Sure thing cow VS saving trades

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Baxters has been great with some good advice for me, but in my first year Im still trying to fine tune the trading strategies, so am after a discussion on this topic... are trades the be all and end all... if you can get a decent team on the park, but dont have one of the sure thing cows on offer, do you let him go or get in on the action?

If you have a few good rookie cows already, do you simply HAVE TO get on another sure thing? Or are trades more important?

For example... If you have used zero trades to date and had a midfield of 7 good performers including Robinson and Beams... but dont have Rich... do you trade Anthony to Rich just to get in on the cash... or is the trade saved more important than the missed cash? Id love to see Rich come in, but the appeal of having 20 trades still and a good team on the park is also appealing...

Im just not experienced enough to see how it plays out in another 10 weeks for instance. When you want to 'finalise' your midfield to premiums... is having Beams and Robinson and Anthony going to stagger my likely timeframes for upgrading to premiums enough anyways if I do Beam and Robinson first? Am i going to see the timeframe for upgrading stretch into when Anthony will be coming online anyway if I just keep him and forgo Rich?

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Obviously the majority of this topic will regard the midfield, and to be honest I think getting on the 'sure things' is a good idea, as it provides a lot of versatility. I currently have two non-playing bench players in the midfield, and I consider them to be dead weight. There really isn't a lot of room to manouver with players who aren't playing, is there?

The midfield bench positions are where you want to be generating the most amount of money for your side. In the long run I think a rookie-to-rookie swap will benefit most sides.
 

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I think getting on the 'sure things' is a good idea, as it provides a lot of versatility.
I disagree

By using early trades, you are decreasing your versatility come the end of the season. In my opinion this loss of versatility outweighs the versatility you will gain by chucking in a Rich/Beams.
 

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I disagree

By using early trades, you are decreasing your versatility come the end of the season. In my opinion this loss of versatility outweighs the versatility you will gain by chucking in a Rich/Beams.
There needs to be a platform for that versatility though, St. KFC. If you aren't able to generate any cash out of your midfield, or if you are lacking in cover in the midfield, than it could be to the detriment of your side later on. It's a team by team proposition though. If you have playing cover, it's a waste. If not, then it's definitely a good option. Probably an oversimplification, but that's how I see it.
 

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the two trades i am considering now are ...

raines out

and

anthony out...

however i am completely puzzled as to what i should do???
 

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Look at the overall feel of your team and th number of trades it will take to upgrade non keepers in your team + LTI's. Do you have a few lower end guys that would become keepers? Does it look like you will have more appreciation in your other rookies and mid priced players then you first anticipated?
Unfortunately there is no universal answer as every team is different with different strength's and weakness's.
 

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Brazen, the questions you ask are the same questions in many coaches' heads, experienced or not.

I am in a seemingly very similar situation in that I am yet to use any trades, have a team I'm happy enough with but that I "could" improve by trading the injured Anthony to Robinson (or Beams/Zahara nxt wk).

I've been lucky enough to escape the injury/suspension issues thus far so part of me thinks "go for it". But the other part of me remembers my mantra for the season - "conserve trades!".

The oppurtunity cost of a rookie-to-rookie trade is dependant on your strategy. Are you going for a league win, how many keepers do you think you have etc?

I have 16 keepers max. More than likely less. Most teams aim for around the 14 mark. But lets say it's 16. I then have 6 to upgrade and I'm calculating I'll need 2 per upgrade, so that's 12 trades (maybe 2 won't be required per upgrade, but I doubt 16 will be true keepers either). I want to have at least 4 for the finals, so that leaves me with 4 for LTIs.

Therefore, I am personally hanging on to Raines and Anthony. I have enough cows now to do me (Rich, Ziebell, CrackWhore, Petrenko etc) and hopefully I'll be able to use Raines and Anthony for the 2nd bunch of upgrades round12ish. I'm not concerned with overall rank, I just want the honour (and $2k) that goes with winning my super competitive league.

You might have a different strategy and goals. But hopefully by looking into the mind of someone that is thinking about the same decisions as yourself you can gleam some knowledge.
 

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Yep I get that every team is different... Im sort of most interested in the last para of my OP... in an ideal upgrade strategy, you obviously cant do them all at once early on... so with a midfield with 2 decent cows, 1 performing mid-pricer and 4 performing keepers... is bringing in Rich just excessive loading early on when we might not be in a position to upgrade that third rookie cow until Anthony is back and playing anyway? Is that making sense? Im not sure how quick the upgrading options come on line during the season...

