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[juzza316]

Honestly, shut up.

Not once has Ratten traded like Voss and that is highly unlikely to change.

Barely any club captains believed that Carlton, Sydney or Fremantle were going to make the top 8 this season.

Yet we're a shit club with a shit coach and a shit culture because we made it?

Your recycled shit is unwanted here. You are a moron who should be following Collingwood.

Is there really a need to resort to insulting him? I think he has came up with decent points whereas all you have done is told him to shutup and call him a moron because you don't agree?
Fair enough not any club captains thought we would make the top 8, but the fact remains we are miles behind Collingwood as a team, which is very depressing!

 

[Jeremias]

Is there really a need to resort to insulting him? I think he has came up with decent points whereas all you have done is told him to shutup and call him a moron because you don't agree?
Fair enough not any club captains thought we would make the top 8, but the fact remains we are miles behind Collingwood as a team, which is very depressing!

Normally I'd agree with you, but the poster in question is a troll who deserves no real credit for his posts, nor does he deserve a proper response.

That option has been explored in the past but some people never learn. There is about as much point banging your head against a brick wall as entering into a discussion with THS.

His arguments are nonsense and are merely recycled rubbish which he rants about at various stages throughout the year.

 

[born in carlton]

Collingwood play with so much discipline, we will take time and i'll be happy as long as i see the boys improving every year, im just as anxious for a flags as anyone, but it'll take take time before we find out our best 22 and who can play to the structure, on top of that the coach has to make sure the structure his sets the players is one that can win a flag. this year in alot of game it looked like we had none. But when you see our boys take teams on, running through the center in groups of 4 and 5 we look unstopable, just hope we see that more consistently next year. plenty of run out of the backline and heaps of pressure from the foward line and great delivery from the mids will see us go far imo

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Honestly, shut up.

Not once has Ratten traded like Voss and that is highly unlikely to change.

Barely any club captains believed that Carlton, Sydney or Fremantle were going to make the top 8 this season.

Yet we're a shit club with a shit coach and a shit culture because we made it?

Your recycled shit is unwanted here. You are a moron who should be following Collingwood.

That hurt!!!

Your words hurt me big boy!!! lol
We have a coach who cannot get the best of the players he has
Just take a peek at our record over the last 14 weeks and who we beat.. just the bottom 5 clubs.
Youre easily excited.

Embrace mediocrity it embraces you back.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Normally I'd agree with you, but the poster in question is a troll who deserves no real credit for his posts, nor does he deserve a proper response.

That option has been explored in the past but some people never learn. There is about as much point banging your head against a brick wall as entering into a discussion with THS.

His arguments are nonsense and are merely recycled rubbish which he rants about at various stages throughout the year.

jeremias grow up!
lol


Ratteb has been in charge of the club for over three years.
We had a 50% record .
As the season went on other clubs were overtaking us.

If you are unwilling to debate footy matters.. go read a book.

 

[Jeremias]

More than willing to debate footy matters.

I am not, however, going to enter any arguments about the Carlton Football Club with people that have no logical arguments, continue to sprout their shit on here and treat it as gospel, and that clearly have no idea about what they are talking.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

More than willing to debate footy matters.

I am not, however, going to enter any arguments about the Carlton Football Club with people that have no logical arguments, continue to sprout their shit on here and treat it as gospel, and that clearly have no idea about what they are talking.

Ok so argueJeriamias.
Explain how the club wasnt being overun as the season went on?
And how our structures and players were improving.

 

[Jeremias]

Not with you.

Despite the high opinion you may hold of yourself, the 2nd sentence in my last post describes you just about perfectly.

I'd rather waste my time on something else.

 

[Blue Ratts]

Not as if Malthouse has only been there 5 mins and fixed the place. The discipline has taken years to develop and even then that alone does not fill holes. Just ask Ball and Jolly. The whole notion of sacking all because you are to blind to see any advances in the team as far as developing players and culture is just plain stupidity. On the one hand you have a crack at Voss for player (and loyalty) turnover ,yet the next sentence is a rant about sacking all responsible for a lack of culture developmeant.??????????

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Not with you.

Despite the high opinion you may hold of yourself, the 2nd sentence in my last post describes you just about perfectly.

I'd rather waste my time on something else.

