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FreoRicci said:
Where was Fyfe, Jackson? Where were any talls?
Couldn’t have just been Voss and Darcy.
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Voss & Darcy were enough. It was a poorly directed kick & marked by a 188cm mid defender. It should have been boundary side of the pack which is standard positioning in that situation for obvious reasons & where Voss was. The kick was too corridor.
Poor all round.
 
FreoRicci said:
Where was Fyfe, Jackson? Where were any talls?
Couldn’t have just been Voss and Darcy.
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Fyfe I believe was on the bench. The coach in his infinite wisdom benched him after Jackson kicked the goal (a real WTF moment for me as I watched him jog off) and I don't recall him coming back on.

Jackson was closer to our goal, just outside the corner of the centre square. I guess he was there if we won the ball on the ground and had to kick it further forward. Still have to have some structure ahead of the ball.

Young was near the front of the pack but couldn't really get into the marking contest and was waiting front and centre for a crumb.
 
Stinky Lomax said:
Voss & Darcy were enough. It was a poorly directed kick & marked by a 188cm mid defender. It should have been boundary side of the pack which is standard positioning in that situation for obvious reasons & where Voss was. The kick was too corridor.
Poor all round.
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Voss was actually positioned more corridor than Uwland. I don't think the kick was as badly directed as most are saying. Sure, it should have been more boundary side, but you don't want to risk kicking it out on the full (in hindsight that still would have been better). But the length caused as much issue as the direction. It fell short of our players and Uwland read it and timed his run the best. Sometimes you have to give credit to the opposition. I've watched it a few times and it was a really impressive leap. Uwland got up really high and it would have been a massive hanger if there was someone for him to sit on. Perhaps Voss could have been closer to him to block his run, but shit happens.
 
…. And, true to form, my bogan brother has just posted a mocking meme on FB. I’d ask him how the worst team in AFL history went in the finals, but he’s about as witty as Donald Trump, so it wouldn’t even be amusing to tease him a little
 

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Minz said:
…. And, true to form, my bogan brother has just posted a mocking meme on FB. I’d ask him how the worst team in AFL history went in the finals, but he’s about as witty as Donald Trump, so it wouldn’t even be amusing to tease him a little
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Bloody hell, talk about divided families. This is your brother, not brother in law?
 
Kram said:
Was bad enough tv.

When Jackson marks its like CMONN!!! Neighbours must think wtf was that.

Then it's just sitting there in shock.

At least the tv you can just turn it off trying not to brik it. Getting out of the ground and the train ride home would've been like a funeral.
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Never been so quiet on packed bus let me tell you
 
I have been stewing on this and maybe someone can tell me
Why did Fyfe go to the bench after Jacksons goal. He should have been able to run out a full quarter. He had been really good from the time he came on. Someone said that was at the 7 minute mark of the quarter.
Having him sit out thay last three minutes was lunacy.Did he get injured in the 20 minutes he was on?
And, please don't make it a Longmuir bash.
 
Our previous finals losses in the clubs history have been by decent margins with Adelaide 2012 the closest 10 pts.

After the way we lost the other night to get our first true taste of a finals cliffhanger.

It makes me feel a lot easier about how we ended up losing 2013 GF if there is a way to lose one.

We didn't get thrashed like a Swans/Adelaide/GWS have in past 10 years but it wasn't a heartbreaker either just something in the middle.

Losing a GF the way we did the other night would have been torturous.

Got to give to Brisbane Lions for coming back the way they did from 2023 to 2024. That would have been gut wrenching.
 
gungho said:
Bloody hell, talk about divided families. This is your brother, not brother in law?
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My other brother goes for Freo… go figure. The rest of the family doesn’t do sport really.
 

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We don't do little things well in this club.
  • Why did Fyfe run on when Bolton was lining up for goal - knowing the crowd applause would make it harder for Bolton to concentrate on the goal. Just run on after he kicks the ball.
  • Why was Erasmus on the mark, and not Jackson or Treacy, when Swallow was lining up for goal? If Jackson is on that mark it is smothered, or harder to kick the goal.
  • If Treacy goes back with 2 minutes to go and Mac Andrew follows him, you no longer have a spare in defence. Who is making sure we actually have a spare in defence? And who is acting on it.
  • Why do the players not understand to lead closer to the boundary line, when there is 2 minutes to go in the game.
 