Theres a full compliment of 9 playing forwards and no injuries there, and a playing backline but no cover unless Broughton is named. So using a trade in an already strong midfield, when the backline is where more future uncertainty lies, doesnt seem ideal even though Rich is a sure thing...

EDIT: thanks for the reply above - posted before i saw that... good discussion points also
 

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In a similar situation. Have Raines and Anthony. Which i'd like to keep.

Also have Hurley, Petrenko in backline. So had Raines and Hurley on bench for round 2 and full backline played.

In midfield had Sidebottom and Anthony on the bench. Have Rich, Ziebell and Dangerfield playing in the middle. Full midfield played.

What i'd like to do is. If all my midfield and backline play this weekend i'll let them play and keep Raines and Anthony. Then look for the week after and see if Beames and Zaharakis are still named and downgrade Ziebell and Dangerfield to them after making cash from them. That's all dependent if they all get named of course.
 

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good thread, i think i have enuf cows atm, have anthony and raines and dont have rich... Would love rich but dont have enuf cash for a str8 swap with anthony...
How many rookies is ideal to have playing atm? I have 9 ( Beams, Robo, spencer, jacobs, petrenko, hill, brown, walker, ziebel)
Not to mention my only inj worries are raines and anthony so im going to hold onto my trades
 

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Baxters has been great with some good advice for me, but in my first year Im still trying to fine tune the trading strategies, so am after a discussion on this topic... are trades the be all and end all... if you can get a decent team on the park, but dont have one of the sure thing cows on offer, do you let him go or get in on the action?

If you have a few good rookie cows already, do you simply HAVE TO get on another sure thing? Or are trades more important?

For example... If you have used zero trades to date and had a midfield of 7 good performers including Robinson and Beams... but dont have Rich... do you trade Anthony to Rich just to get in on the cash... or is the trade saved more important than the missed cash? Id love to see Rich come in, but the appeal of having 20 trades still and a good team on the park is also appealing...

Im just not experienced enough to see how it plays out in another 10 weeks for instance. When you want to 'finalise' your midfield to premiums... is having Beams and Robinson and Anthony going to stagger my likely timeframes for upgrading to premiums enough anyways if I do Beam and Robinson first? Am i going to see the timeframe for upgrading stretch into when Anthony will be coming online anyway if I just keep him and forgo Rich?

Cheers :thumbsu:
If your team is strong and you have at least 1 backup bench churning over some points, then I think you should risk 1 trade and get Rich in.
All things are pointing to him being a long term keeper if needed, and possibly being the Palmer of 2008. Should mature at 300k+ (cant remember what Palmer finished at last year).
Every year there are 1 or 2 players that are strong scorers and play the majority of games, Rich is it this year.
Rich will be ripe for picking by rd 10-12, hold Anthony and you will be waiting much longer for the cookies.
 

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Cheers for all the comments - starting to get my head around the long term implications... realise now that Anthony will ALWAYS be 6 or so rounds behind Rich until late in the season... as when he comes back still have to wait for gradual price growth (duh)...

If your team is strong and you have at least 1 backup bench churning over some points, then I think you should risk 1 trade and get Rich in.
All things are pointing to him being a long term keeper if needed, and possibly being the Palmer of 2008. Should mature at 300k+ (cant remember what Palmer finished at last year).
Every year there are 1 or 2 players that are strong scorers and play the majority of games, Rich is it this year.
Rich will be ripe for picking by rd 10-12, hold Anthony and you will be waiting much longer for the cookies.
Yeah leaning towards doing the Anthony to Rich trade, but also thinking if trades happen, it should do it to sure up the backline... a popular pick missing in the team besides Rich is Houlihan.. so it could be Raines > Houlihan instead... thereby letting Hill drop to the bench as cover only...

hmmm... Anthony to Rich's cash growth in an already strong midfield; or Raines to Houlihan in the backline for cover + Houlihan cash growth (not as much as Rich but still good) + immediate points gain...
 

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6 premiums + Hill (Petrenko, Dawson)
3 premiums + Rich, Otten, Robinson (Ziebiel, Anthony)

I was thinking:

Hill ----> Cheney
Anthony ----> Joseph/Zakaharis/Beams

I don't really need to but don't want to miss the cash cows...whereas everyone will have the cashcows

What should I do?
 