Despite whatever sentence you point to... you cant address the situation.. u can only deflect away from the theme... which says alot about you and me....

What are our structures.?
What we understand about forward pressure.. zoning or clusters.?
Which players have taken the quantum leap to the next level.?
What kind of intensty do we play with?
How did we improve as the year went on.?

Well?

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Johnson. Davis and Prestigiacomo are still first choice players that were out injured and they've kept Lockyer, O'Bree and Fraser on the list despie being well past it.

Hardly any of them have played more than a handfull of games.
they smashed us with just Davis in that team alongside of Didak.

But the point is.

theyre developed well and theyre coached well.


When they were cr@p they made some awful decisions.

They have turned it all around and theyre now making great choices with great rewards.

We get Icke from Freo... as footy manager... and since he has left theyre looking better.
Our coach had no true AFL qualifications and accreditations... and it all reflects .

Our players are like women in the 80s there is a glass ceiling that stops them from breaking through to the next level.

No coincidence.

 

[GoBlues!]

No we do not!!! if we did we would have seen a few more games being strung together - rather than the win 2 then lose or win 1 then lose 2 stright.

Our players do not look "hungry" for the ball like what Collingwood are.

I do think we have an ok- good list at the moment, but we have too many holes at the moment.

Agree. Our list is okay but we still have a few issues - our forward line is developing and was a bit patchy in the second half of year especially the output of Betts, Yarran and Hampson. Our defence struggled at times because of a lack of defensive pressure in the midfield and also our 2 key players Bower and Jammo were down on form.

 

[Sin City]

Hardly any of them have played more than a handfull of games.
they smashed us with just Davis in that team alongside of Didak.

Exactly, so it's a pretty poor choice to keep them on the list instead of having a young player developing for the future when it's obvious these guys have no place in the team.

But the point is.

theyre developed well and theyre coached well.

They also had to go and recruit players to fix their deficiencies (Ball, Jolly, Brown) but you credit them for this yet knock Carlton for doing the same thing.

They have turned it all around and theyre now making great choices with great rewards.

Their core group of players is far older/more developed than ours and their coach has spent a lot longer developing the list. Forget about average ages, apart from Pendlebury their best players are Swan, Ball, Didak, Jolly, Shaw, Maxwell and Prestigiacomo when he's healthy. Judd, Waite and Simpson are the only ones of our core group of players in that age group.

We get Icke from Freo... as footy manager... and since he has left theyre looking better.

The best one yet. Icke left Fremantle after they finished 3rd in 2006. They then came 11th in 07, 14th in 08, 14th in 09 before making finals this year. Icke came to us after we finished 16th in 2006, we've since finished 15th in 07, 11th in 08 and made finals in 09 and this year. Nice fail.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Exactly, so it's a pretty poor choice to keep them on the list instead of having a young player developing for the future when it's obvious these guys have no place in the team.



They also had to go and recruit players to fix their deficiencies (Ball, Jolly, Brown) but you credit them for this yet knock Carlton for doing the same thing.



Their core group of players is far older/more developed than ours and their coach has spent a lot longer developing the list. Forget about average ages, apart from Pendlebury their best players are Swan, Ball, Didak, Jolly, Shaw, Maxwell and Prestigiacomo when he's healthy. Judd, Waite and Simpson are the only ones of our core group of players in that age group.



The best one yet. Icke left Fremantle after they finished 3rd in 2006. They then came 11th in 07, 14th in 08, 14th in 09 before making finals this year. Icke came to us after we finished 16th in 2006, we've since finished 15th in 07, 11th in 08 and made finals in 09 and this year. Nice fail.

Yes but Ickes list was shithouse when he left them....

Bit like how Parkin left us... or Sheedy left Essendon.

So you fail!!!

But good try anyway....

Ball Jolly Brown???

yes but they made 2 perliminaries in a row... and the kids are coming along better than us.

you are poking fun at Malthouses list management???... theyre doing pretty good.

No Juddy...
No number 1 picks.. and been in a few p/ finals.

The question you should be asking yourself..

Is why are Freo and Swans passing us?
Why did north beat us???
Why did we only beat the bottom 4 or 5 clubs in 15 odd games of footy but couldnt beat the teams around us??

who are the players coming on??

