Suicide

[Hudu Gurusingha]

Seconded.

Thirded

 

[Hudu Gurusingha]

Years ago I went through a bad patch after a break up. I just felt ambivalent to life, and not necessarily suicidal but more like I felt life was pointless. Anyway it felt like a death sentence at the time but I'm my normal self these days. What I discovered later is these feelings were actually related to physical problems even though they played out psychologically. This is certainly not the case for everyone, but my advice is always always see your GP (and a psychologist if you can) in this situation. Also it sounds trite but you do learn a lot during the dark periods and come out stronger on the other side. But yeah IMHO chat to your GP...and second the comment about changing jobs!

What I think is also understated is the role chemical/steroid imbalances play - things completely outside the individual's control and nothing to do with someone's circumstances. Someone's depression and anxiety may have little to do with their lifestyle, but a lot to do with their own physiological make up.The effect of these imbalances can be so severe that people can't convince themselves to see that its not 'them', its just their body and the chemicals running through it.

Stressful life circumstances, like a stressful job, family problems combined with physical issues magnify the effect of these imbalances.

Personally, it has kind of got me thinking that no matter what I change with my circumstances, like getting a new job for example, my anxiety will always remain no matter what situation in life Im in.

I wonder if there was more awareness out there, and more promotion of a "its not me, its my body" kind of attitude if this would help those who suffer from depression and anxiety understand the illness.

 

[Off The Couch]

It has kind of got me thinking that no matter what I change with my circumstances, like getting a new job for example, my anxiety will always remain no matter what situation in life Im in.

Which is why you have to focus on addressing your anxiety first

 

[blackcat]

What I think is also understated is the role chemical/steroid imbalances play - things completely outside the individual's control and nothing to do with someone's circumstances. Someone's depression and anxiety may have little to do with their lifestyle, but a lot to do with their own physiological make up.The effect of these imbalances can be so severe that people can't convince themselves to see that its not 'them', its just their body and the chemicals running through it.

Stressful life circumstances, like a stressful job, family problems combined with physical issues magnify the effect of these imbalances.

Personally, it has kind of got me thinking that no matter what I change with my circumstances, like getting a new job for example, my anxiety will always remain no matter what situation in life Im in.

I wonder if there was more awareness out there, and more promotion of a "its not me, its my body" kind of attitude if this would help those who suffer from depression and anxiety understand the illness.

the Boston Atlantic editor Scott Stossel recently wrote a tome on anxiety
http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/174249/my-age-of-anxiety-by-scott-stossel/ riff on WHAuden

 

[PP34]

Interesting thread. While I've never even considered suicide, I have tended to have a lot more down periods since finishing high school.

Not seeing my mates everyday, not having much money, going to uni and not knowing where that's leading and in general just being without a purpose for so much of every week tends to affect me a fair bit.

I see a few people at my work (supermarket) that are in their mid 20s, still stuck doing shift work at a supermarket and it worries me.

I've always got the thought that I'll end up like them, not knowing what to do in life, stuck working at a supermarket.

 

[blackcat]

I don't see a coward, cowards hide from their emotions, not run, not talk about, not admit, they hide. Generally by hurting others and maneuvering themselves into positions of power. People who think deeply about suicide, understand that when thought deeply it is a rational, very compassionate and considerate option. They have so much to offer to humanity when they come out the side of such deep thought. The more you have to offer, normally means the more curve balls lifes thrown you, will throw you.

and wont something like lifeline just be an aid at 4:48am? just someone's ear?

 

[skilts]

Pretty embarassed by this post, in hindsight. My attitude towards suicide has changed since then.

This is as it should be.

 

[PaddyO]

They preach pharmaceutical propaganda. This is a problem if your depression is caused from pharmaceuticals and their unethical behaviors. They just refer you to someone who'll more than likely kick you in the teeth.

Pls mate. Not everything is a dire conspiracy.

Lifeline is staffed by caring volunteers, not some evil puppets of big pharma. I can introduce you to multiple people who are alive today only because of Lifeline.

 

[little graham]

Pls mate. Not everything is a dire conspiracy.

Lifeline is staffed by caring volunteers, not some evil puppets of big pharma. I can introduce you to multiple people who are alive today only because of Lifeline.

You are certain kind of special.


