Suicide

[carn tigez]

No buts. They are different and you're trying to base your line of arguing on an apples to oranges comparison. And about the dumbo remark: some people are so out of their league it's better not to argue but rather taunt. That be you.

No buts? I wonder if that would hold up in any debate, court of law or any other regulated/moderated discussion forum

It would be very easy to win arguments if you could pick and choose which points are worthy of a rebuttal and which are not at your own discretion.

Elitist ****

 

[bunsen burner]

Well of course his nephew's suicide has inconvenienced him and his family, it's what happens with every death. Aren't families allowed to grieve for departed loved ones?

What part of this did you not understand:

Okay:
I miss my nephew. I wish he didn't do it.
I am saddened that my nephew had depression and couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel

Not okay:
My nephew is selfish because he left people to grieve

?????

I'm a slow learner and my post is rubbish? Whatever mate.

See above. Proof is in pudding.

 

[HappyChappy35]

What part of this did you not understand:

?????

See above. Proof is in pudding.

What is so selfish about grieving for a lost family member? And again, there is no need for you to label others as such for doing so. You just don't seem to quite have a grasp on this (among other things).

 

[BLPC08]

i dont know. something, anything. for it to at least be enjoyable.

all i know is one day i'm going to die and the world will be no better and no worse but at least i won't feel like shit everyday

Sex is good. Have more sex.

Chocolate is good. Eat more chocolate.

Movies/TV shows are funny. Watch more comedy.

I just made your life better

 

[Deddy]

Some deep shit has happened in the last year for me.

A family member attempting to commit suicide is not the easiest thing to deal with for a teenager. She never showed any signs of being upset or anything, really shocked me.

I plea to everyone contemplating suicide not to do it. I still haven't got over it nor has my family or any of her friends. I'm just glad she didn't succeed.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

It seems there are a number of posters in this thread who are only stopping themselves from ending it all because of concern for what happens to people 'left behind'.

The ontological basis underpinning this notion that anything could be 'left behind' deserves more scrutiny and is not one I share

Although I'm not entirely convinced the premise is true, explain why you believe your assertion.

 

[jpkennedy]

Tiff, I'm really sorry about your mate. That is such a sad story.

I am so fortunate to have never been so low to ever think about suicide, nor have I been close to anyone who has committed suicide. I think about my family, and how much they mean to me, and I know that I could never do it to them. I think people commit suicide because they can't see a way out, they can't see things getting any better. I'm lucky that I know that things for me will always be okay in the end.

Sorry if this post is simplistic, it's just my understanding.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Can you tell me why these people can't pack up and move away, starting a new life somewhere else?

Sometimes these people just feel inept, so they would feel unable to move elsewhere and start a new life. They're barely managing with the life they already have.

Some deep shit has happened in the last year for me.

A family member attempting to commit suicide is not the easiest thing to deal with for a teenager. .

That's odd because 3 people in my family have tried to commit suicide, 1 of them was successful, and I was present in the other two and it really didn't bother me. In fact once I neutralised the threat, I just became bored and I went to sleep.

 

[Deddy]

That's odd because 3 people in my family have tried to commit suicide, 1 of them was successful, and I was present in the other two and it really didn't bother me. In fact once I neutralised the threat, I just became bored and I went to sleep.

Not sure if serious or just complete dousche.

 

[checkraiseulite]

I don't think suicide is necessarily selfish.

I do think it's selfish when people simply disappear and don't tell their friends/families (whether they commit suicide or just leave and try and start a fresh). You see a lot of this, and the not knowing always seems to destroy the families.

 

[bunsen burner]

What is so selfish about grieving for a lost family member? And again, there is no need for you to label others as such for doing so. You just don't seem to quite have a grasp on this (among other things).

I don't recall ever saying grieving was not okay. Can you show me where I said that?