What is our style?
What is our frontal pressure like???

Skills???

And theyre older core players?
Who are thjey???

 

[Dramoth]

The cold hard facts are Swans and Freo finished above us.. and noone expected them to make the finals .

So finals is not the indicator you might imagine for where you ahve to be .

We dont have players that are moving to any great levels.
Too many players are stangnating.
And the team is out of touch with what the good teams are attempting to do.

But yes... he will try trading his way to success.. (see Voss)

When you cant organise a gameplan or develop... keep trading ....

Thats so archaic

And no one realistically expected us to make the finals after we got rid of Fev... and that includes a goodly number of Carlton supporters.

Good to see you coming out with your unequivocable support of the club and the coach and all the rest...

If you dont like the direction that the club is going in and you think that Collingwood is a much better side, **** off and support them!

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

And no one realistically expected us to make the finals after we got rid of Fev... and that includes a goodly number of Carlton supporters.

Good to see you coming out with your unequivocable support of the club and the coach and all the rest...

If you dont like the direction that the club is going in and you think that Collingwood is a much better side, **** off and support them!

Listen D... who expected Sydney to make the finals.. or Freo???

you had no expectations right???

But Ratten is on record saying the club had to win a final... and it couldnt beat the Swans....

Yep i support the club... doesnt mean i support mediocrity.

You supported Elliot wight???

Or Fev??

Did you???

lol

hypocrite!!! blahhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[scomac]

Everyone expects the club to make a few tweeks, i just cant handle this get rid of the coach scenario it is counter productive ask Richmond about that success.Ratten will adjust the game style over summer with a couple of new Assistants hopefully a fitter stronger list and make the finals and challenge for a flag. Hope springs eternal

 

[Dramoth]

Yes but Ickes list was shithouse when he left them....

Bit like how Parkin left us... or Sheedy left Essendon.

So you fail!!!

But good try anyway....

Ball Jolly Brown???

yes but they made 2 perliminaries in a row... and the kids are coming along better than us.

you are poking fun at Malthouses list management???... theyre doing pretty good.

No Juddy...
No number 1 picks.. and been in a few p/ finals.

The question you should be asking yourself..

Is why are Freo and Swans passing us?
Why did north beat us???
Why did we only beat the bottom 4 or 5 clubs in 15 odd games of footy but couldnt beat the teams around us??

who are the players coming on??

What is our style?
What is our frontal pressure like???

Skills???

And theyre older core players?
Who are thjey???

According to you when another team has key players cruelled by injuries, it's bad luck, but when the same happens to Carlton it piss poor list management and people have to be sacked. We have had a number of key players this year going down with injuries at inopportune times and it's the coaches fault or the MC's fault?

We rushed Bower back into our defence because he is a key part of it, and what happens... he goes down injured again and again.

Where are the older core players that Carlton should have?

We had a massive list turn over at the same time as we were hit with the draft penalties and Pagan went out and recruited older players to fill the gap instead of trying to recruit young players to develop... He recruited Mick Martyn to be our fullback after that tosser was delisted by North and we all know how that turned out.

Players were constantly played out of position for a number of years and stunted their development. Players were constantly dragged and sent to coventry whenever they made a simple mistake during a match that more game time would have fixed because of confidence.

Our list was shithouse when Icke came to us and since then we have improved to the point of making the finals 2 years in a row... and if I remember rightly... the two clubs you are prattling on about were above us on the ladder when Icke joined us and they are still above us on the ladder now??? so whats really ****ing changed?

Ohh right... we have to be shit and the club hasnt progressed since Icke joined us because Freo and the Swannies are still above us on the ladder... guess what... over half of the teams that were above us on the ladder when he joined us in 2006 are now below us on the ladder and that isnt going to change any time soon now.

You arguments are pointless and your diatribes against the coaching staff and the football staff and the board and everyone else involved with the club are riddled with the taste of sour grapes.

We are improving at a greater rate than you and all your little yesmen buddies would have us believe. We are currently at about where collingwood was 3-5 years ago... in a couple more years, we will be at the same level that the filth are now and they are pressing for a premiership.

It might take them a couple of goes, but when we reach the top of the tree as well... it might take us a couple of goes as well... but we will win...