You didn't listen to what i said. I never said they weren't staffed by caring people. However, since you brought up volunteers, why should i trust my health to a voice on the phone who'll never meet, who is only a volunteer? Most doctors turn a blind eye know, whats going on, most psych nurses are the dregs of nursing and commit full on atrocities against patients, yet claim their health professionals, you expect a volunteer to know different?

Why don't you ring lifeline and see what they say when you express you were lied to by a psychiatrist, told you had a chemical balance and that theres no test for it,that its been admitted in court the chemical imbalance theory is a marketing ploy of a pharmaceutical. See how you go. There's thousands of people like this in this country. They need acknowledgement. Lifeline is shouting them down.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

You are certain kind of special.


You didn't listen to what i said. I never said they weren't staffed by caring people. However, since you brought up volunteers, why should i trust my health to a voice on the phone who'll never meet, who is only a volunteer? Most doctors turn a blind eye know whats going on, most psych nurses are the dregs of nursing and commit full on atrocities against patients, yet claim their health professionals, you expect a volunteer to know different?

Why don't you ring lifeline and see what they say when you express you were lied to by a psychiatrist, told you had a chemical balance and that theres no test for it,that its been admitted in court the chemical imbalance theory is a marketing ploy of a pharmaceutical. See how you go. There's thousands of people like this in this country. They need acknowledgement. Lifeline is shouting them down.

This shit again. Get yo'self ****ed

 

[little graham]

This shit again. Get yo'self stuffed

Let me guess, you're a psych nurse? Some of the ones i know are the biggest sheep around. Most drink or gamble or do drugs to shut out what they're doing to people.

You should be presenting studies and evidence to say I'm wrong. But you can't. So you resort to emotion like this.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Let me guess, you're a psych nurse? Some of the ones i know are the biggest sheep around. Most drink or gamble or do drugs to shut out what they're doing to people.

You should be presenting studies and evidence to say I'm wrong. But you can't. So you resort to emotion like this.

Crap. your the one that claims " most psych nurses are the dregs of nursing and commit full on atrocities against patients", yet you ask me to provide evidence?

I know you're anti-psych meds (and I actually agree with some of your postings on the subject) but your sweeping generalisations don't assist your arguments

 

[blackcat]

Why don't you ring lifeline and see what they say when you express you were lied to by a psychiatrist, told you had a chemical balance and that theres no test for it,that its been admitted in court the chemical imbalance theory is a marketing ploy of a pharmaceutical. See how you go. There's thousands of people like this in this country. They need acknowledgement. Lifeline is shouting them down.

but LG, purely instrumental, at 4.48 in the middle of the night, some people might just need an ear not to top themself, and they would not go to triage at the district hospital

 

[PaddyO]

You are certain kind of special.


You didn't listen to what i said. I never said they weren't staffed by caring people. However, since you brought up volunteers, why should i trust my health to a voice on the phone who'll never meet, who is only a volunteer? Most doctors turn a blind eye know, whats going on, most psych nurses are the dregs of nursing and commit full on atrocities against patients, yet claim their health professionals, you expect a volunteer to know different?

Why don't you ring lifeline and see what they say when you express you were lied to by a psychiatrist, told you had a chemical balance and that theres no test for it,that its been admitted in court the chemical imbalance theory is a marketing ploy of a pharmaceutical. See how you go. There's thousands of people like this in this country. They need acknowledgement. Lifeline is shouting them down.

 

[PaddyO]

You are certain kind of special..

Being offensive is not necessary in a civil conversation mate.

You didn't listen to what i said. I never said they weren't staffed by caring people. However, since you brought up volunteers, why should i trust my health to a voice on the phone who'll never meet, who is only a volunteer?.

Because they are trained volunteers who are there to talk and hopefully dissuade someone from suicide. You're talking to them not "trusting your health to them". I can get plenty of testimonies from people whose life has been saved by Lifeline. And it's a known fact that no one really wants to take their own life, but that people do when they can see no options. Trained volunteers can (and have and do) help people to see options.

Most doctors turn a blind eye know, whats going on, most psych nurses are the dregs of nursing and commit full on atrocities against patients, yet claim their health professionals, you expect a volunteer to know different?.

