Autopsy Sunburnt

[Madas]

I can’t say shit cos in that moment all I wanted was for them to do a bit of uncontested kick to kick and shave time off. I didn’t see Brayshaw either and refuse to watch a replay of it, but I still don’t really think the option they chose was that bad and it was more the fault of the guys up the ground

Watch the replay mate
I forced myself to but glad I did
Watch it just for the Murphy Reid moments if nothing else, he’s like a Jedi

We played well but did a few dumb things throughout the game
GC took their opportunities when they came and moved the ball very well across the ground

I think people still think GC are a walkover , those days are over
15 years of round one picks and a very good coach are going to pay off sooner or later

 

[Footskill]

It was the right play at the end....we had the same set up which won us the other games.. just had to halve the two contests .. it's not like we didn't have enough players around both contests to do it

Yeah.. take the game on, taking riskier options might work or you have players like Voss in the syd game turning it over in vulnerable position and they move it fast into their fwd line like they'd been all night. Go back to the middle and I would have more certainty they win the clearance

Anyway..hindsight and what could of been is all that remains

 

[Madas]

I’m taking it as a positive that we will learn the hard way from a lot of stuff this season and be better for it next year

 

[freo84]

Woke up this morning and while I'm still sad we lost i feel we're going in the right direction.

We unearthed two absolute gems this season.

Next season will be better I'm sure. Classic Freo catch phrase

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There is not a team in the AFL that doesnt slow it to a crawl with a 1 goal lead with 2:20 on the clock. Collingwood did it for a whole quarter. I dont understand the criticism.

 

[Grape Bear]

We're so irrelevant to them.
Not a big legacy club supported by Vic media that they need to suck up to, not a small vanity project they need to constantly prop up.
We keep our porridge the right temperature, our bed the most comfortable, and the rampant corporate goldilocks that is the AFL just defiles us without a second thought

Anyone who thinks it is tinfoil hat stuff when we whinge about the AFL
have a narrative and weigh the scales towards it whatever means they can should read that comment.

At the end of the day, we should not leave doubt to make the result beyond the influence of poor officiating. But in a game that is decided by moments, calls and non calls open to interpretation just reeks of a rigged game. it is not fair that we have to be 3x better than any other contender just to have an opportunity to succeed.

 

[rgauci]

I’ll just leave this here.

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Is this real or AI?

 

[Alfonz]

Did people really think that Cox free wasn’t a free kick live? I mean you can slow it down to your life’s content but on first viewing I think the whole stadium thought it was a free. Bit rich to call it rigged. We lost the game twice (second quarter and last 3 minutes)

At the game as soon as I saw that tackle I was "oh shit". My immediate thoughs were if Stevic is around (not sure if he was the one who paid it), then we are screwed 100%. Maybe 75% if one of the other umpires was in charge. The Bolton tackle was in front of me. Screamed out "ball" but deep down inside I knew it would never be paid as watching live there didn't seem to be prior.

My biggest issue is one that didn't cost us. The initial non-free to Reid from Stevic as the nearest umpire, before being overruled by another umpire and then Reid kicked the goal. Probably the most blatant free kick you will ever see, Stevic had a perfect view, and was waving play on like his life depended on it. Watching the replay now and you don't actually see it on the TV broadcast, but notice how Stevic (who is to the left of Reid) gets to the man on the mark first. He was closest to the contest (but just off screen) and was calling play on. That screams corruption to me and Stevic has form in this. He will probably get a grand final gig yet again, and I think he is an AFL stooge that gets rewarded for delivering what the AFL wants. It might sound like a ridiculous conspiracy theory, but it has happened time and time again with this guy. AFL has scrubbed it from the official match highlights as well, which is strange considering they found time to fit in the Clark spoil.

 

[s_wd6]

At the game as soon as I saw that tackle I was "oh shit". My immediate thoughs were if Stevic is around (not sure if he was the one who paid it), then we are screwed 100%. Maybe 75% if one of the other umpires was in charge. The Bolton tackle was in front of me. Screamed out "ball" but deep down inside I knew it would never be paid as watching live there didn't seem to be prior.

