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Pivot Piece said:
Did people really think that Cox free wasn’t a free kick live? I mean you can slow it down to your life’s content but on first viewing I think the whole stadium thought it was a free. Bit rich to call it rigged. We lost the game twice (second quarter and last 3 minutes)
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Thought it was obvious, no umpire is ever not gonna call that even in a final.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
I think the effect of losing Young for basically the whole year is understated and it's impossible to judge the midfield without seeing him play at full strength for a good amount of time. He's clearly our best or 2nd best mid right? How does Gold Coast go losing Rowell for the year, Brisbane losing McCluggage or Adelaide losing Rankine...

I think more of our deficiencies can be put on ball users out of the back half and running half forwards (as soon as Switta is out). The question I ask is if you just took our midfield from this year and swapped it with Brisbane's, is either team better off? I really dont think so. Conversely, if you swapped backlines I think we'd be a ****ing unstoppable juggernaught
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Yeah I agree we badly need a better ball user off half back, I am just not convinced even with Young fit we have the midfield brutality to win a flag. I don't disagree with Serong being named best on ground but Rowell is definitely the type of beast that we should be looking for, obviously not to his level as he's a freak but to approach that.
I can't see where it's coming from within. Before Treacy fully broke out as a forward I speculated whether he could be developed into that. People talk about Jackson but we're still here waiting three seasons after he joined us to become it. Ras - I always rated him, can he develop further?
More likely none of the above IMO, which is why we should be asking about Cripps.
 

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Cox tackle lingered. I remember the first time I gave away one of those in junior footy. You just don't know the player hasn't got the ball.

That little period of play at the end of the 2nd quarter. Their goals came from being cleaner in the conditions. It was contested work down the line and getting through over the back with handball and breaking tackles. It was no tactical mastery.

Hardwick did a few things differently from the last time we played (which was in similar slippery conditions) with the way King came up the ground and had an impact getting the ball to ground. It dragged one of our key defenders out with him and their younger talls, Read especially, worked hard not to be outmarked with kicks inside 50m to give their other forwards contest on the ground. All their goals from forwards came from their smalls apart from the Farrar one was also over the back of a marking contest (although that was Banfield belting it backwards).

Gold Coast ran the ball out of their defence better than us. We had little rebound from defence except for that period where Pearce dominated marking and it translated to dominance in our forward half and score on the board.
 
Madas said:
Oh god
You’ve got me wound up again

This is what I 100% saw and felt at the ground but was a fair way away

Looked for it in the reaplay last night but there was no camera on the closest umpire

On review the Bolton one was clearly there , telling sign was how quickly they blew the whistle just minutes before against Drizzle up the other end who barely had any prior ( it was kind of there but not much in it = goal )

**** this all hurts so much !

Out of interest was it Stevic that overturned the only 50m we had when Voss pushed someone out of his way ?

And was it Stevic who pinged Drizzle ?
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Don't know about your last two, but I'm just watching the last 10 minutes or so. After Treacy kicks a goal, we get a centre clearance and messy entry. Pinballs everywhere, ends up with Treacy tackling Collins and then after the ball spills away you see O'Driscoll picks it up and only then comes through the audio of a whistle and "free kick". Not even a signal or explanation what it is for. Just "free kick". Guess who? Stevic. Total joke, the commentators trying to claim it was cause a tackle lingered, but there was nothing there (Treacy laid a regulation tackle, and then Voss just put a bit of pressure on and didn't even tackle). Voss was slightly off screen, but I was down that end and absolutely no free kick there. More corruption. NOD stuffed his handball up and the free may have actually helped us in the end, but Stevic wasn't to know NOD would do that. He blew his whistle at the exact moment when it looked like we had the ball back and impossible for it to be for anything related to Treacy or Voss because of the delay from when their pressure occurred. Meanwhile you have another umpire on screen standing there looking completely bewildered. The corruption from Stevic is so obvious.
 
rubydoomsday said:
sorry haven't read the whole thread but...

how about that blood rule that wasn't? where Rowell won 2 clearances with blood clearly and visibly streaming down his face

i saw that on my tv in a 6ft high close up. thousands of punters could see it at the ground. pretty sure an ump can see it from 8 feet away.

f laughable.

not saying that turns the game, but... Rowell off = 2 clearances we have a better chance of winning.
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**** me this is like a living nightmare

I watched that on the replay and thought I was hallucinating
The umpire almost leans over to wipe it off his face
In the next few minutes Rowell racks up 3-4 critical possessions with blood all over him
Then a minute later Anderson actually does wipe it off

Yeh we didn’t make it easy for ourselves the whole game but anyone who thinks we weren’t f*d is kidding themselves
 
Alfonz said:
Don't know about your last two, but I'm just watching the last 10 minutes or so. After Treacy kicks a goal, we get a centre clearance and messy entry. Pinballs everywhere, ends up with Treacy tackling Collins and then after the ball spills away you see O'Driscoll picks it up and only then comes through the audio of a whistle and "free kick". Not even a signal or explanation what it is for. Just "free kick". Guess who? Stevic. Total joke, the commentators trying to claim it was cause a tackle lingered, but there was nothing there (Treacy laid a regulation tackle, and then Voss just put a bit of pressure on and didn't even tackle). Voss was slightly off screen, but I was down that end and absolutely no free kick there. More corruption. NOD stuffed his handball up and the free may have actually helped us in the end, but Stevic wasn't to know NOD would do that. He blew his whistle at the exact moment when it looked like we had the ball back and impossible for it to be for anything related to Treacy or Voss because of the delay from when their pressure occurred. Meanwhile you have another umpire on screen standing there looking completely bewildered. The corruption from Stevic is so obvious.
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OMG
That was another one I couldn’t get my head around
Replayed it like 4 times trying to work out what happened but there were no camera angles
Didn’t see it happen live

JFC this is torture

I wonder how the game review is going down at the Dockers
Surely they have to be blowing up over this shit ?!
 
