Supercoach vs Dreamteam?

[magic.merkin]

I'm in 5 sc leagues, invited to 4 by various friend groups. 2 DT leagues, invited to 1. says it all really regarding popularity IMHO.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

I've always played both, but SC shits all over DT purely for the scoring. Effectiveness and clangers etc. are VITAL when assessing a player, and I don't see why it should be any different in a fantasy game. It's just more realistic.

 

[The Sultan]

$50 k vs a car.

i'll take the $50k

 

[Selective Retention]

I'm a dream teamer from way back, only playing sc this year though.

DT requires going to the mule of the afl website, I have no need to go there at all now

 

[Clunk]

DT recognises stats
SC recognises impact

For these reasons SC is played by those who have undertaken significant edification to develop intellectual efficacy.

DT is played by those who have already stopped reading. You know.....morons!

 

[big bootaaaaah]

why do neither award points for a running bounce? a bounce proves a gain in meters as is a h/ball or kick. many clubs use the bounce data as testiment to the skills of their past & present elite(its on the wall at west coast hq) also does a spoil recieve points anyone? if not why due to this i believe what i call 'impact players' are ripped off ie Stephen Hill the Jettas,Daveys,kerr,any tagger and i bet harley bennel will be one too.
agree?

 

[BOMBERBLITZ]

DT scoring is far too simple. It's like Snap compared to Poker. A real kid's game. I think, though, for that reason it will be more popular with the young'uns./quote]



Perfect quote... and poker requires a brain and some skill.

 

[thetank]

why do neither award points for a running bounce? a bounce proves a gain in meters as is a h/ball or kick.

Who says that SC doesn't award points for a running bounce?

SC scoring is derived from Champion Data's scoring system, which takes into account things other than just the standard DT stats. There's something like 35-40 inputs in CD's scoring system, they just don't reveal what they are because it's their trade secret.

Without a doubt the running bounce will have some sort of scoring impact, as it covers distance over the ground while retaining possession. It would be a nonsense if a player only scored 9 points after running all the way from full back and kicking a goal.

And - DT is for nuff-nuffs.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

I can't believe so many still play DT

 

[The Passenger]

i thought there was some sort of approximate scoring system in SC???

anyway. SC is far better. not even close.

i play both, but the research required for DT is far less.

did have to laugh at the thread in the DT board - "Us DTers cheers while two plus chip kick to kick in the backline while everyone is booing".... sounds good

also on both threads anyone that has mentioned popularity have all said that DT is more popular but there are 250k teams in DT and there are 350k teams in SC....

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

I suck at DT. Can not get above 2k.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

I suck at DT. Can not get above 2k.

You're not picking enough rubbish players that rack up the sideways kick because they don't have the confidence in hitting up a player down the ground.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

You're not picking enough rubbish players that rack up the sideways kick because they don't have the confidence in hitting up a player down the ground.

is there like a sideway, chip kicking stat site that may help me pick better players next year?

 

[Dreambomber]

Yeah because an overly complex scoring system with with no live updates is awesome. I love going to games with no idea how my players are going and trying to calculate their scores while factoring in 367 different possibilities.

Luck based gamed. SC players, bunch of cats.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Yeah because an overly complex scoring system with with no live updates is awesome. I love going to games with no idea how my players are going and trying to calculate their scores while factoring in 367 different possibilities.

Luck based gamed. SC players, bunch of cats.

Such a hard life you must live.

 

[vjknight]

lets compare.

6 teams
3 SC
3 DT

the 3 SC in 3 leagues - work, BF and a torrent league. all hard fought.

the 3 DT in 1 league - 1 team full of GC players just to watch them increase in value (2.7m still in the bank), 1 with only non victorian players (very hard to find many decent scorers), and one half decent team i will try to win with.

attitude to each says it all.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Yeah because an overly complex scoring system with with no live updates is awesome. I love going to games with no idea how my players are going and trying to calculate their scores while factoring in 367 different possibilities.

Luck based gamed. SC players, bunch of cats.