My biggest issue is one that didn't cost us. The initial non-free to Reid from Stevic as the nearest umpire, before being overruled by another umpire and then Reid kicked the goal. Probably the most blatant free kick you will ever see, Stevic had a perfect view, and was waving play on like his life depended on it. Watching the replay now and you don't actually see it on the TV broadcast, but notice how Stevic (who is to the left of Reid) gets to the man on the mark first. He was closest to the contest (but just off screen) and was calling play on. That screams corruption to me and Stevic has form in this. He will probably get a grand final gig yet again, and I think he is an AFL stooge that gets rewarded for delivering what the AFL wants. It might sound like a ridiculous conspiracy theory, but it has happened time and time again with this guy. AFL has scrubbed it from the official match highlights as well, which is strange considering they found time to fit in the Clark spoil.

Yeah we all noticed it. Even after Murphy got the free everyone around was booing/berating the umpires. It was very clear he was about to let it go and it was the most obvious free kick of the game. ****ing corrupt that we get stuck with him time and time again

 

[swanny1234]

There is not a team in the AFL that doesnt slow it to a crawl with a 1 goal lead with 2:20 on the clock. Collingwood did it for a whole quarter. I dont understand the criticism.

My criticism isn’t with the last 2 minutes… that’s a lottery.

My issue is with the first 2 and a half quarters. We played scared, nervous, slow football. King is right - we don’t play to win, we play not to lose.

It’s no coincidence that we’ve had to come from behind so many times this year. We don’t play aggressive football at the start of games, and this is squarely on the coach. They’re being set up to start like this.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

My criticism isn’t with the last 2 minutes… that’s a lottery.

My issue is with the first 2 and a half quarters. We played scared, nervous, slow football. King is right - we don’t play to win, we play not to lose.

It’s no coincidence that we’ve had to come from behind so many times this year. We don’t play aggressive football at the start of games, and this is squarely on the coach. They’re being set up to start like this.

I dont know what to make of that to be honest. Are we completely changing our gameplan the last quarter or are teams getting tired and it's easier to run through them with our existing style? I dont personally notice much of a difference. The gameplan is always

• Slow down the line off marking possession backing our excellent talls all over the ground to halve a contest at the very minimum. Yes, this helps us always be set up for turnover off marked possession and can limit our scoring given we are no longer the best contested ball side in the comp
• Fast off turnover. My theory is we score more from this way in the last quarter because it's easier to pull off with our inferior ball users as teams are tired. This would look better earlier on with better users and decision makers. This IS a JL fault IMO because he stuck with both Banfield and Worner at the end of the year. Maybe Cooper wasnt quite ready but I'll be interested to see if he plays Simpson from round 1 next year and if we look better as a result.

 

[poshman]

Don’t understand this detailed dissection of every slight negative aspect of pearces game over the 4 quarters. What about the other 22 guys on the field? How come other higher paid fremantle players aren’t getting held to this standard?

1. What did you think of Fredericks performance in the last 2 games?
2. What about Karl worner making Bailey Humphrey look like prime Dusty Martin?
3. O’Meara is a leadership group member - he was diabolical again all night, how can we compete if he’s running around as our 4th mid every game?
4. What about Jackson and Bolton? They have escaped scrutiny for me since Saturday night - I thought they were both quite poor, much worse than Pearce actually. Two of our highest paid stars.
5. Jye amiss. 2 touches - that’s just a joke. Then to make it worse he missed one of them that was quite kickable.

I’m optimistic about freo too. The problem is I’m also optimistic about 8 or 9 other teams too over the next few years. The question is what is going to separate us from them?
To win the flag we need to finish top 4, and most likely top 2. Is this team good enough to do that? I think if you get to a place where Banfield, worner, NOD, JOM, and Frederick are no longer in the starting 22 and the likes of chapman or amiss is the 22/23rd best guy instead of the 17th, then we can start talking about a top 2 place and a flag.