Institutions all over are notorious for not looking after people in the past, but I hardly think mental health treatment decades ago is relevant to a discussion on how Lifeline could help someone who is suicidal tonight, is it? Weirdest argument. And offensive to mental health professionals everywhere who do their utmost in dealing with difficult patients in a caring respectful way.

Why don't you ring lifeline and see what they say when you express you were lied to by a psychiatrist, told you had a chemical balance and that theres no test for it,that its been admitted in court the chemical imbalance theory is a marketing ploy of a pharmaceutical. See how you go. There's thousands of people like this in this country. They need acknowledgement. Lifeline is shouting them down.

What on earth do you even mean by this?

 

[Smiling Buddha]

I see a few people at my work (supermarket) that are in their mid 20s, still stuck doing shift work at a supermarket and it worries me.

I've always got the thought that I'll end up like them, not knowing what to do in life, stuck working at a supermarket.

What's wrong with that? Most people today work boring, pointless jobs. Why is the shelf-stacker's job any worse than the accountant's job or the lawyer's job or the actuary's job? Other than the money, of course, but even then, when you are wasting your life in meaningless work, what difference does it make how much money you have to show for it? You can never buy back time, and when you are on your death bed, you won't be wishing you had made and spent more slave-credits.

And at least with the shelf-stackers, they don't have to take their work home with them. Clock on, clock off, see you next Monday for another round of nightfill. If they let me listen to my mp3 player during work, I would consider becoming a shelf-stacker for a while. I have seen guys get away with this at the local supermarket...

 

[Smiling Buddha]

Why don't you ring lifeline and see what they say when you express you were lied to by a psychiatrist, told you had a chemical balance and that theres no test for it,that its been admitted in court the chemical imbalance theory is a marketing ploy of a pharmaceutical. See how you go. There's thousands of people like this in this country. They need acknowledgement. Lifeline is shouting them down.

It is criminal that there are still people out there pushing the 'chemical imbalance' myth.

If the masses of the world ever woke up to the medical scam or the psychiatric scam, people would be hanging from trees. Lots of people. I mean lots.

 

[little graham]

It is criminal that there are still people out there pushing the 'chemical imbalance' myth.

If the masses of the world ever woke up to the medical scam or the psychiatric scam, people would be hanging from trees. Lots of people. I mean lots.

And my point in this thread before a couple of psych nurses took offense was that the victims of this scam on regular occasions ring lifeline.

Sometimes they get straight out abuse, other times refereed to agencies that want there story kept quiet because the agency are pushing the chemical imbalance fraud themselves. Sometimes there's phone attendants who know what goes on but are powerless to help.

Doctors and nurses are threatening and violating victims of this fraud and it's costing life's.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Did it just get a little Scientology in here?

 

[PaddyO]

And my point in this thread before a couple of psych nurses took offense was that the victims of this scam on regular occasions ring lifeline.

Sometimes they get straight out abuse, other times refereed to agencies that want there story kept quiet because the agency are pushing the chemical imbalance fraud themselves. Sometimes there's phone attendants who know what goes on but are powerless to help.

Doctors and nurses are threatening and violating victims of this fraud and it's costing life's.

Pls provide some substantial evidence for the following statements you made:

- People who have been "straight out abused" by Lifeline.
- People who have been referred to agencies by Lifeline within the mental health field that are fraudulent.
- Phone attendants who "know what goes on but are powerless to help"

Pls. I can't wait.

 

[blackcat]

Pls provide some substantial evidence for the following statements you made:

- People who have been "straight out abused" by Lifeline.
- People who have been referred to agencies by Lifeline within the mental health field that are fraudulent.
- Phone attendants who "know what goes on but are powerless to help"

Pls. I can't wait.

thing is, there is not always a solution. but the brain of man is wired to seek remedy, believing a remedy exists. i hope for anyone suffering, remedy indeed exists, but if you axiomatically believe, it could be false hope, and not grounded in truth. the opposite side is, the urban australian, has it about greater than anyother person that has lived in mans existence. THIS DOES NOT DOWNPLAY the shit, since that is absolute, cant be ameliorated or tempered by such platitudes. it actually could make it worse for those disrepaired, with the dichotomy/binary

 

[Off The Couch]

Lordy - getting a little heavy, can't you lot take it to SRP

 

[PP34]

What's wrong with that? Most people today work boring, pointless jobs. Why is the shelf-stacker's job any worse than the accountant's job or the lawyer's job or the actuary's job? Other than the money, of course, but even then, when you are wasting your life in meaningless work, what difference does it make how much money you have to show for it? You can never buy back time, and when you are on your death bed, you won't be wishing you had made and spent more slave-credits.

