Suicide

[dogboy23]

It is different when someone is suffering in physical pain.What I am against is people with perfectly good physical health taking there own life when there are so many people out there who dont get a choice whether or not they get a properly functioning body.

 

[TADS]

Originally posted by dogboy23
It is different when someone is suffering in physical pain.What I am against is people with perfectly good physical health taking there own life when there are so many people out there who dont get a choice whether or not they get a properly functioning body.

Dog Boy, people who are in good physical health don't commit suicide. Physical is also including the mind a chemical imbalance of the brain or something similiar is physical as the brain is a muscle.

I get your point as I have work with those who have no choice but to live with there physical inablities - but I think you need to think about this before you make judgement on others

 

[dogboy23]

Originally posted by TADS


Dog Boy, people who are in good physical health don't commit suicide. Physical is also including the mind a chemical imbalance of the brain or something similiar is physical as the brain is a muscle.

I get your point as I have work with those who have no choice but to live with there physical inablities - but I think you need to think about this before you make judgement on others

Do you think I havent thought about it?I live in Sunbury which we are told has one of the highest drug use and youth suicide rates in Victoria.I have been exposed to this stuff alot more than alot of people seem to think I would have.Of all the kids my sister has grown up in hospital with(she has Cystic Fibrosis) she is the only one still alive out of what would have been a group of atleast 150.They seem to cope alright with there lives they are always happy never complaining about the amount of pain they go through and then you get people going away and necking themselves because lifes all a bit tough for them.I cannot and will not except it as a reasonable excuse.We have all had our rough patches at work,with mates,girls or whatever but you have got to put it into perspective.

 

[TADS]

It is the ones that have challenges in life with a illness and learn to live with it that are brave. That is all illnesses.

It is the ones that don't have the illnesses and have to cope with it all, that find it harder. Because we know the difference, we know what life is like without a illness, they don't, that is their life and that is how they have to live with it.

Some decide life is better for all including themselves without out them living it and some decide that living life with help from others and determination is worth it - even though it gets tough.

I am lucky I have a simple life and I have not had to much go wrong in my life. I have my health and the only things that have upset in my life have been of my own doing. And I was lucky that those around me have supported me. There have been times life is lonely, but I get over that.

Dog Boy, you should be proud of your attitude that you will not give up and let statistics control your life.

You talk about perspective, people in these circumstances have different perceptives than you and others that is the difference.

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by dogboy23
We have all had our rough patches at work,with mates,girls or whatever but you have got to put it into perspective.

Maybe those people are suffering from depression? Sure worrying about rough patches at work or school doesn't classify as depression but maybe the ones who can't cope with it are truly suffering depression.

I've known someone who was diagnosed as having depression and it all stemed from selling their house. May be trival but the slighest things can trigger depression.

 

[Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk]

If people want to kill themselves the selfish ones are the ones wanting them to go on like that. We don't chose to come here so it's only fair that we can chose to go.

 

[FishLips]

I've wanted to kill myself a lot of times.

I hate you all!

 

[Sly77]

Where would a suicide debate be without the statement "how selfish of them"?

Suicide is a serious issue. And what is even scarier is that a large portion of people who contemplate/attempt to end their lives are quite often those who the public see as being strong and in control of their lives. Outwardly they have all the poise and confidence that fools everyone into believing they know what they are on about, quite often they're the one's that everyone else goes to for advice and in the end not only do they have their own inner turmoils eating them up, but the problems of everyone else churning around inside of them. And as with Rohan's experiences, it can be the things which we dont see as being THAT important in the context of things which can throw people over. This can especially be the case with people who are high achievers and place high expectations on themselves.

And to those who can't understand how a person could bestow such hurt onto their family and friends, what you don't realise, is that by the time someone gets to that stage they are so involved in themselves and withdrawn from everyone around them, that they honestly believe that it would be in the best interests of everyone if they werent here. Strange concept to try and understand I know, but the brain can do some wierd things. And calling them selfish is not doing justice to the seriousness of depression.

The hardest thing is that quite often it's too late before those close to them find out exactly what state the person had worked themselves up into.

You cant really "watch out" for signs, but I suppose it comes down to picking up on the subtle hints those close to you may send out, and make sure you're always there with open arms when they want to catch up for a chat, or want to go check out a movie.

A general rule of my life is to cherish every moment, and always be true to myself, I guess its also the rule I apply to those around me too.

 

[Slax]

Originallyposted by Dogboy23

Slax I am not being a smartarse but the only one of the reasons listed that is an excuse to take your own life is a medical problem and then only if the pain has become to much.IMO the rest can all be dealt with in many better ways than suicide.

Reason or notit still happens. Anyway i left out the main one, family problems.

Fact: Highest cause of death in White males living in rural communities between 30-49 suicide.

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by Sly77

And to those who can't understand how a person could bestow such hurt onto their family and friends, what you don't realise, is that by the time someone gets to that stage they are so involved in themselves and withdrawn from everyone around them, that they honestly believe that it would be in the best interests of everyone if they werent here.

I totally agree with this statement. It is not selfish and anyone who suggests otherwise is not very compassionate.

That is one of the reasons why I didn't blame my friend for putting his family through so much hurt. Maybe at the time I thought he was selfish but as I got older, I realized he thought he was doing it for the best of everyone. Yes it is highly irrational but the troubles he was going through clouded his judgement

 

[cutecub]

where was I when u started this thread, wanna no me view on suicide, ASK MY WRISTS. ask my school mates, no wait, ask CHRISTINE, who, no wait, i won't tell u wot she done, cuz apparently she was helping me.. riight