What a lot of optimists on here overlook is that the only thing that matters is how good we are relative to the top teams. We cannot win the flag finishing 5th if there is 4 other teams better than us with double chances and home finals. It’s just impossible for a WA based team.
The suns are about to add two more top 5 picks on the national draft. To a list that’s already stacked. Brisbane are trading in quality mature players left right and centre. Hawthorn and Geelong the same.

We need a hell of a lot more to go right for us than those teams do to even get into the mix with them. It’s shit but it’s the way this stupid comp is stacked against us.

You continue with the strawman arguments. I only gave detail about his fourth quarter. You have not gone and watched it again and are unwilling to address my actual argument. First it was because of some conjured ill feeling about politics and now I have provided a detailed dissection of every slight negative? I literally watched the fourth again (and back end of the third) and went through his game. I was being told it was the greatest finals quarter played by a KPD... so I went and watched again.

You haven't interacted with one point I made and have refused to look at the last contest in which he was at the drop and couldn't make the contest. I still said he was very very good. It just wasn't the best quarter by a defender in a finals game ever.

Then I mentioned that we should have been further behind than we were at 3/4 time. Do you disagree with that? Do you think we were a little lucky to be as close as we were?

He was MIA for 3 quarters and as our captain that isn't acceptable.

Banfield - I would rather Simpson in the team. He should be depth or the sub.

Nod - I have been saying for weeks he isn't smart enough. We need emerging options on the wing so Nod isn't in the team unless in blistering form and confident.

Fred - See above - have also said he has physical gifts but isn't a smart footballer.

Bolton - Have said he isn't consistent enough and burns easy passes for goals on a weekly basis. Literally 1-3 times per week. He turned up and did some good things in the first half, and remained dangerous for the remainder. But didn't live up to the price we paid for him.

Ryan - has to be following coaches orders, but, the kick outs are an ongoing weakness. We need to remove him from kick out duties or let him do it 10% of the time.

JOM - I have said I hope he isn't in the team next year or is phased out. Johnson and Ras need to be in front of him.

Most of these I have said shouldn't be in the team anymore. All stronger criticism than I gave Pearce. Why is he the only one you will be defensive about? Is that some weird political thing clouding your judgement? See how silly that sounds?

 

[dropbear101]

I dont know what to make of that to be honest. Are we completely changing our gameplan the last quarter or are teams getting tired and it's easier to run through them with our existing style? I dont personally notice much of a difference. The gameplan is always

• Slow down the line off marking possession backing our excellent talls all over the ground to halve a contest at the very minimum. Yes, this helps us always be set up for turnover off marked possession and can limit our scoring given we are no longer the best contested ball side in the comp
• Fast off turnover. My theory is we score more from this way in the last quarter because it's easier to pull off with our inferior ball users as teams are tired. This would look better earlier on with better users and decision makers. This IS a JL fault IMO because he stuck with both Banfield and Worner at the end of the year. Maybe Cooper wasnt quite ready but I'll be interested to see if he plays Simpson from round 1 next year and if we look better as a result.

i also think johnson and wagner are critical for this. mids who get back defensively generate turnovers and allow users like young, clark, serong to get more ball.

 

[poshman]

I dont know what to make of that to be honest. Are we completely changing our gameplan the last quarter or are teams getting tired and it's easier to run through them with our existing style? I dont personally notice much of a difference. The gameplan is always

• Slow down the line off marking possession backing our excellent talls all over the ground to halve a contest at the very minimum. Yes, this helps us always be set up for turnover off marked possession and can limit our scoring given we are no longer the best contested ball side in the comp
• Fast off turnover. My theory is we score more from this way in the last quarter because it's easier to pull off with our inferior ball users as teams are tired. This would look better earlier on with better users and decision makers. This IS a JL fault IMO because he stuck with both Banfield and Worner at the end of the year. Maybe Cooper wasnt quite ready but I'll be interested to see if he plays Simpson from round 1 next year and if we look better as a result.

I think it is a bit of both. I think they know they have to go so they go. It might be a 10-15% difference but there is definitely a difference.

I don't think the difference is as stark as some. Either way we need to be 5-10% more attacking in general.

