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DeadlyAkkuret said:
Is that even possible?
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Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

lappin it up said:
If that is your interpritation of a draft pick well used then the whole football fraternity thanks you for not ever getting involved in football decision making.

30 goals a season is nothing to be scoffed at, however let’s do a quick comparison. Nathan Ablett kicked about 30 goals last season and is about 20, Dew is 28. Nathan Ablett was is good physical shape, Dew clearly is not. Nathan Ablett had (has) plenty of time to develop his game and improve, Dew does not. Nathan Ablett had the potential to be a great player, Dew has been a great player but will never reach those same heights again.

Now the reason I used Nathan as an example in this instance is because I think most of you will agree that he was a standard player with potential if given time and he really applied himself. And to be honest there are dozen’s of players nation wide with similar characteristics to Nathan.

So why not picked a young player over an older over weight player? When you can easily get the same input.
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I doubt we drafted Dew to kick over 50 goals a season. I doubt many small non marking players would have that kind of pressure on them.

What about goal assists, setting up play, kicking efficiency, experience in a young group which can't be measured with stats but is vitally important, or his ability to break the flood meaning coaches have to change their gameplan a little if we have C. Young and S. Dew outside 50, they can't just drop players back.

Competition for spots is hot, and Dew has a lot of work to do, but we were certainly in a position to trade a pick in the third round to take on a player like Dew, and probably were one club it makes sense to take a punt on him.

Easily get the same output in the third round than a 28/29 premiership player?
We got him to make an impact immediately, I doubt many young players could have Dew's potential impact immediatley, at the ground or around the club at training.
 
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cschreuder61 said:
I doubt we drafted Dew to kick over 50 goals a season. I doubt many small non marking players would have that kind of pressure on them.

What about goal assists, setting up play, kicking efficiency, experience in a young group which can't be measured with stats but is vitally important, or his ability to break the flood meaning coaches have to change their gameplan a little if we have C. Young and S. Dew outside 50, they can't just drop players back.

Competition for spots is hot, and Dew has a lot of work to do, but we were certainly in a position to trade a pick in the third round to take on a player like Dew, and probably were one club it makes sense to take a punt on him.

Easily get the same output in the third round than a 28/29 premiership player?
We got him to make an impact immediately, I doubt many young players could have Dew's potential impact immediatley, at the ground or around the club at training.
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Break the flood? Are you implying Dew will be firstly nullifying his direct opponent and then stream out of defence and hit Buddy lace out? Every coach in the AFL would love to see Dew line up against them on the half back or half forward line.

They can expose his lack of pace, lack of fitness at both sides of the ground. Running half back players like McLeod and Graham would have a field day on Dew. And forward players could drag him back to the square and completely nullify his entire existence on the field
 
Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

lappin it up said:
Break the flood? Are you implying Dew will be firstly nullifying his direct opponent and then stream out of defence and hit Buddy lace out? Every coach in the AFL would love to see Dew line up against them on the half back or half forward line.

They can expose his lack of pace, lack of fitness at both sides of the ground. Running half back players like McLeod and Graham would have a field day on Dew. And forward players could drag him back to the square and completely nullify his entire existence on the field
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Hes still faster than Greg Williams ever was! (Im not comparing ability)
 

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Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

lappin it up said:
Well then don't bother.
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All Im saying, is that pace isnt eveything, Dew still has some good skills, and a good footy brain, hed defanatley be a walk up start at carlton, even now, without losing the few extra kilos that he is on target for!
 
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BIGBEZ said:
All Im saying, is that pace isnt eveything, Dew still has some good skills, and a good footy brain, hed defanatley be a walk up start at carlton, even now, without losing the few extra kilos that he is on target for!
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Well considering Carlton's general youth policy I'd say he wouldn't be a walk up start. Also can't dispute that although he had many MANY well publised faults Lance Whitnall had a great footy brain, and as history has shown that can only get you so far.

What good is a football smart's whenteam's will look to expose his weight, speed, vertical leap and undeniable one dimensional football?
 
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lappin it up said:
Well considering Carlton's general youth policy I'd say he wouldn't be a walk up start. Also can't dispute that although he had many MANY well publised faults Lance Whitnall had a great footy brain, and as history has shown that can only get you so far.

What good is a football smart's when you team's will look to expose his weight, speed and undeniable one dimensional football?
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Lance made captain of your great club!
Dew being one dimensional is debatable!
 
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BIGBEZ said:
Lance made captain of your great club!
Dew being one dimensional is debatable!
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Stuart Dew chucked in the towell stating 'lack of passion' what's your point.

And on being 1 dimensional his physical attributes limit his ability to such an extent that he can only be used one way.
 
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lappin it up said:
Stuart Dew chucked in the towell stating 'lack of passion' what's your point.

And on being 1 dimensional his physical attributes limit his ability to such an extent that he can only be used one way.
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Describe Greg Williams 'physical attributes' ?
 

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Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

BIGBEZ said:
Describe Greg Williams 'physical attributes' ?
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Describe the era in which Greg Williams played. Even though it is only 10 years since he retired the game has changed significantly since then. Even though Greg Williams would probably still be in the best 22 at most clubs today, there would be plenty of opposition coaches ready to exploit his lack of pace by rotating 2-3 run with players against him. Something he didn't have to worry about when he played.

