Suicide

[Johnny619]

Suicide is the most selfish act possible.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Suicide is the most selfish act possible.

Why?

 

[Johnny619]

Why?

because

I knew someone who took his life at the start of the year -

wasn't cool in the way he went about it - instead of dealing with his shit, he magnified it and put it all on the girl he supposedly loved...

and

People who commit suicide have zero sympathy from me, can't handle their problems so they throw all their burden on the loved ones left behind.

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

If you don't understand why someone did it then you didn't understand them whilst they were alive.

It's your problem.

 

[Johnny619]

If you don't understand why someone did it then you didn't understand them whilst they were alive.

It's your problem.

Not if they keep it to themselves. Even if you did understand them when they were alive, it doesn't make it easier on you when they are gone and everything may be on you.

 

[carn tigez]

Sometimes, these people may have actually tried everything (including moving away, beginning a new life elsewhere etc.). They may have tried their best to solve their problems in life, but haven't succeeded and have fallen short. Therefore, I can understand why some people in these situations believe death is the only escape.
I've suffered depression before and suicide was something that briefly crossed my mind (never considered it as an option, however). I want to ensure I never put myself through the awful feeling of despair that depression brings again.

Yeah ok, fair enough.

Personally I'm of the view that while depression is a serious and highly prevalent problem in society, it is preventable and treatable in the early stages.

It is possible to fight it and to beat it either before you 'contract' it or before it comes too serious, and those that allow it to engulf them without putting up a fight I struggle to empathize with. And from my point of view, it is those that don't put up a fight that are the ones that tend to look to suicide as a solution.

This is a generalisation though, Olivia Penpraze is one example where I can completely understand her outlook on life and why she did what she did, and it saddens me immensely.

But the exception should not disqualify the rule, and I don't think advocating suicide such as what has been indirectly implied in this thread a few times is appropriate.

 

[mellowyellow]

Suicide is the most selfish act possible.

Many feel that their passing would be best for all the important people in there life and as illogical it may seem to you ,they in fact may see it as selfless

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

People who commit suicide have zero sympathy from me, can't handle their problems so they throw all their burden on the loved ones left behind. Rot.

The majority of those that commit suicide feel they already are a burden to those around them.

Hope you rot

 

[Hard_to_Beat]

Not if they keep it to themselves. Even if you did understand them when they were alive, it doesn't make it easier on you when they are gone and everything may be on you.

They should stay alive and miserable because you can't deal with your guilt?

Who's being the selfish one now?

 

[Norwegian Blue]

So let's talk suicide.

Do you have a suicide plan?

I thought your plan was to top yourself if you didn't get made a Bay 13 mod? Still living (pun intended) in hope?

 

[buddyruff]

People who commit suicide have zero sympathy from me, can't handle their problems so they throw all their burden on the loved ones left behind. Rot.

What a shithouse thing to say
Just wait until you have someone you know who takes their life, I'm sure your insensitive, childish opinions will change forever.

 

[Changaneen]

**** I hate this attitude. Seriously.

Someone feels like they have to end their life. Kill themselves, go against every basic instinct for survival and physically end their lives for all of eternity...and you think you can sit back and judge that? And understand how that could possibly feel? How can you ever be in a situation where you think you actually can judge what these people's lives are like.

Furthermore, for a lot of suicide victims/depression sufferers, a lot of their thought processes end up being that the people around them would be better off if they were dead, or that they're nothing but a burden on their families. This, especially is my experience with people close to me who've suffered depression. Your attitude does absolutely nothing to help anyone who has these thoughts, your lack of understanding is typical and you're full of shit.

From David Foster Wallace:

"The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire's flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It's not desiring the fall; it's terror of the flame yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don‘t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You'd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."

Your talking here of an immediate physical threat, be burnt or jump. People that jump would do so in the thought that they may in some way survive. You cant compare this to suicide.

 

[Gough]

Your talking here of an immediate physical threat, be burnt or jump. People that jump would do so in the thought that they may in some way survive. You cant compare this to suicide.

Learn to think metaphorically.
David Foster Wallace topped himself.

 

[Off The Couch]

My nephew recently committed suicide and nothing anyone said or did was going to change what he did. It was always going to be a matter of when.