And at least with the shelf-stackers, they don't have to take their work home with them. Clock on, clock off, see you next Monday for another round of nightfill. If they let me listen to my mp3 player during work, I would consider becoming a shelf-stacker for a while. I have seen guys get away with this at the local supermarket...

Because I don't want to work a boring, pointless job. There's a guy in particular who looks like he's sick of what he's doing on a daily basis. Money isn't the issue, it's a nice thing to have in a capitalist society but it doesn't dictate any decisions I make really.

I guess you're not taking the work home, but trust me, working at a supermarket (particularly where I am daily can get you down). Seeing the same people doing and buying the exact same things on a weekly basis can be shit. Especially the alcoholics, smokers or old people who are either in horrid states (alcohol or tobacco effected) or they're lonely because people around them are dying or they're just lacking the social life they once had.

As a student I don't normally work heaps weekly, but I had a few weeks where I did and I genuinely left after those weeks with some bizarre feelings.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, but recently have been having weird thoughts that I think would help to share. In times of major stress and when I'm feeling overwhelmed, almost always involving work, I find my mind resorting to thoughts like "well I could just resort to ending it all" - as in that would be one way to get rid of all the agony of my anxieties. I go as far as thinking about what would it be like to do it, how Id do it and the aftermath. The feelings of anxiety and being overwhelmed are at their worst first thing in the morning or during intense times at work. I struggle to get out of bed, and getting ready for work I'm a complete mess.

I know Id never do anything, I could never do it to my fiance, friends and family. And I don't want to do it - I've got too much to live for. Any normal person would look at my life and say its great. I have great friends and family, am healthy and have lots of opportunities. But these thoughts just creep in my mind - as if its some form of comfort to know that there is a way out if things get too out of hard.

Are these normal? Should I be worried? Anyone experienced anything similar?

Just came across this post, and haven't read the posts since, but initial response is.... no it's not normal.

When I was diagnosed with depression, I realised that I had been suffering from it since at least the past year (and other small periods of time before that) unnoticed, and that I had slowly gotten worse and worse until I had no doubt something was wrong with me and I had to go see a GP.

And it started as what I perceived to be harmless thoughts as "man this day sucks, i really wish I could kill myself", in a way that was half joking half serious, and I also had the same notion as you that I would never do it.

And I never even batted an eyelid at the start. I just kept saying it every day, throughout the day, and I specifically remember at one point I thought "aghh this sucks, I should just kill myself" and then thought "wait what the hell am I saying? Is this normal? I know I'm going through some tough shit right now, but is it normal to be thinking this?"

Posing the exact same question as you. But I never addressed it, never thought about it much later, and I just continued on my downward spiral.

I don't think you should of it as normal. It might not be depression or suicidal thoughts per se, but it is a bad mentality to set. I have had those thoughts even when I wasn't depressed, heck, I wouldn't doubt if I had the quick thought of wanting to kill myself when things get rough.

Is that normal? Yes (depending on what we deem as normal)... but it's not something you should accept. It's not going to be a quick or easy to change such a mindset, but it might save your life. It might even make your life better.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

2 more opinions

I grew to empathise with those who have committed suicide. While people might consider them cowards and such, I don't.

As someone who has been so depressed that they don't think it could feel any worse, and has fleetingly attempted, or at least seriously thought, of suicide, but did not have the strength (for the lack of a better word) to go through with it.... I god ****ing dammit cannot even begin to imagine how bad it must have felt for those who actually have committed suicide.

I felt like it couldn't get any worse for me, but committing suicide is by no means easy. It's quite sick really. On the one hand, everything in your mind is telling you to ****ing do it. That it can't get any better, that even just breathing is unbearable. But then taking your life, when it comes down to it, is so against your nature that it's like a sick game someone has forced you to bear through.

But if I thought life couldn't get any worse, and I couldn't go through with it, how ****ing bad were those who actually did commit suicide, feeling at the time?

I dunno. Food for thought lol