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WeetBixKid said:
I was responding to this:
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I like the second half of his post, not everyone can do it, but if you can turn those burdens to your advantage and make them stronger it's good.

But yeah I did misinterpret what you said, sorry mate.
 
nicky said:
You're weak.

Seriously though, any guy that carries on like you do, (i.e. maintains a transparent bravado, claims to be strong and has an aversion to vulnerability) my theory on them is that they're covering up huge deficiencies and weaknesses. It's an obvious defence mechanism because you don't want everyone to see that you're the complete opposite of what you claim to be. If you were strong, you wouldn't feel the need to call others weak and measure yourself against them on that basis.
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Luckily your theory is horseshit or i may have given some ****s and responded with some substance.

Nice try though Britta.
 

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darcytiger said:
Go on, tell me your sob story about how it happened to someone close to you. You never saw it coming, you never thought they were the person to do that, wasn't their fault, someone called them fat. blah blah blah

spare me
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Probably a waste of time because you're clearly a ginormous twit, but I've already made my thoughts clear on this topic:

placebo said:
**** I hate this attitude. Seriously.

Someone feels like they have to end their life. Kill themselves, go against every basic instinct for survival and physically end their lives for all of eternity...and you think you can sit back and judge that? And understand how that could possibly feel? How can you ever be in a situation where you think you actually can judge what these people's lives are like.

Furthermore, for a lot of suicide victims/depression sufferers, a lot of their thought processes end up being that the people around them would be better off if they were dead, or that they're nothing but a burden on their families. This, especially is my experience with people close to me who've suffered depression. Your attitude does absolutely nothing to help anyone who has these thoughts, your lack of understanding is typical and you're full of shit.

From David Foster Wallace:

"The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire's flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It's not desiring the fall; it's terror of the flame yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don‘t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You'd have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling."
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rayven said:
When coroners speak, people listen.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-02/coroner-urges-rethink-on-suicide-issues/4862652

He makes some very good points, especially destigmatising what is termed "mental illness".
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Mental illness is never going to be destigmatised. It's just always going to have a negative stigma attached to it, it's just how society works unfortunately. It makes it worse especially when people in a bad way get told that they have a "mental illness" and it makes them think even worse about themselves.

Even when people reassure you that it's normal and lots of people go through the same thing, it doesn't change anything in the person's mind. It's just how the world is.
 

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darcytiger said:
Go on, tell me your sob story about how it happened to someone close to you. You never saw it coming, you never thought they were the person to do that, wasn't their fault, someone called them fat. blah blah blah

spare me
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Do you understand much about mental illness? Do you understand what contributes to someone wanting to commit suicide. Do you understand adolescent development? Theories of grief and loss and critical junctures in life?

More importantly, have you ever been in a place in your life when it's been so dark that you couldn't see ANY light at all? Have you ever wanted to end your life?

I doubt you'd answer 'yes' to my questions, because if you could you wouldn't post so callously about it. And considering you will probably answer 'no' to all the questions I posed, I suggest you STFU, and stop judging something you clearly don't understand.
 
darcytiger said:
Go on, tell me your sob story about how it happened to someone close to you. You never saw it coming, you never thought they were the person to do that, wasn't their fault, someone called them fat. blah blah blah

spare me
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You're a deadset flog. Although you make this pretty obvious by having a child molester and rapist as your avatar.
 
I kind of agree with his point.

These days its a mental illness just to question authority or to think outside the box or to do your own thing. If you don't "get with the program" there is "something wrong with you".

The term "mental illness" has the stigma of being a self parody, where everybody has become an expert on diagnosing and treating them because people are "so well informed" on what a mental illness is they have become amateur therapists. I think thats a mental illness of some sort too. Delusions of grand-freud perhaps?

Thats not to discredit actual problematic illnesses, but they will continue to be stigmatised as their symptoms and diagnosis becomes more abundant, their seriousness will also become more diluted.

Don't lump "feeling bummed out" in the same category as "psychotic mass murderer" and there will be no stigmatism, and i might stop using the term "mental illness" as a copout for being a weak silly.
 
rayven said:
Depends how many people have opinions as gutless as this..
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You think I want it to be like that? I want it to be normal. I want everyone to see it as treatable and something that you can get through. I used to be suicidal, and I sometimes have relapses now, i'm speaking from experience. I've told people, and the majority of people start to look at you like there's something wrong, even the people that support Beyond Blue and other such companies.
 
darcytiger said:
Agree, one of the most selfish things you can do. Think of the pain you'll put your family/friends through.

Have no time for people who do it
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The selfish argument has been done for ages to shame people and doesn't work. If I was to play devil's advocate couldn't the argument be flipped round the other way? That is isn't it selfish of others who expect someone who's life has become unbearable to stick at it and get on with it just so they aren't inconvenienced by that person? Could loop around for ages.

timtamWB said:
Mental illness is never going to be destigmatised. It's just always going to have a negative stigma attached to it, it's just how society works unfortunately. It makes it worse especially when people in a bad way get told that they have a "mental illness" and it makes them think even worse about themselves.

Even when people reassure you that it's normal and lots of people go through the same thing, it doesn't change anything in the person's mind. It's just how the world is.
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I think you are correct. People can not control others reactions. Just telling someone they should think a certain way will not change their minds. They have their own assumptions and prejudices. So in that way you are correct stigma will remain.

It is the nature of people to be very judgmental. Hence be careful who you confide in.
 

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darcytiger said:
Go on, tell me your sob story about how it happened to someone close to you. You never saw it coming, you never thought they were the person to do that, wasn't their fault, someone called them fat. blah blah blah

spare me
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Congats on being a massive dick.
 

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