gungho said:
We don't do little things well in this club.
  • Why did Fyfe run on when Bolton was lining up for goal - knowing the crowd applause would make it harder for Bolton to concentrate on the goal. Just run on after he kicks the ball.
  • Why was Erasmus on the mark, and not Jackson or Treacy, when Swallow was lining up for goal? If Jackson is on that mark it is smothered, or harder to kick the goal.
  • If Treacy goes back with 2 minutes to go and Mac Andrew follows him, you no longer have a spare in defence. Who is making sure we actually have a spare in defence? And who is acting on it.
  • Why do the players not understand to lead closer to the boundary line, when there is 2 minutes to go in the game.
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Why was Jackson the deepest forward?
He should be in that pack contesting the mark.
Frederick can be the last man in defence. Jackson is useless in that position at that point in time.
 
gungho said:
[*]Why was Erasmus on the mark, and not Jackson or Treacy, when Swallow was lining up for goal? If Jackson is on that mark it is smothered, or harder to kick the goal.
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This was the real big mistake given the player with the ball, the circumstance and esp. the fact that Cox gave away the free. We should have had a Tall player on that mark. Swallow was always going to try for penetration to get the distance.
 
malpaso said:
This was the real big mistake given the player with the ball, the circumstance and esp. the fact that Cox gave away the free. We should have had a Tall player on that mark. Swallow was always going to try for penetration to get the distance.
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We just don't think things through, and it costs us games. We seriously need to learn....
 
s_wd6 said:
I mean that one is pretty obvious in that if he didn't have the distance you want your big men on the line...
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Swallow was going to be taking 30 seconds, to take time off the clock. So there is plenty of time for someone tall to man the mark, and other tall guys to head to the goal line.
Little things in big games matter. If Jackson is on the mark, or even Treacy, or Voss, that ball is smothered.
 

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gungho said:
Swallow was going to be taking 30 seconds, to take time off the clock. So there is plenty of time for someone tall to man the mark, and other tall guys to head to the goal line.
Little things in big games matter. If Jackson is on the mark, or even Treacy, or Voss, that ball is smothered.
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Easier said than done. You can't leave the mark empty for long or else the umpire will make it an "outside 5" situation and nobody can stand the mark. And if someone is standing the mark and someone else runs in from outside the area to switch, it is likely a 50m penalty, especially with Stevic in the area. It is going to have to be someone next to the infringement. That meant only 3 options (after I think a couple of players ... Clark and someone else ... ran away quickly). Cox, Chapman or Erasmus. Admittedly we probably chose the wrong one in hindsight, but the percentage play is stopping it on the goal line, not smothering it.

I wonder if it is illegal to perform a rugby lineout move on the goal line. You could possibly intercept a kick like Swallow's if you were trained and could avoid GC players knocking you over.
 
Alfonz said:
Easier said than done. You can't leave the mark empty for long or else the umpire will make it an "outside 5" situation and nobody can stand the mark. And if someone is standing the mark and someone else runs in from outside the area to switch, it is likely a 50m penalty, especially with Stevic in the area. It is going to have to be someone next to the infringement. That meant only 3 options (after I think a couple of players ... Clark and someone else ... ran away quickly). Cox, Chapman or Erasmus. Admittedly we probably chose the wrong one in hindsight, but the percentage play is stopping it on the goal line, not smothering it.

I wonder if it is illegal to perform a rugby lineout move on the goal line. You could possibly intercept a kick like Swallow's if you were trained and could avoid GC players knocking you over.
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Exactly right. You wouldn’t expect AFL players to kick it into the man on the mark so you don’t base tactics on it.

As for the line out, as long as you don’t affect any other opposition players, I can’t see how it would be illegal. It’s not done because you’d probably take out an opposition players ability to contest (which in turn either puts you at risk for a blocking free or an unrealistic attempt free if you don’t touch it). It would be too risky to attempt (although an amateur club should try it just for laughs)
 
Raz is 1.9m. Luke jackson is 1.99m. At that stage of the game, no one is thinking that that extra 9cm makes more difference on the mark than it is on the goal line
 
Alfonz said:
Easier said than done. You can't leave the mark empty for long or else the umpire will make it an "outside 5" situation and nobody can stand the mark. And if someone is standing the mark and someone else runs in from outside the area to switch, it is likely a 50m penalty, especially with Stevic in the area. It is going to have to be someone next to the infringement. That meant only 3 options (after I think a couple of players ... Clark and someone else ... ran away quickly). Cox, Chapman or Erasmus. Admittedly we probably chose the wrong one in hindsight, but the percentage play is stopping it on the goal line, not smothering it.

I wonder if it is illegal to perform a rugby lineout move on the goal line. You could possibly intercept a kick like Swallow's if you were trained and could avoid GC players knocking you over.
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From https://play.afl/sites/default/files/2024-03/2024-Laws-of-Australian-Football.pdf

18.13 OTHER
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player who:

(f) intentionally lifts a Player from the same Team to interfere with play;
 

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