There are a couple of ways this could happen without major change:

1. Clark or Chappy kick in and have license to take every yard of territory available before a long kick if that is the only option remaining. Ryan is too slow to consistently take ground in this manner.

2. Feed Clark, Chappy and Simpson the ball at every opportunity coming out of the back half.

3. train to take the offline 25m kick when signalling to go long. Often defences run back hard when they see the play is coming. If we could be a touch creative and train the kick to our player who has been run off from we would have another easy mark. Watch Freddy's defender when Ryan has signalled long. Freddy is clear in the corridor 20 - 25m away and 10 - 15 m in space. This is a kick Zorko and Sidebottom love. Can we train it?

 

[FreoRicci]

Yeh hes done surely

In a full strength team and assuming Raz stays then Omeara should be the sub
Too slow with disposals , can tackle well and does go in for the hard ball but goes to ground too much and looks for the boundary too often.

If he’s coached to create stoppage then that’s a different story .

I think Erasmus would be an improvement on JOM

Erasmus is already an improvement. 18 disposals and a goal in a final. He can keep getting better.
JOM.. slow, has no imagination with his disposal and has to be inside the middle to have any effect.
If that was he produced on the wing, then why isn’t Sharp playing? That’s gross

 

[swanny1234]

I dont know what to make of that to be honest. Are we completely changing our gameplan the last quarter or are teams getting tired and it's easier to run through them with our existing style? I dont personally notice much of a difference. The gameplan is always

• Slow down the line off marking possession backing our excellent talls all over the ground to halve a contest at the very minimum. Yes, this helps us always be set up for turnover off marked possession and can limit our scoring given we are no longer the best contested ball side in the comp
• Fast off turnover. My theory is we score more from this way in the last quarter because it's easier to pull off with our inferior ball users as teams are tired. This would look better earlier on with better users and decision makers. This IS a JL fault IMO because he stuck with both Banfield and Worner at the end of the year. Maybe Cooper wasnt quite ready but I'll be interested to see if he plays Simpson from round 1 next year and if we look better as a result.

Maybe not a huge change in gameplan, but there is definitely far more urgency in that gameplan, and a want to give the quick off load to a runner and move the ball at speed.

The best teams play at Speed - Geelong, Hawthorn, Adelaide in particular. Pies and Lions are a bit more methodical but still move the ball quicker than us.

There is certainly an element of other teams tiring, but it’s happened so many times this year it’s not a coincidence. We play better when we’re playing with an urgency, and that usually occurs when we’re behind late in games, with the exception of two quarters against the Bulldogs in two games (and the Dogs cannot defend like other sides it seems)

My biggest concern is our lack of quality ball users outside Clark off half back. Simpson needs to be a permanent fixture there next year, and we should also look to bring in a McVee or a Starcevich.

Ultimately I do think it’s coaching though. JLo is too worried about being hurt the other way to really take the shackles off earlier. He needs to change, or preferably be shown the door.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Anyone who thinks it is tinfoil hat stuff when we whinge about the AFL
have a narrative and weigh the scales towards it whatever means they can should read that comment.

At the end of the day, we should not leave doubt to make the result beyond the influence of poor officiating. But in a game that is decided by moments, calls and non calls open to interpretation just reeks of a rigged game. it is not fair that we have to be 3x better than any other contender just to have an opportunity to succeed.

I don't think it's rigged, as in I don't believe the AFL are directing umpires to produce certain results.
But I do believe the AFL have created an environment where it's obvious that some teams/players/outcomes are more favoured than other teams/players/outcomes. And that narrative is in the background and feeds unconscious biases in decision making - which is to be expected, since umpires are human and there is a whole body of research about human error that has shown it is heuristic thinking, anchored in biases, that leads to mistakes

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I don't think it's rigged, as in I don't believe the AFL are directing umpires to produce certain results.
But I do believe the AFL have created an environment where it's obvious that some teams/players/outcomes are more favoured than other teams/players/outcomes. And that narrative is in the background and feeds unconscious biases in decision making - which is to be expected, since umpires are human and there is a whole body of research about human error that has shown it is heuristic thinking, anchored in biases, that leads to mistakes

Case and point, assuming that quote was legit, the CEO of the AFL saying one team winning was a great result for football which is just all kinds of ****ing infuriating

 

[mattis117]

I’ll just leave this here.