And you wonder why I taunt people like you for being dumb arses. </face in palm>

 

[skilts]

It ceases to amaze me that the friends and family of those who commit suicide are so angry at the actions of the perpetrator of this crime. They profess undying love and admiration for the dead person. Why can not that admiration extend to an appreciation of the decision taken by their beloved to cease to be here? Yep, I'm really pissed off with selfish 'Joe' for taking a decision with which I disagree, as if it matters to 'Joe' that they're really pissed off. All of a sudden, 'Joe' goes from being a loved one to an arseh*le.

I can think of lots of reasons to commit suicide. My reason for not doing so is that I want to know what happens. I'm a fizzgig. Others know what's happened and what is happening to them in their lives, and no longer want to endure it. To suicide is, for them, a valid decision. Arguably, the question is not why people commit suicide, but why more don't. After all, if you're really serious about doing it, there's nothing stopping you. A multi-storey building is available to most.

 

[mantis]

It ceases to amaze me that the friends and family of those who commit suicide are so angry at the actions of the perpetrator of this crime. They profess undying love and admiration for the dead person. Why can not that admiration extend to an appreciation of the decision taken by their beloved to cease to be here? Yep, I'm really pissed off with selfish 'Joe' for taking a decision with which I disagree, as if it matters to 'Joe' that they're really pissed off. All of a sudden, 'Joe' goes from being a loved one to an arseh*le.

I can think of lots of reasons to commit suicide. My reason for not doing so is that I want to know what happens. I'm a fizzgig. Others know what's happened and what is happening to them in their lives, and no longer want to endure it. To suicide is, for them, a valid decision. Arguably, the question is not why people commit suicide, but why more don't. After all, if you're really serious about doing it, there's nothing stopping you. A multi-storey building is available to most.

A bottle of scotch & a handful of pills is much easier & less messy.

 

[Caesar]

Waste of good scotch.

 

[skilts]

A bottle of scotch & a handful of pills is much easier & less messy.

I have seen someone attempt just this. All well until he vomited up the pills. A steep fall with a sudden landing is more reliable. It has the added advantage of not being able to be misinterpreted as a 'cry for help'.

 

[JuddsABlue]

Had a suicide in my family about 12 months ago and its pretty ****ing nasty. She had a newborn baby and suffered PND (assumingly)

I understand the whole 'selfish' viewpoint, it certainly was a terrible thing to do to the father and newborn but I dont think anybody closely related to a suicide would ever actually call it selfish. Its too tragic to try and put some type of tag on.

Being almost a year passed now, I think the worst part about it is that if the person could somehow manage to have the option of life back I think they would take it in a heartbeat. Theres zero chance she could look at her son now or her family and still choose to be dead. I wouldnt be suprised if the regret came while she was actually dying (she hung herself). Ive wondered if the moments while she was suffocating whether or not she was relieved or frantic and regretting her decision. One of the worst things I have ever thought of, but its the reality of it.

+1 to the notion that if life was ever so bad you wanted to die, starting fresh somewhere else is a better option and one everybody would prefer, but in real time it doesnt work like that. If you sat alone in your bedroom and flipped a coin on hanging yourself or packing a bag and leaving everything behind, and you the latter won, your family wouldnt sit around and say 'thank god he didnt kill himself'. Theyd be angry and not understand why you've chosen to run away and theyd constantly hound and beg you to come back (assuming they knew you were alive, otherwise theyre wrapt with guilt and fear over whats happened to you)

Either way, its impossible for a balanced happy person to try and grasp the mind of someone suffering depression

 

[Off The Couch]

JuddsABlue

Thank you - this is how I would of liked to express my thoughts but I'm just not that articulate - this post reflects exactly my thoughts and feelings

 

[Password is Taco]

Suicide is something I used to dream about when I slept. Whilst sleep was rare, I had depression and I didn't think I "Wanted" to commit suicide I just couldn't escape it. I felt it was the only option. My friends and family were not as supportive as they said there were. At 4 am not being able to sleep and letting my own thoughts drag me to the ground, not one person was there for me.
I used to always think suicide was selfish, until it was apart of every breath. I used to wish people would crash their car into mine & I dreamt of jumping off the roof. I found support with my dr and psychiatrist. But that was because I forced myself (no one told me to go to them). They "felt sorry" for me. That made me not want to go. To be honest I don't know why I did go, I never spoke one word (I am a chatty person and it was very out of character). I was convinced the drugs I was taking would "make me better" and relied heavily on them.

