]

I am not sure about that, I don't think he will go for an early/mid first rounder, there are issues that devalue him slightly, and these types of deals usually end up getting done.

Word is that Geelong is his where he wants to be, and we have our 2018 first rounder or Carlton's 2017 second rounder. It could also involve a player. Jackson Thurlow's name has been mentioned somewhere..

Of course anything can happen, but it is interesting to speculate.

If it involves any exchange of pick and player I think it is beyond his value. I rate Stringer in the same bracket as Christensen, a good player who is yet to peak, remembering BL didn't know his body was a basket case pre-trade. I think a pick from 20-25 should be satisfactory without the need to on trade a player.

Thurlow hasn't done a whole lot this season, but I am still hopeful he can next year start piecing together and building on the form of 2015.

 

[Rockford]

Everyone always trots this out (not directed at you). There's one big difference.

Ablett always performed on the field. Always. And way beyond any of these other apparently troubled "stars".

I'd agree it gets trotted out a lot, except for I think Stringer does (for the most part) still perform on the field. Gaz never won an AA spot as a 21 year old. Jake really does have the tools to be a dominant force for whichever club he plays for... I still hope that ends up being us.

 

[dazbroncos]

Kind of similar to the risk we took with Gary Senior?

GAS was a quiet man in the early days but not as many public issues as listed for Stringer.

Later in life, yes the issues became greater.


Go Catters

 

[AM]

I've heard a number of draftees say this in direct interviews. Thurlow for sure.

We must frequent different places to gather info then. It would be a dereliction of duty not to do background checking of players and speak with them and I haven't heard one early pick who hasn't said they haven't been spoken to and often by many clubs. What clubs tend not to do is firmly commit at that time.

I wouldn't question that some (say) 60+ picks don't get pre-draft nods as I'd guess less time is invested in those picks.

SW said as far back as 2010 in an interview before an annual draft combine in Canberra that he spends a 1/3 of his time background checking players.

We are getting off topic. As far as Stringer goes, I'd be very confident the background checking would be extra thorough before we put our oar in the water. Beveridge is very much a players man and for JS to fall out with him would take some doing. Let's hope he can work his way through his issues as he's a talent and it would be a real shame if he didn't maximise it.