He leaves behind a beautiful daughter, heartbroken family and friends and all because he didn't believe he was worthy.
It was a selfish act and we have all ranted at that selfishness at some time over the last few months but in saying that we hope he know longer walks in the shadow of darkness. I wonder though when he took that final step if he pondered the questions, the legal mess, the grief, the residual and future hurt that you leave behind - if he did I don't think he would of gone ahead with it.

Suicide is not the answer and if you are feeling that way please I implore reach out for help.

 

[WinmarToLockett]

There was a brilliant article in Rolling Stone after David's suicide. If you can find a copy somewhere, it's well worth the read. It disappeared online a while ago, unfortunately.

 

[bunsen burner]

It really made me realise what a f****** selfish thing this is to do to your loved ones.

Nothing can that be that bad that you cant walk away from and start all over again without throwing this shit on those left behind.

<places head on palm>

1. It's not about the family and loved ones. What's selfish is someone thinking they are inconvenienced by someone who has depression bad enough to kill themselves.

2. You clearly have no real understanding of depression.

 

[bunsen burner]

People who commit suicide have zero sympathy from me, can't handle their problems so they throw all their burden on the loved ones left behind. Rot.

Please read above post. You really have no understanding of depression and they only one who is selfish is the person who thinks they are inconvenienced (emotionally) by someone else's suicide.

 

[Changaneen]

<places head on palm>

1. It's not about the family and loved ones. What's selfish is someone thinking they are inconvenienced by someone who has depression bad enough to kill themselves.

2. You clearly have no real understanding of depression.

I clearly do have a feeling of whats left behind though, my wifes niece took her own life, my son inlaws brother took his own life. All around me are people picking up the shattered pieces, while those that did it have no responsibility now.

And yes i do clearly have an understanding of depression, i also have people very close that are suffering or have suffered and rather than commit suicide are actively seeking treatment.

 

[bunsen burner]

Can you tell me why these people can't pack up and move away, starting a new life somewhere else?

You can't get a bus and run away from depression. Depression doesn't live in someone's home town, it lives in their brain.

Imagine someone who had depression and then they won $50m in Lotto. They still got that shit in their head that makes them doubt and feel depressed. This is why you often see people with the world at their feet with depression. You can't just walk away from it.

 

[bunsen burner]

It's a personal choice.

I tend to think it's a byproduct of people that take themselves and/or life too seriously.

depression isn't a choice.

Gee there's some ****ing idiots in this thread.

 

[bunsen burner]

I clearly do have a feeling of whats left behind though, my wifes niece took her own life, my son inlaws brother took his own life. All around me are people picking up the shattered pieces, while those that did it have no responsibility now.

Does your wife feel that her niece is selfish? Because if she does, then it's actually her who is the selfish one. If she doesn't then you are the selfish one.

 

[bunsen burner]

My nephew recently committed suicide

It was a selfish act and we have all ranted at that selfishness at some time over the last few months .

Can't believe you actually think this rubbish. Your nephew had depression to the point he killed himself and you and your family all think it's about you. Get your head out of your arses. No wonder he topped himself with a family of selfish self absorbed pricks like you.

 

[Changaneen]

Does your wife feel that her niece is selfish? Because if she does, then it's actually her who is the selfish one. If she doesn't then you are the selfish one.

My wife feels all kinds of emotions, grief, sadness, anger.......left to wonder why ? Its very possible to love someone very much, but also be very angry aswell. And when they arent around anymore to answer questions theres my point. Ive been affected by suicide in a few ways, and there is nothing that can convince me that it is not a very selfish act.

 

[bunsen burner]

My wife feels all kinds of emotions, grief, sadness, anger.......left to wonder why ? Its very possible to love someone very much, but also be very angry aswell. And when they aren't around anymore to answer questions, there's my point. Ive been affected by suicide in a few ways, and there is nothing that can convince me that it is not a very selfish act.

That's precisely my point too. Read it again. Your wife is essentially upset because she can't have closure. "Me me me me me". She's thinking of herself.

tip: It's not about her.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Please read above post. You really have no understanding of depression and they only one who is selfish is the person who thinks they are inconvenienced (emotionally) by someone else's suicide.

i agree with bunsen and not just because he's commenting on a poseidon post.
people who lack empathy have little understanding of depression and struggle with the aftermath of a suicide.