BTW, Greg Williams had much more football smarts than Dew, but that wouldn't have been enough to see him dominate today, like he did during his career.
 
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mediumsizered said:
Describe the era in which Greg Williams played. Even though it is only 10 years since he retired the game has changed significantly since then. Even though Greg Williams would probably still be in the best 22 at most clubs today, there would be plenty of opposition coaches ready to exploit his lack of pace by rotating 2-3 run with players against him. Something he didn't have to worry about when he played.

BTW, Greg Williams had much more football smarts than Dew, but that wouldn't have been enough to see him dominate today, like he did during his career.
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Are you saying Dew has no chance in todays game?
 
Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

BIGBEZ said:
Describe Greg Williams 'physical attributes' ?
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- He was small, allowing him to have a low centre of gravity, meaning he was fantastic when the ball was at his feet.

- He was tuff, constantly got the hard ball.

- He was fit.
 
Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

BIGBEZ said:
Are you saying Dew has no chance in todays game?
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I'm saying it is going to be extremely difficult for him to have a significant impact. Coaches will be telling his opponents to run & run & run & if they are really shrewd they will make sure they utilise players on him who are capable of hurting him going the other way ie players who will regularly kick goals.
 
Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

BIGBEZ said:
Are you saying Dew has no chance in todays game?
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I'm saying he is the obvious weak link. He cannot chase his direct opponent, so they will run off him all day regardless of his position. He has never been a great mark, he certainly is not quick and has no vertical leap.

His only upside is his kicking skill's, and they will only be an upside if his kicks are more damaging than his oppenent's. Which considering he can't chase them all day mean's they are likely to get it a fair bit more than him shouldn't be to difficult
 
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lappin it up said:
I'm saying he is the obvious weak link. He cannot chase his direct opponent, so they will run off him all day regardless of his position. He has never been a great mark, he certainly is not quick and has no vertical leap.

His only upside is his kicking skill's, and they will only be an upside if his kicks are more damaging than his oppenent's. Which considering he can't chase them all day mean's they are likely to get it a fair bit more than him shouldn't be to difficult
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Fair assesment!:thumbsu:
Although, I see him playing a pinch hitter role off the bench, or a hard body forward who can be damaging off either foot! He has great skills, and brings his teamates into the game, a great expierienced player who sets a great training example to the young hawks who is a great asset to the hawthorn football club!
Also, I just like to see the fatboys do well!:eek:
 

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Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

BIGBEZ said:
Fair assesment!:thumbsu:
Although, I see him playing a pinch hitter role off the bench, or a hard body forward who can be damaging off either foot! He has great skills, and brings his teamates into the game, a great expierienced player who sets a great training example to the young hawks who is a great asset to the hawthorn football club!
Also, I just like to see the fatboys do well!:eek:
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I'm not sure he does set a great example for the young hawks. At P.A he was know for his lazy attitude and then left them game to persue other interest's. That didn't work out so he is back, well over weight and is all of a sudden one of the most senior players at the club.

Your interpritation of his role is exactly why I said he was a wasted pick. I think it would be a much better idea to use Dew's draft pick to get a young player who could one day hopefully pave out a full AFL career.

Don't get me wrong, Pinch hitters can be very handy players e.g - Peter Ricardi in his last few years at Geelong, Ben Dixon at Hawthorn and Dane Swan from Collingwood. But what do all these guys have in common? They were/are all club men. Trusted and respected by their team mates. If you want to have a pinch hitter the rest of the team needs to know when he is on the ground he is a "go to man". Which means the team must have confidence in his ability.

I find it hard to see how any Hawthorn players could have confidence in his current ability.
 
Re: Stuart Dew, looking sharp!

lappin it up said:
If that is your interpritation of a draft pick well used then the whole football fraternity thanks you for not ever getting involved in football decision making.

30 goals a season is nothing to be scoffed at, however let’s do a quick comparison. Nathan Ablett kicked about 30 goals last season and is about 20, Dew is 28. Nathan Ablett was is good physical shape, Dew clearly is not. Nathan Ablett had (has) plenty of time to develop his game and improve, Dew does not. Nathan Ablett had the potential to be a great player, Dew has been a great player but will never reach those same heights again.

Now the reason I used Nathan as an example in this instance is because I think most of you will agree that he was a standard player with potential if given time and he really applied himself. And to be honest there are dozen’s of players nation wide with similar characteristics to Nathan.

So why not picked a young player over an older over weight player? When you can easily get the same input.
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Some interesting points.
Why the comparisons with Ablett? What is the sense in that? You may as well compare 500 other younger players?
Ablett is also a flake ..how is that good for a team? Character mean anything to you? Dont get me wrong, I dont mean to bash Ablett, in fact I feel for the Geelong supporters, not to mention the thousands of young footballers who are insulted at the guys flippancy of opportunity.

Dew was picked late in the draft where the choices for a quality player were extremely limited. So your argument for picking up a young unknown quality player is very unlikely.
What the Hawks got was a guy who could help guide/coach/mould a young group of guys. How many Hawthorn players have a premiership under their belt? How does a young unknown provde this 'same input' as you put it?

The coaching staff would be very aware of the need for balance in selection. Maturity in a team is an essential quality...not to mention a booming kick and bloody good bloke.
 
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This thread has gone the way of most other BF topics:

Hawk fans seeing good signs and being all optimistic:

Opposition fans hoping he will be a dud and fails.
 

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