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i have been thinking about this issue today and have decided to go with getting the sure thing cow or daniel rich. by going through my predicted amount of trades that i will need to upgrade my team, i am able (hopefully) to get an extra premium player which will help at the end of the season.
The thing that will be the trick though is getting rid of the cow at the same time to enable the maximum profit and the a decent amount of time for the gun recruit to do some real damage for your team.
 
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Baxters has been great with some good advice for me, but in my first year Im still trying to fine tune the trading strategies, so am after a discussion on this topic... are trades the be all and end all... if you can get a decent team on the park, but dont have one of the sure thing cows on offer, do you let him go or get in on the action?

If you have a few good rookie cows already, do you simply HAVE TO get on another sure thing? Or are trades more important?

For example... If you have used zero trades to date and had a midfield of 7 good performers including Robinson and Beams... but dont have Rich... do you trade Anthony to Rich just to get in on the cash... or is the trade saved more important than the missed cash? Id love to see Rich come in, but the appeal of having 20 trades still and a good team on the park is also appealing...

Im just not experienced enough to see how it plays out in another 10 weeks for instance. When you want to 'finalise' your midfield to premiums... is having Beams and Robinson and Anthony going to stagger my likely timeframes for upgrading to premiums enough anyways if I do Beam and Robinson first? Am i going to see the timeframe for upgrading stretch into when Anthony will be coming online anyway if I just keep him and forgo Rich?

Cheers :thumbsu:

We discuss this EXACT topic in the podcast this week.

In your situation, id definately trade Anthony to Rich/Otten.
 

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We discuss this EXACT topic in the podcast this week.

In your situation, id definately trade Anthony to Rich/Otten.
Cool cant wait... Did you see my most recent post... would you still do Anthony to Rich, if you could instead do Raines > Houlihan and sure up your backline and get an immediate points jump of the difference between Hill and Houlihan (Hill dropping to bench)??
 
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If you see Houlihan as a keeper for you then it might be worth doing that trade over the Rich one. Still pretty tough though. I'm not sure how much Rich will go up in the first week, but it's not completely unreasonable to do the Houlihan trade this week and bring in Rich next week, yes, even after his first price jump.
 
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I know it has been discussed adhoc boys but surely the following is a goer:

Hill to Cheney
Anthony to Rich

Thinking that Rich can easily hold down 7th midfield arrangement + plus offers additional cash flow producing flexibility.

Chene dog ripe to offload circa Round 7/8
 

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Ill def be trading Anthony this week, question is who do i bring in? Robbo this week or Zah/Beams next?

I think Beams would potentially be the best however how many games can he string together? Zah can score ridiculous while robbo probally has more security over the other 2.

ATM i have Rich - Otten - Anthony.
 

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6 premiums + Hill (Petrenko, Dawson)
3 premiums + Rich, Otten, Robinson (Ziebiel, Anthony)

I was thinking:

Hill ----> Cheney
Anthony ----> Joseph/Zakaharis/Beams

I don't really need to but don't want to miss the cash cows...whereas everyone will have the cashcows

What should I do?
The way I see it, you already have quite a few cash cows in Rich, Otten. Robinson, Ziebell and to a lesser extent Petrenko and Dawson; they will still make you money just not as much as the midfield cows you have. You also have the current luxury of all those players scoring points for you except Anthony, so to me it seems you're already in a pretty good position at the moment.
 

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Ill def be trading Anthony this week, question is who do i bring in? Robbo this week or Zah/Beams next?

I think Beams would potentially be the best however how many games can he string together? Zah can score ridiculous while robbo probally has more security over the other 2.

ATM i have Rich - Otten - Anthony.
In a similar situation to you AJ ... have Rich - Robinson - Anthony. Seriously considering trading Anthony for one of Otten/Zaharakis/Beams. In my case I'm leaning towards one of Zaha/Beams due to them being cheaper and also having another week to look at them. Your situation is probably harder a Robinson is the same price ... i'd be tempted to go Robinson but it is a tough call!
 

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If you see Houlihan as a keeper for you then it might be worth doing that trade over the Rich one. Still pretty tough though. I'm not sure how much Rich will go up in the first week, but it's not completely unreasonable to do the Houlihan trade this week and bring in Rich next week, yes, even after his first price jump.
Or skip Rich and pick up Beams or Zaharakis, they're both priced at a lower starting point and would not have had their first price increase.
 

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You could remember that it's impossible to get all the cash cows and just focus on getting enough into your side to allow you to do the upgrades you want to do. You have a very limited number of trades, and there's a fair chance you'll run out of them before you run out of cows.
 
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