 

[Dramoth]

Listen D... who expected Sydney to make the finals.. or Freo???

you had no expectations right???

But Ratten is on record saying the club had to win a final... and it couldnt beat the Swans....

Yep i support the club... doesnt mean i support mediocrity.

You supported Elliot wight???

Or Fev??

Did you???

lol

hypocrite!!! blahhhhhhhhhhhh

Nope... never supported Elliott.

I liked Fev when he was on song on the ground... but then so did everyone. However when he was hitting the papers for all the wrong reasons, then there was always a cringe of fear as to what sort of shit would he drag the club through. I would always give him the benefit of the doubt until proved otherwise.

I thought that Pagan, when he was brought to the club, would bring a few more years of success to the club because of his success with North never stopping to think that most of the players he had coached through his successful years at North came through the old under 19's system and they were all used to his coaching methods. Then when we had the massive clean out and a lot of our old players were forced into retirement or traded to other clubs because they didnt live up to what Pagan wanted for "his" team then I started having doubts about it...

I didnt blame him for the draft penalties... it was something that happened because of Elliott and his attitude to the AFL commission.

Then when we were mired at the bottom of the ladder for all those years, I never stopped supporting the club. I took the pain with the joy and there was a lot more pain but when it came to 2007 and we were regularly getting beaten by 10 goals or more, then it was time for Pagan to go.

I was nervous about Ratts becoming the next coach, but I saw in the 6 games he coached in 2007, the sudden improvement in the players and how they responded.

I firmly believe that the club is moving in the right direction and we are for the time being, being capably lead by those at the top. If something happens to change that belief, then I will support whoever is put in charge next. But until such times occur, then I am firmly behind the club.

It's hypocrites like yourself who want change when there is currently no need for change that pisses me off. Like I said, if we are 0/7 next season, then I will be one of those saying we need to get someone new in. But until such times, Ratts is still the coach of the club.

 

[Dramoth]

Everyone expects the club to make a few tweeks, i just cant handle this get rid of the coach scenario it is counter productive ask Richmond about that success.Ratten will adjust the game style over summer with a couple of new Assistants hopefully a fitter stronger list and make the finals and challenge for a flag. Hope springs eternal

this is how we should all be thinking

 

[Sin City]

Firstly, it is hard to discuss your posts with you while you construct them like a mentally challenged five year old. Please fix it because it's hard to take you seriously.

Yes but Ickes list was shithouse when he left them....

Bit like how Parkin left us... or Sheedy left Essendon.

So you fail!!!

But good try anyway....

No, their list was good enough for third on the ladder before he left and was seen as a future powerhouse.

Ball Jolly Brown???

yes but they made 2 perliminaries in a row... and the kids are coming along better than us.

you are poking fun at Malthouses list management???... theyre doing pretty good.

Yes they made preliminaries, but still realised they had to recruit players from other clubs to fix their weaknesses. No ones poking fun at Collingwood's list management, they've made a good team. it has taken them a long time though, they've been patient with him and allowed him a long time and they've had to look outside their own players to build that list. Surely if you give them credit for it then you can't knock Carlton for the same thing.

No Juddy...
No number 1 picks.. and been in a few p/ finals.

Swan, Shaw, Didak, Maxwell, Jolly, Ball, Presti are most of their best players and are in the prime of their careers. Only Judd, Waite and Simpson of our core players are in that age bracket.

The question you should be asking yourself..

Is why are Freo and Swans passing us?
Why did north beat us???
Why did we only beat the bottom 4 or 5 clubs in 15 odd games of footy but couldnt beat the teams around us??

We did a good job this year given that we lost Fevola and Stevens after last season as well as McLean and Kreuzer during the season. Money in the cap, potential trades and players coming back next year will strengthen our list up a lot.

who are the players coming on??

What is our style?
What is our frontal pressure like???

Skills???

And theyre older core players?
Who are thjey???

Players coming on? Murphy and Bower will be better next year after recovering from injury, Kreuzer, McLean and Houlihan will be back. More physical development for kids like Lucas, Davies, White, Yarran, Garlett, Robinson, Joseph, Hampson, Warnock, Henderson will pay dividends. Even guys like Russell and Simpson are still improving.