FreoRicci said:
It was a free kick.
The ball hit the ground whilst both were still standing. If Cox just let go at that point, it’s fair. But he stupidly held him and aggressive took him to the turf. He didn’t have any awareness that Swallow had let go of the ball.
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If you tackle someone with the ball and then they drop the ball then you’d expect the umpire to blow the whistle. He heard no whistle so assumed Swallow still had it.
 
FreoRicci said:
It was a free kick.
The ball hit the ground whilst both were still standing. If Cox just let go at that point, it’s fair. But he stupidly held him and aggressive took him to the turf. He didn’t have any awareness that Swallow had let go of the ball.
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Yeh can't deny it was a free every day of week. If it was reverse and we didn't get paid, we be livid..

Too bad wasn't another 5 metres out further 🥲
 

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poshman said:
I think it is a bit of both. I think they know they have to go so they go. It might be a 10-15% difference but there is definitely a difference.

I don't think the difference is as stark as some. Either way we need to be 5-10% more attacking in general.

There are a couple of ways this could happen without major change:

1. Clark or Chappy kick in and have license to take every yard of territory available before a long kick if that is the only option remaining. Ryan is too slow to consistently take ground in this manner.

2. Feed Clark, Chappy and Simpson the ball at every opportunity coming out of the back half.

3. train to take the offline 25m kick when signalling to go long. Often defences run back hard when they see the play is coming. If we could be a touch creative and train the kick to our player who has been run off from we would have another easy mark. Watch Freddy's defender when Ryan has signalled long. Freddy is clear in the corridor 20 - 25m away and 10 - 15 m in space. This is a kick Zorko and Sidebottom love. Can we train it?
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Good points Posh but they would require a creative coach, so personally, not holding my breath.
 

Fremantle v Gold Coast​

10 Caleb Serong (FRE)
6 Matt Rowell (GCFC)
4 Wil Powell (GCFC)
4 Sam Collins (GCFC)
3 Noah Anderson (GCFC)
2 Andrew Brayshaw (FRE)
1 Bodhi Uwland (GCFC)


After all the glazing for Rowell, both coaches gave Caleb the BOG. Man I’m gutted for him. He’s been our BOG in every JL final. Give him a finals game and he will tear it up and leave nothing on the park. We have got to go deeper to give him the chance to win us a flag.
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
There is not a team in the AFL that doesnt slow it to a crawl with a 1 goal lead with 2:20 on the clock. Collingwood did it for a whole quarter. I dont understand the criticism.
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100%. I don’t know why they didn’t keep doing it. Ie the kick down the line wasn’t forced. They could have held possession by going back a little
 
kp junior said:
100%. I don’t know why they didn’t keep doing it. Ie the kick down the line wasn’t forced. They could have held possession by going back a little
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Probably another issue where we have too many "passable" kicks in the back half. Harder for them to play keepy off and GC were good at immediately shutting down the short option. That Brayshaw miss from Cox hurts there because you naturally have more options to work with. A more confident player see's him and takes the option. Part of that is coaching I have no doubt where it's drilled into them to stop doing it at that time.

Who else had horrible horrible flashbacks watching Voss kick that ball to Young in the middle...
 

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Thinking about it as disappointing as the loss is its still a reasonable season to have.

At least it was a hard fought final and solid experience and the loss will burn deep and provide motivation.

Laying down and losing comfortably in the second half would have been bad or worse not even making finals a disaster.

Weren't really contenders this season but it's all about the next.

It's hard not to think the coaching is suspect, we play very conservatively like we are so scared of losing but when we finally have nothing to lose only then open up. Something needs to change there and if it doesn't bring in someone that will.

The constant debate about team selection I find funny, it's the least of our problems.
 
Was bad enough tv.

When Jackson marks its like CMONN!!! Neighbours must think wtf was that.

Then it's just sitting there in shock.

At least the tv you can just turn it off trying not to brik it. Getting out of the ground and the train ride home would've been like a funeral.
 
The biggest frustration for me regarding the umpiring was the ruck blocking inconsistency. Darcy gets called for one in our f50. A couple minutes later Witts does the same but it goes uncalled amd Humphrey snaps a goal. Very annoying when they were both pretty blatant.

To those who rewatched the game, where was Treacy for the last kick down the line we turned over? Still in defence? I don't remember seeing him and he's usually our target for those kicks
 
academicbowl said:
The biggest frustration for me regarding the umpiring was the ruck blocking inconsistency. Darcy gets called for one in our f50. A couple minutes later Witts does the same but it goes uncalled amd Humphrey snaps a goal. Very annoying when they were both pretty blatant.

To those who rewatched the game, where was Treacy for the last kick down the line we turned over? Still in defence? I don't remember seeing him and he's usually our target for those kicks
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He'd already gone back. He's the player that Ryan kicks back to. Then he kicks it back to Ryan who goes down the line.
 

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