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This looks fake to me. Any chance of verification?

 

[Fat Nyfe]

I don't think it's rigged, as in I don't believe the AFL are directing umpires to produce certain results.
But I do believe the AFL have created an environment where it's obvious that some teams/players/outcomes are more favoured than other teams/players/outcomes. And that narrative is in the background and feeds unconscious biases in decision making - which is to be expected, since umpires are human and there is a whole body of research about human error that has shown it is heuristic thinking, anchored in biases, that leads to mistakes

I would also not be surprised if those biases are fed by an emphasis from the AFL during the week to the travelling umpires about not feeding into the home crowd noise of affirmation.

 

[s_wd6]

Case and point, assuming that quote was legit, the CEO of the AFL saying one team winning was a great result for football which is just all kinds of ****ing infuriating

Dont think it is legit. No way they’d explicitly say they’ve invested a lot into GC and need to see a return.

It sums up their beliefs no doubt, but not something they would outright say.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Dont think it is legit. No way they’d explicitly say they’ve invested a lot into GC and need to see a return.

It sums up their beliefs no doubt, but not something they would outright say.

But then again, not a great few years in charges for Dillon McDillon

 

[WhoneedsMcLeod]

Don’t understand this detailed dissection of every slight negative aspect of pearces game over the 4 quarters. What about the other 22 guys on the field? How come other higher paid fremantle players aren’t getting held to this standard?

1. What did you think of Fredericks performance in the last 2 games?
2. What about Karl worner making Bailey Humphrey look like prime Dusty Martin?
3. O’Meara is a leadership group member - he was diabolical again all night, how can we compete if he’s running around as our 4th mid every game?
4. What about Jackson and Bolton? They have escaped scrutiny for me since Saturday night - I thought they were both quite poor, much worse than Pearce actually. Two of our highest paid stars.
5. Jye amiss. 2 touches - that’s just a joke. Then to make it worse he missed one of them that was quite kickable.

I’m optimistic about freo too. The problem is I’m also optimistic about 8 or 9 other teams too over the next few years. The question is what is going to separate us from them?
To win the flag we need to finish top 4, and most likely top 2. Is this team good enough to do that? I think if you get to a place where Banfield, worner, NOD, JOM, and Frederick are no longer in the starting 22 and the likes of chapman or amiss is the 22/23rd best guy instead of the 17th, then we can start talking about a top 2 place and a flag.

What a lot of optimists on here overlook is that the only thing that matters is how good we are relative to the top teams. We cannot win the flag finishing 5th if there is 4 other teams better than us with double chances and home finals. It’s just impossible for a WA based team.
The suns are about to add two more top 5 picks on the national draft. To a list that’s already stacked. Brisbane are trading in quality mature players left right and centre. Hawthorn and Geelong the same.

We need a hell of a lot more to go right for us than those teams do to even get into the mix with them. It’s shit but it’s the way this stupid comp is stacked against us.

Great post, absolutely spot on, to win it you must have the cattle. Freo fall a bit short.
And you need the people running the club to realise we don't have the cattle and to do something about it.
To date this hasn't happened.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Great post, absolutely spot on, to win it you must have the cattle. Freo fall a bit short.
And you need the people running the club to realise we don't have the cattle and to do something about it.
To date this hasn't happened.

You think Freo havent done anything about not having the cattle to contend? Can you expand/explain?

 

[Spirit Level]

Did people really think that Cox free wasn’t a free kick live? I mean you can slow it down to your life’s content but on first viewing I think the whole stadium thought it was a free. Bit rich to call it rigged. We lost the game twice (second quarter and last 3 minutes)

Yeah it was right in front of me and I thought it was a free live.

The issue I have is there is no way that gets paid in our f50 if the roles are reversed. I also think Shai's HTB gets paid if it's in GCs f50