It was as if one day I "woke up". It seemed like 1000 years later, but I realised I was starting to "feel better". I saw light at the end of the tunnel. I saw positivity and happiness and hope and a future for the first time in forever. Whilst my journey didn't actually last all that long, it was the worst time of my life and I am forever grateful I was "too weak" to act on my thoughts. I say weak because that is what I thought of myself. I now know I was incredibly strong.

I am now the happiest I have ever been in my life, but it certainly opened my eyes. I feel so awful for people who commit suicide that for what ever reason they could not see anything past what they were feeling at the time. It must have been truly awful for them. I also believe people who commit suicide are not selfish (as I once thought) as you honestly believe life will be better without you in it, because in my situation, I had friends and family distance themselves because they didn't know how to talk to me, didn't want to be around someone who was "not in the mood to do whatever it was we were doing", no emotion, tired, cranky etc. Whilst I think I understand why they distanced, it did nothing to help.

Simply being there with someone, not talking, not doing anything can help them, just be there for them. I urge anyone who might have friends/family distance themselves, to make sure you ARE in their life and tell them you love them. It will make a difference to them.
And anyone who feels like life is just too hard, it is sometimes, but it is so worth looking back and knowing how awesome you are for putting in the effort of defeating that "demon", life can get better if you allow it to.

 

[vealesy]

My mum was laying on the floor with a bellyful of pills and scotch and said to me "this is all your fault campaigner". She couldnt fall asleep due to my constant face slaps. I said to the ambos "keep that bitch alive", relationship is all good now.

Thats when i realised suicide was just a cheap way out of facing your problems.

Will never attend a suiciders funeral. Gutless phaggots. They could at least tie off loose ends first. Pun intended.

 

[nicky]

It's a personal choice.

I tend to think it's a byproduct of people that take themselves and/or life too seriously.

Weird, and you also strike me as someone who takes themselves VERY seriously.

Bunsen I see where you're coming from but think you're being a bit harsh towards posters who've experienced suicide in their families. It would be pretty normal in the grieving process to be angry at a loved one for committing suicide given that anger is part of the grieving process when anyone dies.

Understandable to think a loved one selfish for killing themselves, but you would hope they would eventually come around to your thinking.

 

[Caesar]

Thats when i realised suicide was just a cheap way out of facing your problems.

I am pleased that you have been fortunate enough to live a life devoid of the personal experiences that would correct this misapprehension.

 

[vealesy]

I am pleased that you have been fortunate enough to live a life devoid of the personal experiences that would correct this misapprehension.

Oh please, everyone has a sob story to tell. Some just deal with shit better.

I have suicidal thoughts myself, but i wouldnt act on them. Life is up and down, most people deal with it.

I had to listen to a family friend share her sob story and depress everyone at a party last weekend. I wanted to hand the bith some ratsack. Its not my problem shes a drunk and her babys all ****ed up and her BF left her. Its only a matter of time but at least she wont ruin any more of my sundays.

Spoilt bitches that make shit life decisions are not worthy of my compassion.

 

[Caesar]

I hope that nobody who relies on you actually ends up in a situation where they are depressed enough for suicide to be a serious option.

 

[jpkennedy]

You stay classy, vealesy.

 

[vealesy]

I hope that nobody who relies on you actually ends up in a situation where they are depressed enough for suicide to be a serious option.

If thats their best option they should take it.