Our style is based on quick ball movement and finding the best options to pass to. Need better defensive pressure (injury problems to guys who specialise in this like Bower, Kreuzer and McLean doesn't help much) but we have so many young players that are improving at this and will improve further.

Frontal pressure? You can't be serious. Garlett, Betts, Yarran, Robinson. They're all excellent in this area. Even Waite and Henderson are very good for their type of player.

Skills are great when we're in control of the game in terms of pressure etc, this will continue to improve as our young players get better at taking control of the game. They need time, just like Collingwood were allowed.

If you're seriously asking who are Fremantle's and Sydney's older core players then I'm obviously wasting my time here.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Firstly, it is hard to discuss your posts with you while you construct them like a mentally challenged five year old. Please fix it because it's hard to take you seriously.



No, their list was good enough for third on the ladder before he left and was seen as a future powerhouse.



Yes they made preliminaries, but still realised they had to recruit players from other clubs to fix their weaknesses. No ones poking fun at Collingwood's list management, they've made a good team. it has taken them a long time though, they've been patient with him and allowed him a long time and they've had to look outside their own players to build that list. Surely if you give them credit for it then you can't knock Carlton for the same thing.



Swan, Shaw, Didak, Maxwell, Jolly, Ball, Presti are most of their best players and are in the prime of their careers. Only Judd, Waite and Simpson of our core players are in that age bracket.



We did a good job this year given that we lost Fevola and Stevens after last season as well as McLean and Kreuzer during the season. Money in the cap, potential trades and players coming back next year will strengthen our list up a lot.



Players coming on? Murphy and Bower will be better next year after recovering from injury, Kreuzer, McLean and Houlihan will be back. More physical development for kids like Lucas, Davies, White, Yarran, Garlett, Robinson, Joseph, Hampson, Warnock, Henderson will pay dividends. Even guys like Russell and Simpson are still improving.

Our style is based on quick ball movement and finding the best options to pass to. Need better defensive pressure (injury problems to guys who specialise in this like Bower, Kreuzer and McLean doesn't help much) but we have so many young players that are improving at this and will improve further.

Frontal pressure? You can't be serious. Garlett, Betts, Yarran, Robinson. They're all excellent in this area. Even Waite and Henderson are very good for their type of player.

Skills are great when we're in control of the game in terms of pressure etc, this will continue to improve as our young players get better at taking control of the game. They need time, just like Collingwood were allowed.

If you're seriously asking who are Fremantle's and Sydney's older core players then I'm obviously wasting my time here.

5 players are frontal pressure.

borwer and who are up at the top level?

who are collingwoods older core???

we have a gameplan???

lol

yeah nice

so how come we lost to everyone in the last 15 odd games or was it 16 odd games except the bottom 5 teams???

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

By the way everyone steam is young.

Except the Dogs and Cats and Saints.

After next year with a few retirements.. everyones team will be young....

Thats what everybody says.

But some clubs are young and impressive.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Everyone expects the club to make a few tweeks, i just cant handle this get rid of the coach scenario it is counter productive ask Richmond about that success.Ratten will adjust the game style over summer with a couple of new Assistants hopefully a fitter stronger list and make the finals and challenge for a flag. Hope springs eternal

No Richmond just kept gettingt he wrong coaches.
Ex players
Big names.
No process.

And look at them now... 30 years in the darkness.

Its only 15 for us... i suppose...

Just give Ratts a few more years...

 

[Sin City]

5 players are frontal pressure.

borwer and who are up at the top level?

who are collingwoods older core???

we have a gameplan???

lol

yeah nice

so how come we lost to everyone in the last 15 odd games or was it 16 odd games except the bottom 5 teams???

You really are a boring little snot, that's for sure. You must just have one post that copy, paste and tinker with constantly.

Yes, our forwards are the ones who provide forward pressure, gee that's hard to figure out isn't it. As I've pointed out the guys we have doing it are all known for doing it very well.

I've already written about Collingwood's older core twice. Seriously, learn to read.

Yes, we have a game plan. We're still developing and it's pretty obvious we need to be out pressuring our opponents to execute it properly. It will come with having our full team to choose from and further development into our long list of talented young players.

This was always going to be a development year after the players we lost. Anyone who's being realistic understands this and we did a pretty good job all things considered.

You really are an idiot. Quit while you're behind.