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Well you certainly don't know much about farming.Australia is a very large island and I never said all farms have no trees but many have been cleared of their vegetation.
I didn't say it was a bad thing that Australia produced more than it consumed domestically.
Politicians talk about damming Northern Australian rivers due to the massive amount of rain each wet season.
Brazil is a very different country to Australia. The Amazon has been progressively cleared over several decades.
Well you certainly don't know much about farming.
Your initial statement was that agricultural land would be decreasing.
I've given you just a few examples both in Australia and overseas which disprove your statement.
I'm asking you to back that up with some facts.
You are confusing what technology can do to farming with politicians wanting to change how Northern Australia farmland is used because most of the land in question is already used for livestock grazing so it isn't entirely about increasing farmland.
The situation in Brazil is more about economic development and because it is a poorer country then they would probably use more traditional farming methods.
This is going nowhere.
You clearly have no real understanding of the issue.
I think its more a case of you wanting to believe your viewpoint to be right.
Do you really think someone like Joyce would be up to speed on technology when he doesn't even accept the need to deal with climate change.
The Conservatives have long dreamed of damming Northern Australian rivers, it is something the Nats consider an article of faith.
By damming rivers it would potentially enable greater irrigation that might enable land to be used to grow crops for the Asian market, but only time will tell if it can work because the Orr River scheme wasn't a huge success.
WTF are you on about talking about Joyce, climate change etc?
Again, you have nfi what you are talking about and just want to push an agenda.
I was curious about your initial statement, but now it is crystal clear what your angle is.
I think its more a case of you wanting to believe your viewpoint to be right.
Do you really think someone like Joyce would be up to speed on technology when he doesn't even accept the need to deal with climate change.
The Conservatives have long dreamed of damming Northern Australian rivers, it is something the Nats consider an article of faith.
By damming rivers it would potentially enable greater irrigation that might enable land to be used to grow crops for the Asian market, but only time will tell if it can work because the Orr River scheme wasn't a huge success.
oh jesus, if you must continue to politicise this...LOL as I wrote earlier I don't do talking points and my only agenda around here is the Essendon FC.
The Nats and the idea of damming rivers policy was last pushed by Joyce when he was leader.
So unless you can tell me what you think the agenda is, I suggest you stop being silly.
oh jesus, if you must continue to politicise this...
The current policy was released in August last year.
Barnaby got the arse in February.
The point I was trying to make, without being political, is that agriculture is actually increasing due to global demand for food.
You can be pedantic if you want, but if you don't think 1,000 acres of irrigated country is going to produce less than 1,000 acres of grazing land, well, I can't help you.
By the way, it is ORD, and Stage 2 is well under way.
No because everyone should automatically assume it. To think it means every person is just bizarre.
Well I didn't politicise it either, the Nationals and other conservatives have long supported the idea of damming Northern Australian rivers and there was a policy taken to the 2013 election when Joyce was leader which set out to create x number of dams, that is hardly a partisan statement and of course production is increasing with demand as it should but the point and I will respond to the above comment later, farmland use is often changing as technology changes, that can include being more productive with existing land or better aligning land with use.
You keep spouting technology and another poster has called you on this but...crickets
Mate, I'm a farmer. I don't need you to try and google school me in something I have been doing for 40 years.I said I would address that later, a simply google search produced a number of results which I will go though and find some good examples.
Mate, I'm a farmer. I don't need you to try and google school me in something I have been doing for 40 years.
no s**t sherlock.Over that 40 years there would have been many changes, just as they will be over the next 40 years.
no s**t sherlock.
You're all over this.
I've given you numerous example of how you are wrong.
But you're going to Doctor Google to bone up on the topic.
I'm done here.
Not reluctant. Have been busy with life stuff.Again, because Seeds seems reluctant to answer that claim, I call upon you to do so.
Excellent point - where was the survey? In country towns struggling to survive I'm sure they'd welcome people with open arms. Polling in a major city on one of the many days the public transport system failed in Melbourne or Sydney would no doubt elicit a different response.
People care more about amenity than words like 'high' or 'low' immigration which are neither defined nor substantiated.
The Indian Whyalla guy has big ambitions, I hope he succeeds.The problem with the current set up is all the capitals, naturally, are where all the ports are, more or less.
I'd actually like to see one of the state governments, doesn't matter which one or where, seriously consider just starting another city from scratch. Plan it out and try and future proof it as much as possible. Full renewables, fibre, laid out to make public transport simple and upgradeable, easy and direct access from the state's ports and key road transport corridors etc.
If you've never seen it, there is a documentary around somewhere regarding the establishment of New York City. They basically levelled Manhattan Island which was hilly and then gridded it.
Not reluctant. Have been busy with life stuff.
First i didnt say we had yet hit peak agriculture land. I said we soon will and we are clearly on that track.
Borlaug took evolution into his own hands, crossing thousands of strains of wheat and then selecting the offspring with dwarfed stalks, high yields, resistance to rust, and an insensitivity to day length. After several years of this “mind-warpingly tedious work,” Borlaug evolved strains of wheat (and then corn and rice) with many times the yield of their ancestors. By combining these strains with modern techniques of irrigation, fertilization, and crop management, Borlaug turned Mexico and then India, Pakistan, and other famine-prone countries into grain exporters almost overnight. The Green Revolution continues—it has been called “Africa’s best-kept secret”—driven by improvements in sorghum, millet, cassava, and tubers. Thanks to the Green Revolution, the world needs less than a third of the land it used to need to produce a given amount of food. Another way of stating the bounty is that between 1961 and 2009 the amount of land used to grow food increased by 12 percent, but the amount of food that was grown increased by 300 percent.
Some forest lamd is however already returning
"Now that farms have receded in some parts of the world, temperate forests have been bouncing back".
Norberg 2016. According to the UN FAO’s Global Forest Resources Assessment 2015, “Net forest area has increased in over 60 countries and territories, most of which are in the temperate and boreal zones.” http:// www.fao.org/ resources/ infographics/ infographics-details/ en/ c/ 325836/.
The environmental scientist Jesse Ausubel has estimated that the world has reached Peak Farmland: we may never again need as much as we use today. (Ausubel, Wernick, & Waggoner 2012.) from Pinker 2017 Enlightenment Now...
But any of those environmental damages created from immigration means there is less of it happening overseas and frankly we take better care of our environment then most countries overseas so people coming here probably improves the global situation.
We have no major water problems. Aren't all our dams pretty full. We can always build more and their is heaps of water in the north. Other countries have water problems. Australia doesn't.
You keep saying technology but haven't given any specific examples.