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It's just a handover of possession a long way from goal due to having no options. Football justice.
It’s not really a deliberate rule now, it’s basically last touch over line.
What are you talking about?
There are so many deliberates that dont get paid. They should be paying 5 more a game.
Sick of seeing super skilled players get all fake-fumbly because the boundary line is near.
Happy with the rule... players have to actively try and keep the ball in play. If they decide to try and be be clever and hug the boundary a bit too closely and slightly miskick.. then they get pinged.
Like all rules its subject to interpretation and there will be some that are line-ball.
No problem with that, just change the name of the rule. DOOB means player intentionally kicked the ball to the line which is not what is happening.
And I am sick of seeing players being penalised for kicking the ball 40m plus in their teams direction that happen to roll out for deliberate when it clearly wasn’t deliberate.
It already is. Umpires always call out "Insufficient Intent", but that's not catchy so the Commentators and fans continue with 'deliberate'No problem with that, just change the name of the rule. DOOB means player intentionally kicked the ball to the line which is not what is happening.
So you started a thread because you want the name of a rule changed?
I didn’t start the thread, just commenting as you are.
My apologies
Even that seems to be wrong. If a player shanks it and it's one bounce out, they generally ping them. The player might have fully intended to keep it in but stuffed it.It already is. Umpires always call out "Insufficient Intent", but that's not catchy so the Commentators and fans continue with 'deliberate'
Except it is clearly deliberate. The entire purpose of that kick is for the ball to go out of play when players do that. If it doesn't go out, its a turnover.And I am sick of seeing players being penalised for kicking the ball 40m plus in their teams direction that happen to roll out for deliberate when it clearly wasn’t deliberate.
In the biggest sport in the world, handball is only a free kick when a player does it intentionally.There is no other sport the in the world that attempts to adjucate intention.
Except it is clearly deliberate. The entire purpose of that kick is for the ball to go out of play when players do that. If it doesn't go out, its a turnover.
Soccer/Football - clearly not your strong suit - Whether its accidental or not is irrelevant if it has effected the play - the adjuration is entirely on whether your hand is away from your body - could you have moved it out of the way in the circumstance - if it is any where away from your body and is deemed to have influenced a shot or pass it is automatically deemed deliberate. Semantically, you can argue that it is like AFL but it is nothing like it. - only if his hand is in front of his torso and the ball strikes his hand its not hand ball.Except it is clearly deliberate. The entire purpose of that kick is for the ball to go out of play when players do that. If it doesn't go out, its a turnover.
In the biggest sport in the world, handball is only a free kick when a player does it intentionally.
Basketball has an intentional rating on flagrant fouls that result in a heavier punishment.
In motor racing sports deliberately crashing into another racer is treated differently to just making contact while attempting to overtake.
The last touch option is a dramatic change and has it's own issues with players hand balling and tapping the ball into their opponents so the ball will rebound out of bounds. On top of the players who clearly can pick up the ball shepherding opponents from getting a touch. It might be too much of a change. Personally, I'm agnostic about it but can see why other people might find it too much. Obviously this is used in Soccer and Basketball.Of the ones paid deliberate it would be less than half that the players intention was for it to go out. Rushed kick out of defense under pressure is exactly what it is, a kick out of the area to relieve pressure. Umpires should not be adjudicating intention and should have more of a feel for the situation.
If it is as you think that all kicks that find the line are deliberate then just make it last touch out as a rule. It basically has become this anyway.
Soccer/Football - clearly not your strong suit - Whether its accidental or not is irrelevant if it has effected the play - the adjuration is entirely on whether your hand is away from your body - could you have moved it out of the way in the circumstance - if it is any where away from your body and is deemed to have influenced a shot or pass it is automatically deemed deliberate. Semantically, you can argue that it is like AFL but it is nothing like it. - only if his hand is in front of his torso and the ball strikes his hand its not hand ball.
Actually part of being a football referee is making judgements on the players intent in every single challenge.Furthermore, this decision may occur once in 10 games; not 10 times in 1 game.
Basketball - first it's a foul - the additional punishment is much like our tribunal - irrelevant counter point. That is more like arguing for a send off rule.
Yeah, you're kidding yourself if you don't think the intent is for the ball to go out of play even in those quick hack situations. If you made the law last touch out, then players will have no problem keeping their hack clearances away from the boundaries.Of the ones paid deliberate it would be less than half that the players intention was for it to go out. Rushed kick out of defense under pressure is exactly what it is, a kick out of the area to relieve pressure. Umpires should not be adjudicating intention and should have more of a feel for the situation.
If it is as you think that all kicks that find the line are deliberate then just make it last touch out as a rule. It basically has become this anyway.