Or you could just, you know, enjoy the game and worry about SC points later.

Knowing about your points straight away makes zero difference to your score at the end of the round.

 

[Selective Retention]

You're not picking enough rubbish players that rack up the sideways kick because they don't have the confidence in hitting up a player down the ground.

This works both ways though.

SC requires you to pick the elite premium players because they score a lot better relatively under the SC scoring system than everyone else. Ergo everyone picks almost identical sides.

 

[kool kangas]

$50 k vs a car.

i'll take the $50k

Spot on Sultan........SHOW ME DA MONEYYYYY!!!!!!

 

[GoinApe]

i like them both really. Same principal, same game in general. This year is really the first i actually put any effort into my DT. Had a nice rnd 1 and sitting 180-ish, so gotta like it at the moment.

SC more accurately reflects the game in general, especially over the longer term. Though if i watch a game i am still surprised at some of the SC scores of some players. Still, i trust the scientists and university stat-heads ahead of my own judgment. It just a game anyhow. i coundnt give a frig if its 100% accurate or not in the end really

With SC you can really get burnt by players. With DT a player can play crap but still score ok. From that perspective SC is harder. yknow the ups and downs of SC are more violent.

I also found it easier to construct a DT side. Found it easier to squeeze more guns in with mid price backup. I like my DT better because of that.

With DT you do get the live updates. The scoring is pretty upfront too. Positives there

But they are both good games really with their own challenges. Decided to have a dip at DT just as backup if my SC team flopped (which it will probabaly do rnd 4,5,6...)

who cares which one is the best really

 

[Zim^zuM]

Today we are not even getting qtr by qtr supercoach scores ffs

 

[thedaz47]

is there like a sideway, chip kicking stat site that may help me pick better players next year?

ctrl+f, 'bowden'

 

[timskul]

Everyone seems to be stubborn about their game and what is superior, so Ill try and make this as reasonable as possible for you SCers, so yes I am a Dter. Ultimately, SC's strength-its scoring- is also its weakness.

In dream team, the scoring is black and white, SC has its grey areas, there is a rough idea of scores, some scores leave you dumbfounded, but that is what I hate. Ultimately, no amount of skill can prepare you for elements of the game which you cannot research. Thus there is no luck in the scoring of DT. Any score can be explained 100% without doubt, thus you can verify completely any score you think is too high or low yourself, and never left wondering 'what happened there?' This would be my main argument when comparing the two, because in SC you cannot trust that your research will be completely infallible, hence there is a much greater luck factor involved. You could argue that because of this DT is a more 'skilful' game, but I won't as both games require a huge amount of skill to win and saying so would be completely ignorant.

People argue that DT is easier coz you only have to pick players who chip it sideways. If this is so, then players must be very highly priced as a result of this, just as in SC the highly priced players are those that are judged to have had a large impact on the game. The same amount of skill is involved to pick players that are strong in relation to either sets of scoring systems. The principle is the same, effectively neither is harder or easier as both games have their set of factors to consider and you have to adjust to these factors to pick a great team.

The 3300 points a game idea is also bad, it does not take into account the quality of the game, surely a Collingwood v Hawthorn game should result in better scores all over than a Gold Coast v Brisbane game if the point of SC is to give a better indication of the player as a whole. A minor point, but a valid one nonetheless.

Excuse the essay, and excuse me for bringing some sense into the thread, if some are still so stubborn to discount the above arguments. Best of luck with either form of the game.

 

[Daniels]

What is DreamTeam?

 

[SJ]

The 3300 points a game idea is also bad, it does not take into account the quality of the game, surely a Collingwood v Hawthorn game should result in better scores all over than a Gold Coast v Brisbane game if the point of SC is to give a better indication of the player as a whole. A minor point, but a valid one nonetheless.

What do you think of the disadvantage a DreamTeamer faces with players from a match played in torrential rain in Brisbane compared to a DreamTeamer with more players from a match played on a flat track on a beautiful day in Melbourne?